France - terrorist attacks [Priest killed in Rouen church attack]

HannaTheCrusader

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Dutch Far-Right leader Geert Wilders wants to rid Europe of Islam
The chief of the Freedom Party wants to rid Europe and has accused Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte and Angela Merkel of being ‘weak’ and ‘cowards’ …
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Wilders is wrong. Rutte and Merkel are not “weak”. They are complicit.
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A Dutch far-right leader Geert Wilders has said Muslims should be banned from crossing European Union borders in a bid to rid the continent of Islam.

Geerts Wilders, leader of the Freedom Party, made the comments in the wake of the latest attack in Germany in which a Syrian migrant blew himself in Ansbach in the name of ISIS, injuring 15.

He accused the Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte and German chancellor Angela Merkel of opening to door to terrorists by not controlling immigration over EU borders.

Marine Le Pen accurately describes the mood: “They kill our children, murder our policemen and slaughter our priests. Wake up!”#Normandy
 

nonsense

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Since you are going on a run with all of this, I will give some more reading material about the author and host.

Walid Shoebat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Walid Shoebat (Arabic: وليد شعيبات‎‎) is a Palestinian American, born in the West Bank to an American mother, who converted to Christianity from Islam.[1][2] Shoebat has claimed that he used to be a Palestinian Liberation Organization terrorist in a CNN television interview.[2] He is a self-proclaimed expert on the dangers of Islam[2] and is also a strong supporter of the State of Israel.[1] Shoebat has also claimed that he firebombed the Israeli bank Bank Leumi.[2] However, after thoroughly investigating his claim, reporters and officials have found no evidence of any attack on the bank between 1977 and 1979, the period in which Shoebat claims to have carried out the attack.[3]

Shoebat has been introduced as a terrorism expert on several television programs, including appearances on CNN and its sister network HLN in 2006 and 2007.[2]

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Early life
According to the biography on his official website, Shoebat was born in Bethlehem, the grandson of the Mukhtar of Beit Sahour, whom Shoebat describes as an associate of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni. Shoebat said that he joined the Palestine Liberation Organization in his youth, and also says he was involved in an attack against an Israeli bank. There was no evidence for Shoebat's claims when investigated by journalists.[2]

According to Shoebat, upon his release, he continued his anti-Israeli activism until going to the United States, where he became involved with the Arab Student Organization at Loop College in Chicago.[citation needed] Shortly afterwards Shoebat worked as a software engineer and became a US citizen. Shoebat says he converted to Christianity in 1993.[1][2]

Personal views
After the September 11 attacks in 2001, Shoebat claims that he became an active advocate against Islamism and a strong supporter of the State of Israel.[1] Shoebat is the founder of the Walid Shoebat Foundation, an organization that claims to "fight for the Jewish people".[1] He is sometimes paid for his appearances and solicits donations for the foundation.[1] He says he formed the foundation to educate Americans as to why the US should support Israel.[1] Shoebat has said that he believes "in a Greater Israel that includes Judea and Samaria, and by this I mean a Jewish state".[1] He regards the Gaza Strip as Jewish by right and believes Israel should retake the territory saying, "If a Jew has no right to Gaza, then he has no right to Jaffa or Haifa either."[1] He advocates that Israel deport anyone who denies its right to exist, "even if they were born there".[1]

Shoebat gives lectures to local police departments regarding his belief that "most Muslims seek to impose Sharia in the United States. To prevent this, he said in an interview, he warns officers that 'you need to look at the entire pool of Muslims in a community.'"[4] According to The Washington Post, "When Shoebat spoke to the first annual South Dakota Fusion Center Conference in Sioux Falls ... he told them to monitor Muslim student groups and local mosques and, if possible, tap their phones. 'You can find out a lot of information that way,' he said."[4]

Shoebat argues that parallels exist between radical Islam and Nazism. He says, "Secular dogma like Nazism is less dangerous than Islamofascism that we see today ... because Islamofascism has a religious twist to it; it says 'God the Almighty ordered you to do this' ... It is trying to grow itself in fifty-five Muslim states. So potentially, you could have a success rate of several Nazi Germanys, if these people get their way."[5]

