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France's Le Pen is visiting Lebanon on 19 February

Abou Sandal

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This is what happens when conservatism collides in and on itself.

On the one hand, you have Le Pen, who hypocritically wants people to conform to her culture in France while refuses to do the same in other countries. And on the other hand, you have the conservative religious establishment that forces its culture on people.

Michel Obama and Hillary Clinton never wore veils in Saudi Arabia, and are against forcing Muslim women to remove their veils in the US.


In this instance, they both showed how open minded, tolerant and respectful towards each others, they are.

Now from a practical point, I believe she would have exploited this better in her campaign, had she put a discrete headscarf. As for her counterpart, he could have showed himself to be a good host, for only few liras for sure.
 

My Moria Moon

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The Mufti has no issues with a short skirt though. :rolleyes:

And you should only know how much the shorter, the better :woot:

By the way, any 3alim fi al qur'aan or the a7adith knows if the scarf, 7ijab or niqab were induced there? And yes, christian and jewish women also cover their heads, but there's no "must do" there, walla shou?
 

Dark Angel

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And you should only know how much the shorter, the better :woot:

By the way, any 3alim fi al qur'aan or the a7adith knows if the scarf, 7ijab or niqab were induced there? And yes, christian and jewish women also cover their heads, but there's no "must do" there, walla shou?

i am glad you have asked. i think i am the forum expert on islamic studies :p the answer is actually rather surprising.

sura 33 verse 59
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَاءِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَابِيبِهِنَّ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَن يُعْرَفْنَ فَلَا يُؤْذَيْنَ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

what is dangerous in this verse is not what it says, but what it leaves unsaid.

sura 24:31
وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا ۖ وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ ۖ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَائِهِنَّ أَوْ آبَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَائِهِنَّ أَوْ أَبْنَاءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوْ إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي إِخْوَانِهِنَّ أَوْ بَنِي أَخَوَاتِهِنَّ أَوْ نِسَائِهِنَّ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُنَّ أَوِ التَّابِعِينَ غَيْرِ أُولِي الْإِرْبَةِ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ أَوِ الطِّفْلِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يَظْهَرُوا عَلَىٰ عَوْرَاتِ النِّسَاءِ ۖ وَلَا يَضْرِبْنَ بِأَرْجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعْلَمَ مَا يُخْفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ ۚ وَتُوبُوا إِلَى اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا أَيُّهَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ

additionally, the dress code for captives slaves was quite humiliating, they were often made to remain toless, like femen :p
and these are some extracts from the hadith

لحديث عمر رضي الله تعالى عنه أنه كان إذا رأى جارية متقنعة علاها بالدرة وقال ألقي عنك الخمار يادفار أتتشبهين بالحرائر . » كنز العمال / ج: 9 ص : 199 : 25656 ـ ( مسند عمر رضي الله عنه ) عن أنس قال : دخلت على عمر بن الخطاب أمة قد كان يعرفها لبعض المهاجرين وعليها جلبات مقنعة به فسألها عتقت ؟ قالت : لا ، قال : فما بال الجلباب ضعيه عن رأسك إنما الجلبات على الحرائر من نساء المؤمنين فتكأت فقام إليها بالدرة فضرب بها رأسها حتى ألقته عن رأسها .

عن ابن عمر أنه كان إذا اشترى جارية كشف عن ساقها ووضع يده بين ثدييها وعلى عجزها وكأنه كان يضعها عليها من وراء الثياب الراوي: نافع مولى
 
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Dirty Dragon

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the same people who went bazurk when france banned burkinis, saying that it was an empeachment of freedom, are now critisizing le pene for not wanting to wear a veil ... go figure

Lol. Yes banning a dress code from public is the same as requiring one for a specific short meeting with a mufti.

Besides, its not refusing to wear it that is a problem. Making an attention whoring media stunt out of it is.

Miss Le Pen could simply refuse the meeting if wearing headscarf violates her principals, no reason to go to the mufti in the first place, knowing the meeting will not take place, then write endlessly about it in the media. No reason other than political whoring of course.
 

Nonan

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It's never happened to me using a Canadian passport.
They may not do it if you're going in without a visa (because the agent on the border doesn't really go into that). Once you have a visa though (to study or an H1-B to work), they do a more thorough research and then force you to register, which then triggers this every time you come back.
 

Dark Angel

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Lol. Yes banning a dress code from public is the same as requiring one for a specific short meeting with a mufti.

