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Simple questions from a person who voted for fpm and was aligned with it, but who doesn't care much anymore as fpm no longer represents my interests.
That said these questions are honest, unlike the hatemob out there from LFers and PSPers who ever hate fpm/aoun blindly whatever it did.
Now FPM promised and did a few things since 2005, in and out of power, so lets recap shall we:
-Fighting the system: In 2005 when Aoun returned, the promise was that we will deal with the corrupt current system, now in 2019 how was this achieved? because from what we can tell fpm is now part and parcel of the weird lebanese un-fixable system. It allied with everyone, hariri/hisb/owet/awme/amal/jumblat.. so after 14 years, 3 years of which aoun is president, how is fpm 'fighting the system' ? it isnt.
-Open dialogue and forum of thought: also in 2005 and for a few years later, fpm online and offline was brimming with potential from ppl with energy and new/diverging thoughts. all of that was clammed. this forum was taking over by tayyar.org which tried to shut it down, but the original owner of the site managed to pry it off after a big of drama and set it online again as 'unaffiliated with fpm' and it has been like this since then. Why shutdown a forum like this? Also, why is tayyar.org so partisan ? it never tried to be balanced in its coverage. Same for OTV, it opened after asking for ppl to buy shares then immediately turned into an christian version of unwatchable NBN.
-FPM the party and democracy: elections got delayed and delayed and bassil got put in power with a sham election, what type of example is that to set ?
-Bassil as new fpm leader: most people who supported aoun, didnt give out a blank cheque to blindly support bassil or any other person like roukouz. but now we are in a situation where bassil is a new leader/player in the lebanese scene that was brought down by a parachute almost. he speaks in the name of more than he represents. ppl voted for X and X gave Y the power to represent him.. not acceptable
-The presidency, this post means alot to alot of people, regardless how much you like or dislike aoun, this post is important. 3 years into the 3ahd of compromises the presidency did very little if nothing, delegating all political issue to bassil.. how the hell did things get to that point. the alliance with geagea should not have been handled the way it was for instance. it was left to rot. it took alot of effort and years to right a wrong by getting a christian who isnt a puppet into power, to then have it all f-cked up by wasting time while the economy was going down and deferring to bassil way more that he should have been allowed to handle politically
-Hisbullah issue: fpm agreed with the MOU that it wont backstab hisbullah but in return the hisb will discuss its arms. This promise was dropped and forgotten. fpm is now defacto allied with hisbullah blindly. this is not normal.
-Reform and economic issues: where is the call for a secular state we heard about from fpm previously? where are actionable moves for economic reforms? i dont know what is in bassil's bank account but his attitude towards everything he handled from the electricity to external affairs gives me the impression that he is personally soloing his moves. his actions and their consequences on us dont seem to concern him as much as his political ambition. Hariri was a failure in fixing the economy but what did fpm do better?
All of this didnt happen over night, but rather bit by bit over a relative long time of blind eyes, blind rhetoric and complacency
The more fpm was attacked by sectarians from the hariri side in the past, the more it actually became pro sectarian, it didnt resist this attack which started wrongfully
The more fpm tried to fix the issue with hisbullah, the more it got dragged into the mud with hisbullah where it now sits happily, tho this wasnt the plan originally
The more fpm got into this ruling system to fight corruption and bring reform, the more it forgot about these 2 topics and is content now at being the new Kataeb/Amal content at hiring people and getting contracts
The more fpm fought to return the presidency, the more the presidency doesnt actually do anything due to all the deferring and detachment that is happening
As for free thought and speech community, fpm is no longer an open forum, OTV, tayyar and fpm partisans arent as open as they used to be, only diehards remaining
I stand by my original assessment, the tayyar (as fpm wasnt registered then) in 2005 was different
There was alot of people wrongfully attacking it on this forum and outside, regardless of their intentions, fpm did not pass most of the tests
The only test it passed was providing some temporary stability with the compromise first with hisbullah, then geagea then hairri that lead to aoun getting elected and the 3ahd starting with a unity government. but the benefits of this ran out. they were temporary.
Im not giving fuel to fpm's blind official detractors, i am rather writing and asking this from my solo angle not theirs. Based on promises, events and chronology.