Criticism
Lack of evidence supporting autobiographical account
Shoebat stated that he threw a bomb at Bank Leumi, an Israeli bank, in Bethlehem.[1] A 2008 Jerusalem Post article raised questions regarding the authenticity of Shoebat's account, and reported that Bank Leumi had no record of an attack on its Bethlehem branch between 1977 and 1979.[1] In addition, Shoebat's uncle also denied that such an attack took place.[1] Such an incident was also not reported by Israeli news outlets according to Omar Sacirbey's 2010 Washington Post article.[6] The Jerusalem Post article reported a contradiction in Shoebat's response to the question whether word of the bombing made the news at the time.[1] He replied, "I don't know. I didn't read the papers because I was in hiding for the next three days."[1] However, according to the same article, he had told Britain's Sunday Telegraph in 2004 that "I was terribly relieved when I heard on the news later that evening that no one had been hurt or killed by my bomb."[1] During his telephone interview, Shoebat was unable to recall the date or time of year of the attack.[1] He told the Sunday Telegraph in 2004 that he was pressured by teachers to adopt an extreme Islamic philosophy.[1] His uncle, who still lives in Beit Sahour, said religion did not play a major role in Walid's education, which he described as ideologically mild, and that there was no attack on Bank Leumi.[1]

On April 9, 2008, Shoebat responded to the earlier Jerusalem Post's report on that paper's op-ed page. He wrote that the Jerusalem Post had been duped. According to him, the sources who disputed his own account of his upbringing (including his relatives) were themselves involved in terrorism. He said they want to see him discredited, probably because of his conversion to Christianity. He also states that reputable witnesses who could confirm the bombing operation of Bank Leumi were not interviewed.[7] He also posted a response on his website.[citation needed]

On July 13, 2011, CNN's Anderson Cooper 360° reported an investigative piece into Walid Shoebat's claim to authority based on being a former terrorist. The report found that according to Israeli government officials, the bank that Walid Shoebat claimed to have attacked, and his own relatives, no record of his supposed terrorist history existed. Another of Shoebat's claims, that of a two-week term in an Israeli jail, was also unsubstantiated, with Israel having no record he was ever jailed. His cousin, interviewed in the report, stated that he had never known Shoebat to have ties to any movement, and that his claims of being a former terrorist were "for his own personal reasons". According to CNN, their reporters in the United States, Israel and the Palestinian territories found no evidence to support Shoebat's claims and "neither Shoebat nor his business partner provided any proof of Shoebat's involvement in terrorism".[2]

Regarding CNN's inability to confirm his jail time, Shoebat wrote "Even if Mr. Griffin did check prison records, he was searching the wrong name. Had CNN examined our records that were offered to them, it will prove beyond doubt that Mr. Griffin made an error. When Mr. Shoebat was arrested he turned in his U.S. passport and not his birth certificate or I.D. card. His U.S. passport had a different last name."[8]

Omar Sacirbey's 2010 Washington Post article reports that Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American–Islamic Relations, has questioned Shoebat's motives, saying that " Ergun Caner, Shoebat, and Kamal Saleem - along with others like them - belong to an 'industry' that is often perpetuated by fundamentalist Christians" and that people are doing this "to make money or get converts or to get some personal benefit".[6] The article also reports that skeptics have questioned how Shoebat and others have been able to retain US citizenship if their stories of terrorist activities are true.[6]

Charitable organization status
When the Post asked Shoebat whether the Walid Shoebat Foundation is a registered charity, he said that it was registered in Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania Attorney General's Charitable Trusts and Organizations Section said it had no record of such a charity. When asked again, Shoebat said it was registered under a different name, but that he was not aware of the Foundation's registered name, nor any other details, which were known only to his manager. Dr. Joel Fishman of the Allegheny County Law Library in Pennsylvania expressed doubts about Walid Shoebat Foundation's donation process. He noted that if the money was being given to a registered charity, the charity would have to make annual reports to the state and federal government.[1]

Personal life
Shoebat is Catholic.[9] He is the father of author Theodore Shoebat, who has self-identified as a "proud fascist".[10][11][12][13]
 

