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France, Germany and Italy elections where is Europe going?

The elections in France and Germany will be won by:

  • The Right

    Votes: 19 61.3%
  • The Left

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • The Extreme Right

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • The Extreme Left

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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GrumpForTrump

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The Crusaders and the Christians conservatives won the elections
Mabrouk
With 24 percent the Christians Democrats are the largest party
Followed by socialism 20 percent
15 percent Liberal plus center
7 percent extreme conservatives
7 percent extreme right
The green did well also specially in Germany
Macron did well also

Aren't Christian Democrats anti Putin and Trump though?
 

GrumpForTrump

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She won 2014 with a bigger margin, Shu tele3la? ?

I have yet to see what's so extremist or far-Right about Marine Le Pen.
She doesn't like the hijab and illegal immigration. Big deal!

Our politicians would give her a run for her money. In some areas in Lebanon you can't even buy land if you don't belong to a certain sect.
 

Isabella

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I have yet to see what's so extremist or far-Right about Marine Le Pen.
She doesn't like the hijab and illegal immigration. Big deal!

Our politicians would give her a run for her money. In some areas in Lebanon you can't even buy land if you don't belong to a certain sect.

We discussed her policies at length in this thread if you are interested in an answer to your assertion feel free to read some of the 209 pages on here.
 

GrumpForTrump

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We discussed her policies at length in this thread if you are interested in an answer to your assertion feel free to read some of the 209 pages on here.

She sounds kosher to me, but then again I'm a proud Islamophobe. So maybe not the best judge?
 

Isabella

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She sounds kosher to me, but then again I'm a proud Islamophobe.

I'm not touching this! You yourself discussed how and why she holds extremist views and counts as far right in this thread so feigning ignorance won't work :p!

Also don't say that to her dad, I'm pretty sure he's allergic to everything kosher ?
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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I'm not touching this! You yourself discussed how and why she holds extremist views and counts as far right in this thread so feigning ignorance won't work :p!

Also don't say that to her dad, I'm pretty sure he's allergic to everything kosher ?

"Also don't say that to her dad, I'm pretty sure he's allergic to everything kosher?" - that would probably be true.

However, does it mean that children guarantied to follow their parents - not at all.
 
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Dynamite Joe

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I have yet to see what's so extremist or far-Right about Marine Le Pen.
She doesn't like the hijab and illegal immigration. Big deal!

Our politicians would give her a run for her money. In some areas in Lebanon you can't even buy land if you don't belong to a certain sect.

The many faces of manifesto... For starters, your standard bearer should not be Lebanon, though in a funny twist our system of governance is a remnant of French colonialists. Le Pen and her gang like all the extreme right parties are xenophobes, anti-immigration, anti-semitic, anti everything non traditional or white. They hold on to a romanticised puritan period of their history that is as outdated as their grandmother's and grandfather's fairytales. If they were to jump into a wormhole back in time, they would be marching with the nazis with swastikas tattooed to their forehead.
 

Thawra # Furoshima

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The many faces of manifesto... For starters, your standard bearer should not be Lebanon, though in a funny twist our system of governance is a remnant of French colonialists. Le Pen and her gang like all the extreme right parties are xenophobes, anti-immigration, anti-semitic, anti everything non traditional or white. They hold on to a romanticised puritan period of their history that is as outdated as their grandmother's and grandfather's fairytales. If they were to jump into a wormhole back in time, they would be marching with the nazis with swastikas tattooed to their forehead.
Sure and the lefties will march with criminal communists
 

Thawra # Furoshima

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Migrants: le ton monte entre Rome, Paris et Berlin
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Italie : la capitaine du Sea-Watch arrêtée à Lampedusa
Le Sea-Watch a accosté dans le port de Lampedusa dans la nuit du 28 au 29 juin forçant ainsi le blocus mis en place par le ministre de l'Intérieur italien, Matteo Salvini. Sa capitaine allemande de 31 ans Carola Rackete a été arrêtée.
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VIDÉOS - Au cœur de la controverse, l’arrestation de la capitaine du Sea-Watch, Carola Rackete, accusée d’avoir accosté de force à Lampedusa pour débarquer des migrants qu’elle avait secourus en Méditerranée.