Besides, its not refusing to wear it that is a problem. Making an attention whoring media stunt out of it is.

Miss Le Pen could simply refuse the meeting if wearing headscarf violates her principals, no reason to go to the mufti in the first place, knowing the meeting will not take place, then write endlessly about it in the media. No reason other than political whoring of course.
relax relax ya DD. they could have easily gotten her to put the headscarf on. they could have told her, "Miss Le Pen, the scarf is for your own safety during the meeting." :p
 

Dirty Dragon

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Yup! Talk about voting against your own interests.

Its for the best the 300k Lebanese lose Lebanese citizenship. This way they will be integrated in the civilized West, and stop contributing to eroding the foundation of civilization. Then, when the conditions are right, the very civilized West will bring their civilization here to Lebanon.

If you dont vote for Le Pen, there will be nothing left of France to come and save what is left of Lebanon.

^ Check out my rationalization muscles.
 

JeanH

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Lol. Yes banning a dress code from public is the same as requiring one for a specific short meeting with a mufti.

Besides, its not refusing to wear it that is a problem. Making an attention whoring media stunt out of it is.

Miss Le Pen could simply refuse the meeting if wearing headscarf violates her principals, no reason to go to the mufti in the first place, knowing the meeting will not take place, then write endlessly about it in the media. No reason other than political whoring of course.
i dont care how specific or short the meating is , dar el ifta if you dont know yet is a public institution financed by the state , the moufty is a payed public servant, the rules that apply in the rest of the public institution apply in dar el iftaa, she was dressed decently she should be allowed in , dar l iftaa lost a point on this one regardless if marine was trying to pull off a publicity stunt, he came out on the loosing side
 

Dirty Dragon

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i dont care how specific or short the meating is , dar el ifta if you dont know yet is a public institution financed by the state , the moufty is a payed public servant, the rules that apply in the rest of the public institution apply in dar el iftaa, she was dressed decently she should be allowed in , dar l iftaa lost a point on this one regardless if marine was trying to pull off a publicity stunt, he came out on the loosing side

That maybe so, and im with you in that muftis should not be payed from public money. But the topic is Le Pen, and what she did is not sticking to her principals, she could have done that with dignity. Instead of that lowered herself in this manner to a political whore.
 

joseph_lubnan

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That maybe so, and im with you in that muftis should not be payed from public money. But the topic is Le Pen, and what she did is not sticking to her principals, she could have done that with dignity. Instead of that lowered herself in this manner to a political whore.

No woman should be forced to wear a scarf or hijab by anyone. You cannot and shouldn't vilify her for refusing to do it. She is right to do so it is her choice.
 

Dirty Dragon

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No woman should be forced to wear a scarf or hijab by anyone. You cannot and shouldn't vilify her for refusing to do it. She is right to do so it is her choice.

She can refuse the meeting and not go if the protocol violates her principals. I won't vilify her for that.
That is not what she did.
 

Genius

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This is what happens when conservatism collides in and on itself.

On the one hand, you have Le Pen, who hypocritically wants people to conform to her culture in France while refuses to do the same in other countries. And on the other hand, you have the conservative religious establishment that forces its culture on people.

Michel Obama and Hillary Clinton never wore veils in Saudi Arabia, and are against forcing Muslim women to remove their veils in the US.

Not really a clash of conservatists, in fact i don't really blame the mufti, the liberal women had set precedents in covering up like real obedient women when they visited the cave men of iran, saudi arabia, Egypt and the rest of the zoo. Except some exceptions. The ocres didnt care much about michelle obama, they seem to focus and get a macho orgasm when they cover up a blond. Subhannallah the inferiority complex has rules brother.

The conservatives are needed for telling and writing fiction stories about conspiracy theories. Someone has to amuse the billions with such stories
 

HannaTheCrusader

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معقول زعيم حزب سياسي ما بيفهم بالبراجماتية التي تشّكل أساس السياسات الغربية تجاه العالم..؟

لو بين ردّت على جعجع في معراب بعد سرده تاريخ الحرب اللبنانية و الوجود السوري بلبنان أمامها.

« انا لا اتحدث عن أولويات لبنان و سوريا إنما أولويات فرنسا فلا اريد الارهاب أن يصل الى قلب فرنسا ».
 

HannaTheCrusader

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قباني كذاب منافق... لباس المرأة في زيارة الفاتيكان اختياري..

once hal hoe taba3 rafic wore a head scarfe, naki a bek khabriyet ahel al sunna wa some shias
anno women wear scarves when they meet the pope


 
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