HannaTheCrusader

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I don't want to cry, I want to fight! How many dead before we understand that we are at war, in a world war. Religion is a pretext: through the denaturation of Islam, it is the power that they're looking for! We are facing a new totalitarianism.
In the face of these terrorist crimes, prison is the only solution: the electronic bracelet is a joke! We got in the penal code everything that we need to fight, we do not need new laws. The book iv of the criminal code must be applied: it allows to punish of 30 years in prison the complicity with the enemy. It is necessary that the judges themselves understand that we are in a situation of war and are extremely severe.
We must also impose an administrative permission places of worship, an administrative control of those who preach, and to make mandatory the preaching in French. We need to ban foreign funding and dissolve the salafis associations.
We need to strengthen and reorganize the pole anti terrorist. There are 5 channels of command, it's stupid.
It is also necessary that the media reflect in their role and do not give to the terrorists a crate of resonance immense because that's what they're looking for.
 

Venom

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I don't want to cry, I want to fight! How many dead before we understand that we are at war, in a world war. Religion is a pretext: through the denaturation of Islam, it is the power that they're looking for! We are facing a new totalitarianism.
In the face of these terrorist crimes, prison is the only solution: the electronic bracelet is a joke! We got in the penal code everything that we need to fight, we do not need new laws. The book iv of the criminal code must be applied: it allows to punish of 30 years in prison the complicity with the enemy. It is necessary that the judges themselves understand that we are in a situation of war and are extremely severe.
We must also impose an administrative permission places of worship, an administrative control of those who preach, and to make mandatory the preaching in French. We need to ban foreign funding and dissolve the salafis associations.
We need to strengthen and reorganize the pole anti terrorist. There are 5 channels of command, it's stupid.
It is also necessary that the media reflect in their role and do not give to the terrorists a crate of resonance immense because that's what they're looking for.

The war never ended...

 

HmsBThn

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The second terrorist identified.
He is a French convert.
Abdel malik nabil petitjean.
 

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nonsense

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The war never ended...

Much love to you Venom. But this video is false, fabricated propaganda material, mixing truth and lies.
Its description is below in blue, and I've already shared the detailed debunking of this at:
50 dead in Orlando nightclub terrorism attack, state of emergency declared | Page 28 | The Orange Room - Lebanon's number one discussion forums

Published on Oct 19, 2014
Historical facts and Comparisons: How many times Muslims invaded Europe vs. Europeans invaded Muslim countries.
Islamics Launched their Crusades in 630 A.D. Western Crusades started in 1095 A.D. to Stop Muslim Invasion. Crusades were a defensive action against the forcible expansion of Islam into territories that had been part of Christendom for centuries.
The Crusades were started by the Muslims in the year 630 A.D. when Muhammad invaded and conquered Mecca. Later on, Muslims invaded Syria, Iraq, Jerusalem, Iran, Egypt, Africa, Spain, Italy, France, etc. The Western Crusades started around 1095 to try to stop the Islamic aggressive invasions. Islamic Crusades continued even after the Western Crusade. Islam has killed about 270 million people: 120 million Africans*, 60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists, etc.
http://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/02...
 

HannaTheCrusader

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PICTURED - Priest-killers were partners in terror: ISIS releases first photograph of the two butchers who slaughtered French Father at the altar
  • ISIS has released footage of attackers who killed a French priest in church
  • In the new video they pledge allegiance to the terror group and its leader
  • Abdel Malik and Adel Kermiche cut the throat of Father Jacques Hamel
  • Came as he was leading mass at a church in Saint-Etienne du Rouvray
By JENNIFER NEWTON and FIDELMA COOK IN FRANCE FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 18:03 GMT, 27 July 2016 | UPDATED: 09:38 GMT, 28 July 2016




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ISIS has released a picture purporting the show the two terrorists who slaughtered a French priest at the altar as he led mass.

Abdel Malik, along with Adel Kermiche cut the throat of Father Jacques Hamel at a church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray in Normandy yesterday.

The pair forced a man in the congregation to video the brutal killing of the 85-year-old on a phone before he was knifed in the neck, arms and back next to the altar.