À peine arrêtée après avoir débarqué de force dans le port de Lampedusa, en Sicile, la jeune capitaine du navire humanitaire Sea-Watch, Carola Rackete, s’est rapidement retrouvée au cœur d’un nouvel imbroglio diplomatique entre Paris et Berlin d’un côté, et Rome de l’autre. Accusée d’avoir tenté une manœuvre dangereuse contre une vedette des douanes qui voulait l’empêcher de débarquer des migrants secourus en Méditerranée, la jeune femme a été interpelée dans la nuit de vendredi à samedi, et placée aux arrêts domiciliaires (un contrôle judiciaire sous forme d’assignation à résidence). Elle sera présentée à un juge d’Agrigente (sud) en début de semaine. Carola Rackete est poursuivie pour avoir forcé le blocus des eaux italiennes imposé par le ministre de l’Intérieur Matteo Salvini (extrême droite) en vertu d’un décret-loi entré en vigueur mi-juin pour lutter contre les navires d’ONG qu’il accuse d’êtres complices des passeurs.
LIRE AUSSI - Migrants: la capitaine du Sea-Watch défend un acte de «désobéissance»
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«Ce n’était pas un acte de violence, seulement de désobéissance», s’est excusée Carola Rackete dans un entretien au Corriere della Sera de dimanche, «la situation était désespérée, mon objectif était seulement d’amener à terre des personnes épuisées», a ajouté la jeune Allemande de 31 ans, qui dit avoir craint que des migrants se suicident en se jetant à l’eau alors qu’ils ne savent pas nager.
» VOIR AUSSI - Italie: la capitaine du Sea-Watch arrêtée à Lampedusa

Migrants: le Sea-Watch force le blocus des eaux italiennes
Le navire humanitaire Sea-Watch se rapproche de l'île de Lampedusa après avoir forcé le blocus des eaux italiennes pour débarquer les 42 migrants bloqués à bord depuis 14 jours.
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Une stratégie «d’hystérisation»

Paris, qui a accepté d’accueillir 10 des 40 migrants du Sea-Watch, a jugé samedi, via son ministre de l’Intérieur Christophe Castaner, que la politique italienne de fermeture des ports était contraire au droit maritime. Le gouvernement français a surenchéri dimanche en dénonçant la «stratégie d’hystérisation» du ministre italien de l’Intérieur Matteo Salvini. «Je regrette évidemment que nous en arrivions à cette situation parce que le gouvernement italien fait malheureusement le choix d’une stratégie d’hystérisation sur des sujets qui sont évidemment très douloureux», a déclaré la porte-parole du gouvernement, Sibeth Ndiaye, sur la chaîne LCI. «Il est important de rappeler que la France comme l’Union européenne ont été solidaires de l’Italie ces dernières années», a développé la secrétaire d’État.
«Au pic de la crise, et depuis que cette crise des migrants en Méditerranée a lieu (...) l’Italie a bénéficié d’environ un milliard d’euros d’aide de l’Union européenne. Donc là où M. Salvini instrumentalise politiquement des trajectoires et des faits qui sont douloureux en expliquant que la France et l’Union européenne ne sont pas solidaires, moi je lui réponds par des chiffres», a-t-elle poursuivi. «L’instrumentalisation, quand on parle de vies humaines, de vies de gens qui ont traversé des conditions extrêmement difficiles, qui ont des parcours terribles, ce n’est pas tout à fait digne de Matteo Salvini», a insisté Sibeth Ndiaye.
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Une autre Allemande, Pia Klemp, risque vingt ans de prison

De son côté, la ministre allemande des Affaires étrangères, Heiko Maas, a demandé une «clarification rapide» des accusations pesant contre Carola Rackete, estimant que «sauver des vies est une obligation humanitaire» et que le sauvetage en mer ne devait pas «être criminalisé». D’autant qu’une autre citoyenne allemande, la capitaine Pia Klemp, qui a sauvé de la noyade plus d’un millier de migrants entre 2016 et 2017 à bord du Sea-Watch 3 et du Luventa, et dont le procès vient de débuter en Italie, risque jusqu’à vingt ans de prison pour les mêmes motifs. Dimanche, le président de la République allemande Frank-Walter Steinmeier a lui aussi exprimé des reproches à l’Italie, «un pays fondateur de l’Europe dont on s’attendrait qu’il gère une telle affaire autrement», a-t-il déclaré sur la ZDF. «Au président allemand, nous demandons courtoisement de s’occuper de ce qui se passe en Allemagne et, si possible, d’inviter ses concitoyens à éviter d’enfreindre les lois italiennes», a répliqué sèchement Matteo Salvini.
Plusieurs pétitions internationales et une collecte de fonds