Looking back at the mirror and fighting demons has actually touched in black what this movement was all about
We are almost in 2020 now, fpm is in the government and has a president, yet we are financially and economically and politically and socially nowhere were fpm in 2005 originally wanted us to be
That said these questions are honest, unlike the hatemob out there from LFers and PSPers who ever hate fpm/aoun blindly whatever it did.
Now FPM promised and did a few things since 2005, in and out of power, so lets recap shall we:
-Fighting the system: In 2005 when Aoun returned, the promise was that we will deal with the corrupt current system, now in 2019 how was this achieved? because from what we can tell fpm is now part and parcel of the weird lebanese un-fixable system. It allied with everyone, hariri/hisb/owet/awme/amal/jumblat.. so after 14 years, 3 years of which aoun is president, how is fpm 'fighting the system' ? it isnt.
-Open dialogue and forum of thought: also in 2005 and for a few years later, fpm online and offline was brimming with potential from ppl with energy and new/diverging thoughts. all of that was clammed. this forum was taking over by tayyar.org which tried to shut it down, but the original owner of the site managed to pry it off after a big of drama and set it online again as 'unaffiliated with fpm' and it has been like this since then. Why shutdown a forum like this? Also, why is tayyar.org so partisan ? it never tried to be balanced in its coverage. Same for OTV, it opened after asking for ppl to buy shares then immediately turned into an christian version of unwatchable NBN.
-FPM the party and democracy: elections got delayed and delayed and bassil got put in power with a sham election, what type of example is that to set ?
-Bassil as new fpm leader: most people who supported aoun, didnt give out a blank cheque to blindly support bassil or any other person like roukouz. but now we are in a situation where bassil is a new leader/player in the lebanese scene that was brought down by a parachute almost. he speaks in the name of more than he represents. ppl voted for X and X gave Y the power to represent him.. not acceptable
-The presidency, this post means alot to alot of people, regardless how much you like or dislike aoun, this post is important. 3 years into the 3ahd of compromises the presidency did very little if nothing, delegating all political issue to bassil.. how the hell did things get to that point. the alliance with geagea should not have been handled the way it was for instance. it was left to rot. it took alot of effort and years to right a wrong by getting a christian who isnt a puppet into power, to then have it all f-cked up by wasting time while the economy was going down and deferring to bassil way more that he should have been allowed to handle politically
-Hisbullah issue: fpm agreed with the MOU that it wont backstab hisbullah but in return the hisb will discuss its arms. This promise was dropped and forgotten. fpm is now defacto allied with hisbullah blindly. this is not normal.
-Reform and economic issues: where is the call for a secular state we heard about from fpm previously? where are actionable moves for economic reforms? i dont know what is in bassil's bank account but his attitude towards everything he handled from the electricity to external affairs gives me the impression that he is personally soloing his moves. his actions and their consequences on us dont seem to concern him as much as his political ambition. Hariri was a failure in fixing the economy but what did fpm do better?
All of this didnt happen over night, but rather bit by bit over a relative long time of blind eyes, blind rhetoric and complacency
The more fpm was attacked by sectarians from the hariri side in the past, the more it actually became pro sectarian, it didnt resist this attack which started wrongfully
The more fpm tried to fix the issue with hisbullah, the more it got dragged into the mud with hisbullah where it now sits happily, tho this wasnt the plan originally
The more fpm got into this ruling system to fight corruption and bring reform, the more it forgot about these 2 topics and is content now at being the new Kataeb/Amal content at hiring people and getting contracts
The more fpm fought to return the presidency, the more the presidency doesnt actually do anything due to all the deferring and detachment that is happening
As for free thought and speech community, fpm is no longer an open forum, OTV, tayyar and fpm partisans arent as open as they used to be, only diehards remaining
I stand by my original assessment, the tayyar (as fpm wasnt registered then) in 2005 was different
There was alot of people wrongfully attacking it on this forum and outside, regardless of their intentions, fpm did not pass most of the tests
The only test it passed was providing some temporary stability with the compromise first with hisbullah, then geagea then hairri that lead to aoun getting elected and the 3ahd starting with a unity government. but the benefits of this ran out. they were temporary.
Im not giving fuel to fpm's blind official detractors, i am rather writing and asking this from my solo angle not theirs. Based on promises, events and chronology.
Looking back at the mirror and fighting demons has actually touched in black what this movement was all about
We are almost in 2020 now, fpm is in the government and has a president, yet we are financially and economically and politically and socially nowhere were fpm in 2005 originally wanted us to be
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