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ISIS has released a picture of video of Abdel Malik and Adel Kermiche, the two terrorists who slaughtered a French priest at a church in Normandy yesterday

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The video, posted on the ISIS news agency Amaq, shows two young men with an ISIS banner, as one of them recites in Arabic in a strong non-native accent a traditional pledge of allegiance to the group's head

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The pair forced a man in the congregation to video the brutal killing of the 85-year-old on a phone before he was knifed in the neck, arms and back next to the altar

ISIS release first photograph of Normandy church attackers who slaughtered a French priest | Daily Mail Online
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Marion Le Pen announced on Twitter she would join the French Army reserve after a spate of Islamic State-inspired terror attacks in Europe.


The 26-year-old also blasted the “ineffective” French army as the country reels from the murder of 84-year-old Father Jacques Hamel by two teenagers who said they were ISIS “soldiers”.

The National Front MP Tweeted: “Due to the threat facing France, I have decided
 

Venom

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Much love to you Venom. But this video is false, fabricated propaganda material, mixing truth and lies.
Its description is below in blue, and I've already shared the detailed debunking of this at:
50 dead in Orlando nightclub terrorism attack, state of emergency declared | Page 28 | The Orange Room - Lebanon's number one discussion forums

Published on Oct 19, 2014
Historical facts and Comparisons: How many times Muslims invaded Europe vs. Europeans invaded Muslim countries.
Islamics Launched their Crusades in 630 A.D. Western Crusades started in 1095 A.D. to Stop Muslim Invasion. Crusades were a defensive action against the forcible expansion of Islam into territories that had been part of Christendom for centuries.
The Crusades were started by the Muslims in the year 630 A.D. when Muhammad invaded and conquered Mecca. Later on, Muslims invaded Syria, Iraq, Jerusalem, Iran, Egypt, Africa, Spain, Italy, France, etc. The Western Crusades started around 1095 to try to stop the Islamic aggressive invasions. Islamic Crusades continued even after the Western Crusade. Islam has killed about 270 million people: 120 million Africans*, 60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists, etc.
http://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/02...

I don't know how many killed....but history tells us that the rise of Islam was on the blood of the people living in the Middle East and North Africa.....btw what took them to Spain???
Thank God Spain is liberated otherwise it would have been a failed state...
 

HmsBThn

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I don't know how many killed....but history tells us that the rise of Islam was on the blood of the people living in the Middle East and North Africa.....btw what took them to Spain???
Thank God Spain is liberated otherwise it would have been a failed state...

instead of Paela Tapas and tinto, it would have been Kabsa abayas and shaya.
 

HmsBThn

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PICTURED - Priest-killers were partners in terror: ISIS releases first photograph of the two butchers who slaughtered French Father at the altar
  • ISIS has released footage of attackers who killed a French priest in church
  • In the new video they pledge allegiance to the terror group and its leader
  • Abdel Malik and Adel Kermiche cut the throat of Father Jacques Hamel
  • Came as he was leading mass at a church in Saint-Etienne du Rouvray
By JENNIFER NEWTON and FIDELMA COOK IN FRANCE FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 18:03 GMT, 27 July 2016 | UPDATED: 09:38 GMT, 28 July 2016




4.8kshares
553

View comments



ISIS has released a picture purporting the show the two terrorists who slaughtered a French priest at the altar as he led mass.

Abdel Malik, along with Adel Kermiche cut the throat of Father Jacques Hamel at a church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray in Normandy yesterday.

The pair forced a man in the congregation to video the brutal killing of the 85-year-old on a phone before he was knifed in the neck, arms and back next to the altar.

Scroll down for video

36A552B300000578-3711329-ISIS_has_released_a_picture_of_video_of_Abdel_Malik_and_Adel_Ker-m-35_1469643289495.jpg



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ISIS has released a picture of video of Abdel Malik and Adel Kermiche, the two terrorists who slaughtered a French priest at a church in Normandy yesterday

36A54FB300000578-3711329-image-a-42_1469644127787.jpg



+11
The video, posted on the ISIS news agency Amaq, shows two young men with an ISIS banner, as one of them recites in Arabic in a strong non-native accent a traditional pledge of allegiance to the group's head

36A54FA700000578-3711329-image-a-43_1469644130817.jpg



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The pair forced a man in the congregation to video the brutal killing of the 85-year-old on a phone before he was knifed in the neck, arms and back next to the altar

ISIS release first photograph of Normandy church attackers who slaughtered a French priest | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

What does he have on his head? :) looks like a table nap or a drape.