«Il y a une règle en droit maritime qui dit qu’on doit pouvoir déposer des migrants dans le port maritime le plus proche et le plus sûr». «Il faut que l’Italie respecte les normes internationales en la matière (...) Et évidemment l’Union européenne doit être capable de répondre en termes de solidarité à l’Italie», a souligné dimanche Sibeth Ndiaye. Sur le ton ironique dont il est coutumier, Matteo Salvini n’a pas tardé à répliquer. «Puisque l’Élysée a déclaré que ‘tous les ports étaient ouverts’, nous indiquerons Marseille et la Corse (sud de la France) comme destinations», a-t-il déclaré dimanche. Dans une énième banderille adressée à Paris depuis son arrivée au pouvoir il y a un an, il avait martelé la veille que l’Italie ne prenait «pas de leçons de qui que ce soit et de la France en particulier». «Paris a fermé Schengen, a été au premier rang pour bombarder la Libye, a laissé les immigrants dans les forêts italiennes», a-t-il dénoncé.
» LIRE AUSSI - Migrants: Salvini veut forcer l’UE à réagir
Qualifiant de «criminel» le comportement de la capitaine du Sea-Watch, celui qui est aussi vice-Premier ministre et chef de la Ligue a affirmé que, par sa manœuvre, la jeune femme a «tenté d’écraser contre le quai du port de Lampedusa un patrouilleur des douanes, avec l’équipage à bord, mettant en danger la vie des agents». Il a aussi réfuté «l’état de nécessité» invoqué par la capitaine du Sea-Watch pour justifier sa manœuvre. «Mais si aucun des migrants à bord n’avait de problèmes de santé, de quelle nécessité parlait-elle?», a-t-il écrit sur Facebook.
Outre la controverse, l’arrestation de Carola Rackete a aussi généré un vaste élan de solidarité en Europe, sous forme de plusieurs pétitions internationales signées par des dizaines de milliers de personnes. Deux collectes de fonds ont en outre déjà atteint un total de plus d’un million d’euros.
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Thawra # Furoshima

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Key states push Timmermans for commission president

Commission president Juncker, Italy's premier Conte, EU council president Tusk and German chancellor Merkel at the G20 summit: proposal in the making (Photo: Council of the European Union)
By ESZTER ZALAN

BRUSSELS, 30. JUN, 19:31
Commission vice-president and Dutch socialist lead candidate Frans Timmermans emerged over the weekend as the main contender for the EU commission presidency, as EU leaders gathered for a summit in Brussels on Sunday evening (30 June) to choose the bloc's new leadership.
However, Timmermans is facing considerable opposition from EU leaders belonging to the largest European political alliance, the centre-right European People's Party (EPP) plus some central European countries.


Dutch commissioner and vice president of EU Commissioner, Frans Timmermans - will he get his dream job on Sunday night? (Photo: Council of the European Union)
EU Council chief Donald Tusk informed the European parliament's group leaders on Sunday that he would "test" Timmermans' name with the 28 EU leaders.

At the marathon meeting, which many were predicting would go late into the night, leaders will try to agree on key top jobs, including the next presidents of the EU commission and EU council and the EU's foreign affairs chief.

Tusk told key lawmakers that four countries, namely Germany, Spain, France and the Netherlands proposed handing the commission presidency to Timmermans, and give Tusk's own current EU council job to a liberal, while the parliament presidency would be handed to Manfred Weber, who ran as the EPP's lead candidate for the commission.

The proposal was negotiated over the weekend in Osaka, Japan where key EU leaders participated in the G20 summit, and inspired by Merkel - whose Social Democratic coalition partners are tanking in the polls in Germany.

The EPP emerged bruised but still the largest party after the European elections last May, while the Socialists & Democrats came in second.

Coalition talks are ongoing in the parliament between the two, along with the liberals and the greens, but they have been unable to come up with a candidate for the commission job.

Tusk argued to the parliamentary group leaders that the leaders of Germany, France and Spain come from the three largest European political party families, which puts considerable "weight behind it", according to a source.

However, Timmermans is fiercely opposed the Visegrad Four, an alliance of central European countries, and particularly Poland and Hungary - which clashed with Timmermans repeatedly after he criticised them heavily for their breaches on rule of law, and backsliding on democratic freedoms in the last two years.

Support for Timmermans is also "not a done deal" within the EPP, which ultimately won the election and adamantly claims its right to the EU commission top position under the 'Spitzenkandidat' process over the past month.

Arriving at the summit, Irish prime minister Leo Varadkar said that there was "a lot of opposition to the proposal that was made in Osaka from the EPP's point of view".

"The vast majority of prime ministers don't believe we should give up the commission presidency without a fight," he told reporters.

A source said EPP president Joseph Daul gave his blessing to the proposal, and Weber himself was also involved in the talks. However, the EPP group in the parliament, which is headed by Weber, is not fully behind the Merkel-inspired plan.

The parliament will need to vote on the commission president nominated by the EU leaders.

Visegrad 4 resistance
The fiercest resistance to Timmermans' nomination on Sunday night by EU leaders came from the Visegrad countries (V4) of the Czech Republic, Slovakia Hungary and Poland. They argued Timmermans will divide and not unite Europe.