France decided it will not publish the names and the pictures of the terrorists anymore :p Yep that will certainly stop them
 

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Here's a special one, perhaps a little dose to open the hearts and minds...and eyes.
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July 29, 2016
How to Understand the Beheading of a French Priest
by Robert Fisk

Faced with the murder and beheading of seven of his monks by Islamists 20 years ago, the Archbishop of Algiers went one better than the Archbishop of Rouen this week. He didn’t talk about the slaughter of an elderly priest as the “unnameable”. He saw the road of Calvary. In fear of his own life amid a ferocious conflict, Monseigneur Henri Teissier, 67 years old and a French professor of Arabic, responded by celebrating mass for six nuns and monks all those years ago by reading from St Matthews, Chapter 25, verse 13: “Watch, therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Man cometh.”

The tiny congregation had originally gathered that day in 1996 to remember one of France’s first religious martyrs in Algiers, Vicomte Charles de Foucauld, the soldier-turned-priest who was assassinated by an Islamist in Tamanrasset in 1916; his murder set an awful precedent for the killing of all French priests by those who claimed they were motivated by Islam. Surely Father Jacques Hamel would have known of him. The Vicomte was killed only 14 years before he was born.

But when Teissier talked to me of the seven monks taken from their monastery in the beautiful hills above Tibherine, his words might have been uttered about the killers of 86-year-old Father Hamel. “They will kill a boy of two or an old man of 85 [sic]. I think they are out of their consciences. They work under their understanding of Islamic law – ‘We have to kill the enemies of the Lord’ – and it is finished. We think not only of our life but of the lives of all the people in Algeria…” A generous man, Teissier.

The Algerian civil war – between a brutal Islamist army and the equally savage Algerian army which had fatally cancelled elections which Islamists would have won in 1992 – had by 1996 already reached Syrian proportions: babies with their throats cut, women massacred in front of their husbands, men routinely decapitated. The police tortured their prisoners by pumping water into their stomachs until their victims exploded. It was inevitable that the killers from the GIA, the Islamic Armed Group, would turn upon all foreigners – and that also meant priests and bishops.

The monks of Tibherine, whose own Golgotha would be made into a poignant and superb film, Of Gods and Men, were taken from their monastery where they had looked after and given medical aid not only to the local Algerian Muslim villagers, but to the Islamist fighters themselves. That may have been their undoing. More on that later.

But first, back to Teissier and his appalling, magnificent reflections upon their deaths. “It is true that we found only their heads,” he said quietly on that hot Algiers afternoon, the sound of police sirens echoing over the city. “Three of their heads were hanging from a tree near a petrol station. The other four heads were lying on the grass beneath. But it is marvellous that the families of those monks maintained their friendship for us and for all Algerians. They had visited the monastery. They had been able to accept the loss of their sons. They knew it was not all Algerians who did this thing.

Could such words be repeated today, I wonder, to the racists and right-wingers who demand the punishment of all Muslims for the crimes of a few? At 87, Teissier, who took Algerian citizenship in 1962 after the country’s ghastly independence war against the French, is still alive; indeed, he pleaded for good Christians and good Muslims to remain together and “build bridges”, as he put it, after the Charlie Hebdo massacre in January last year. He is, after all, an expert at the grotesquerie as well as the magnificence of faith.

So here is what he also said to me on that broiling Algiers day two decades ago: “The most difficult thing is to know that every day some people die, mothers cry for their sons and daughters. We ourselves are not in the same situation as we were before this [Algerian] crisis. When you begin celebrating the Eucharist, you cannot help remembering that Jesus was murdered by human violence – in the name of religion. Now we have to understand the risk in this society, that we are walking in the footsteps of Jesus. We cannot look at the cross of Jesus as we have done before. Before it was an abstract thing. Now it is a daily reality.”

How wonderfully spoken. How appropriate are these words amid the horror of Father Hamel’s sacrifice. But is that what it was? A “sacrifice”? Or does that obscure the act of murder most foul?

It was Teissier who took the phone call which told him that all seven monks had been decapitated. The Algerian authorities blamed the GIA led by a man called Sayah Attia, who one of the Tibherine monks had supposedly recognised when he answered the door, the same man whose face had appeared in a photograph that identified him as the murderer of Yugoslav civilians whose throats had been slashed close to the monastery.

But there is, alas, another deeply disturbing story about the monks. Enquiries by the French security services – and by journalists on Le Monde newspaper – suggested that after the GIA had kidnapped the seven men, the Algerian army, which maintained close liaisons with the French military, attempted a rescue mission. But they blundered. Not only did they kill the GIA men but shot dead the monks as well. Unwilling to reveal their disastrous operation, they then cut off the heads of the monks – as if they were the result of Islamist murders – and buried the bullet-riddled torsos of the seven. Hence only the heads were found.

Another theory – and we shall never know the truth – is that the Algerian security police wanted the monks kidnapped and dead as a punishment for all those who assisted the GIA, even when their only sin was to give them medical aid.

There is still doubt as to who, in the very same year, murdered the Bishop of Oran. Mgr Pierre Claverie died in a bomb explosion on the very same day he had met the French Foreign Minister, Herve de Charrette. “The bomb went off in the street,” Teissier told me then. “He was crushed by the door of the chapel and his brains were found on the chapel floor. It was absurd, idiotic, unconscionable.”

But there is no doubt about who killed Father Hamel. Adel Kermiche was one of two men who murdered the old priest. He was born only a few months after the Tibherine monks were murdered. No connection, of course. But according to neighbours, Kermiche was born in Algeria. Now there’s a historical clue if anyone has the courage to search for it.

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Dark Angel

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How to Understand the Beheading of a French Priest
by ROBERT FISK

Faced with the murder and beheading of seven of his monks by Islamists 20 years ago, the Archbishop of Algiers went one better than the Archbishop of Rouen this week. He didn’t talk about the slaughter of an elderly priest as the “unnameable”. He saw the road of Calvary. In fear of his own life amid a ferocious conflict, Monseigneur Henri Teissier, 67 years old and a French professor of Arabic, responded by celebrating mass for six nuns and monks all those years ago by reading from St Matthews, Chapter 25, verse 13: “Watch, therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of Man cometh.”

The tiny congregation had originally gathered that day in 1996 to remember one of France’s first religious martyrs in Algiers, Vicomte Charles de Foucauld, the soldier-turned-priest who was assassinated by an Islamist in Tamanrasset in 1916; his murder set an awful precedent for the killing of all French priests by those who claimed they were motivated by Islam. Surely Father Jacques Hamel would have known of him. The Vicomte was killed only 14 years before he was born.

But when Teissier talked to me of the seven monks taken from their monastery in the beautiful hills above Tibherine, his words might have been uttered about the killers of 86-year-old Father Hamel. “They will kill a boy of two or an old man of 85 [sic]. I think they are out of their consciences. They work under their understanding of Islamic law – ‘We have to kill the enemies of the Lord’ – and it is finished. We think not only of our life but of the lives of all the people in Algeria…” A generous man, Teissier.

The Algerian civil war – between a brutal Islamist army and the equally savage Algerian army which had fatally cancelled elections which Islamists would have won in 1992 – had by 1996 already reached Syrian proportions: babies with their throats cut, women massacred in front of their husbands, men routinely decapitated. The police tortured their prisoners by pumping water into their stomachs until their victims exploded. It was inevitable that the killers from the GIA, the Islamic Armed Group, would turn upon all foreigners – and that also meant priests and bishops.

The monks of Tibherine, whose own Golgotha would be made into a poignant and superb film, Of Gods and Men, were taken from their monastery where they had looked after and given medical aid not only to the local Algerian Muslim villagers, but to the Islamist fighters themselves. That may have been their undoing. More on that later.

But first, back to Teissier and his appalling, magnificent reflections upon their deaths. “It is true that we found only their heads,” he said quietly on that hot Algiers afternoon, the sound of police sirens echoing over the city. “Three of their heads were hanging from a tree near a petrol station. The other four heads were lying on the grass beneath. But it is marvellous that the families of those monks maintained their friendship for us and for all Algerians. They had visited the monastery. They had been able to accept the loss of their sons. They knew it was not all Algerians who did this thing.”