Arriving at the EU summit, Czech prime minister Andrej Babis said, "we need to find someone that unites us, not separate us", adding that "I believe that Frans Timmermans would not be the ideal person in our objective to agree. We are flexible, we must negotiate".

"Timmermans is not the right one to unite Europe. In the past we had the feeling he has not been too positive to our region, we need some geographical balance and I am also asking, where are the women?," he said referring to the fact that previously Tusk pledged to put two women in EU top jobs for gender balance.

The commission presidency nomination is decided by qualified majority in the European Council, which thus requires the support of 21 member states.

The Visegrad Four do not form a "blocking minority", but traditionally EU leaders have been keen to reach the widest possible compromise and not to upset any EU region.

Hungary's prime minister Viktor Orban wrote a letter to Daul calling the possibility of Timmermans' nomination a "historic mistake". Tusk held a meeting with Orban, among other leaders, ahead of Sunday's EU summit.
 

Thawra # Furoshima

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EU leaders meeting in Brussels divided over who should get bloc's top jobs


Date created : 01/07/2019 - 05:48
Latest update : 01/07/2019 - 07:47

Geoffroy Van Der Hasselt, POOL, AFP | President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker (L) and Luxembourg's Prime Minister Xavier Bettel (C) attend a working dinner during a European Council Summit in Brussels, on June 30, 2019.
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European leaders worked through a long night of furious debate Monday as a bid to find compromise on Brussels' top jobs ran into stiff opposition.

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France's President Emmanuel Macron and Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel came to Brussels after developing a plan on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Osaka, Japan.

Under the "Sushi deal", the 28 EU leaders would nominate Dutch social democrat Frans Timmermans as president of the European Commission, rather than his conservative rival German MEP Manfred Weber.

Weber would instead be put forward for election as speaker of the European Parliament, while a liberal candidate would become president of the EU Council of national leaders.

But, when Merkel put this to fellow centre-right leaders in the European People's Party (EPP), several rebelled, and the main summit was delayed as heads of government shuttled between side meetings until dawn broke.

The leaders began a working dinner almost three hours late, only for the summit to be suspended an hour later to allow host EU Council president Donald Tusk to consult leaders individually.

Tusk's office tweeted the summit would resume "once bilaterals completed", but six hours later they were still underway, with the former Polish premier trying to get conservatives back on board.

Before the summit, but after the leaders from the centre-right group met, Croatian Prime Minister Andrej Plenkovic warned: "There is no support for what circulated in media today."

Irish premier Leo Varadkar was also pessimistic.

"From the EPP point of view, the vast majority of EPP prime ministers don't believe that we should give up the presidency of the Commission quite so easily without a fight," he said.


FRANCE 24’s Keating: ‘Likely another summit will be called’
'Poorly prepared'

A French source told AFP the breakdown in communication between Merkel and her fellow centre-right leaders had not been anticipated.

"This summit was very poorly prepared," said one European diplomat, annoyed by the lack of consultation before the marathon session.

For a nominee to go forward, he or she must secure the backing of 21 of the 28 EU leaders, representing 65 percent of the bloc's population.

Timmermans, the outgoing vice-president of the Commission, spearheaded EU efforts to impose its vision of the rule of law on authoritarian-leaning eastern members and is firmly opposed by Hungary and Poland.

But sources said Merkel and Macron were trying to coral the eastern countries around to his candidacy which, if approved, could face a vote in the European Parliament on Wednesday.

Macron arrived at the summit in an upbeat mood, determined to push on with efforts to agree a power-sharing package, adding that the top jobs should be shared by men and women equally.

The 28 leaders are aiming to agree candidates for president of the European Commission, president of their own Council and a foreign policy chief.

"The way things are presented, they will not be very simple consultations, to put it mildly," Merkel, the bloc's most influential leader, said as she arrived.

Macron, however, reiterated the names of Timmermans, Danish liberal Margrethe Vestager and French conservative Michel Barnier.

He admitted he had been "hostile" to some candidates, implying Weber.

Merkel had discussed a four-person package at Saturday's G20 summit with Macron and prime ministers Pedro Sanchez of Spain and the Netherlands' Mark Rutte.

Historical mistake

As vice-president of the Commission for the past five years, Timmermans has made enemies in the east of the EU.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, in a letter to EPP leader Joseph Daul, said Timmermans would be a "serious or even historical mistake".

Polish Premier Mateusz Morawiecki said: "Frans Timmermans is a candidate who deeply divides Europe and he certainly doesn't understand Central Europe."

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May is attending her last EU summit. A spokesman said she would play a "constructive role" and would not abstain from any vote.

The EPP came out on top in European parliamentary elections in May, although with a historically low share of the vote and little-known Weber as its lead candidate.

(AFP)
 
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