Could such words be repeated today, I wonder, to the racists and right-wingers who demand the punishment of all Muslims for the crimes of a few? At 87, Teissier, who took Algerian citizenship in 1962 after the country’s ghastly independence war against the French, is still alive; indeed, he pleaded for good Christians and good Muslims to remain together and “build bridges”, as he put it, after the Charlie Hebdo massacre in January last year. He is, after all, an expert at the grotesquerie as well as the magnificence of faith.

So here is what he also said to me on that broiling Algiers day two decades ago: “The most difficult thing is to know that every day some people die, mothers cry for their sons and daughters. We ourselves are not in the same situation as we were before this [Algerian] crisis. When you begin celebrating the Eucharist, you cannot help remembering that Jesus was murdered by human violence – in the name of religion. Now we have to understand the risk in this society, that we are walking in the footsteps of Jesus. We cannot look at the cross of Jesus as we have done before. Before it was an abstract thing. Now it is a daily reality.”

How wonderfully spoken. How appropriate are these words amid the horror of Father Hamel’s sacrifice. But is that what it was? A “sacrifice”? Or does that obscure the act of murder most foul?

It was Teissier who took the phone call which told him that all seven monks had been decapitated. The Algerian authorities blamed the GIA led by a man called Sayah Attia, who one of the Tibherine monks had supposedly recognised when he answered the door, the same man whose face had appeared in a photograph that identified him as the murderer of Yugoslav civilians whose throats had been slashed close to the monastery.

But there is, alas, another deeply disturbing story about the monks. Enquiries by the French security services – and by journalists on Le Monde newspaper – suggested that after the GIA had kidnapped the seven men, the Algerian army, which maintained close liaisons with the French military, attempted a rescue mission. But they blundered. Not only did they kill the GIA men but shot dead the monks as well. Unwilling to reveal their disastrous operation, they then cut off the heads of the monks – as if they were the result of Islamist murders – and buried the bullet-riddled torsos of the seven. Hence only the heads were found.

Another theory – and we shall never know the truth – is that the Algerian security police wanted the monks kidnapped and dead as a punishment for all those who assisted the GIA, even when their only sin was to give them medical aid.

There is still doubt as to who
, in the very same year, murdered the Bishop of Oran. Mgr Pierre Claverie died in a bomb explosion on the very same day he had met the French Foreign Minister, Herve de Charrette. “The bomb went off in the street,” Teissier told me then. “He was crushed by the door of the chapel and his brains were found on the chapel floor. It was absurd, idiotic, unconscionable.”

But there is no doubt about who killed Father Hamel. Adel Kermiche was one of two men who murdered the old priest. He was born only a few months after the Tibherine monks were murdered. No connection, of course. But according to neighbours, Kermiche was born in Algeria. Now there’s a historical clue if anyone has the courage to search for it.

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here, that is a better version of the same story.

conclusions:
  1. for generations priests, monks and nuns are being killed and beheaded by islamists, oftentimes despite tending to the islamists wounds and even treating them.
  2. sometimes they are possibly killed by the governments of the arab world, some other times by the extremists.
  3. Christians forgive and attempt to build bridges.
  4. it is only expected that people in general, and the far right in particular, will not react the same way to priests being beheaded in a muslim country that they would to a priest being beheaded in Rouin.
  5. as to robert fisk, toul 3omro darbe 3al 7efir w darbe 3al mesmar.
 

HannaTheCrusader

Legendary Member
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How to Understand the Beheading of a French Priest
by ROBERT FISK


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here, that is a better version of the same story.

conclusions:
  1. for generations priests, monks and nuns are being killed and beheaded by islamists, oftentimes despite tending to the islamists wounds and even treating them.
  2. sometimes they are possibly killed by the governments of the arab world, some other times by the extremists.
  3. Christians forgive and attempt to build bridges.
  4. it is only expected that people in general, and the far right in particular, will not react the same way to priests being beheaded in a muslim country that they would to a priest being beheaded in Rouin.
  5. as to robert fisk, toul 3omro darbe 3al 7efir w darbe 3al mesmar.


people will end up criminalizing islam in the west
 

Dark Angel

Legendary Member
people will end up criminalizing islam in the west
the dangerous part is that every reaction to these obscene act is simply being faced by annexing it to the "far right".. quite a misfortune, because this will only make the impact at the end of the end of this path much more violent.
 
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