Garbage Dumped Along Coast in Lebanon - Where is the Accountability?

Is the garbage today on the coast of Kisarwan

  • Government fault

    Votes: 13 56.5%
  • Sami Gemayel Fault

    Votes: 10 43.5%
  • Nobody

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nature

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Lebanese People

    Votes: 14 60.9%

  • Total voters
    23
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  • HannaTheCrusader

    HannaTheCrusader

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    صدر عن وزير البيئة طارق الخطيب اليوم البيان الآتي " مرة جديدة يقع النائب سامي الجميّل في مغالطات محاولاً تضليل الرأي العام وباحثاً عن تسجيل نقاط وهمية على من يسميها السلطة السياسية.ويهمنّي في هذا الاطار توضيح الامور الآتية:



    1- تعليقاً على الاخبار المتداولة عن سجال بيني وبين النائب الجميّل فأنا لست بصدد التساجل مع نائب بل بصدد توضيح حقائق وتصويب أمور حاول النائب الكريم تحويرها من خلال القول إن مصدر النفايات التي تكدّست على شاطىء زوق مصبح كان مطمر الجديدة وبرج حمود، فيما ثبت بما لا يقبل الشك أنها متأتية من مجرى نهر الكلب واستطراداً من بلديات في المتن الشمالي ليست بعيدة سياسياً عن النائب المذكور.



    2- إن التذرّع ببيان الهيئة العليا للاغاثة حول تنظيفها الشاطىء من الزلقا حتى زوق مصبح لتدعيم حجته هو في غير مكانه لأن الهيئة وبتوجيهات دولة رئيس الحكومة سعد الحريري أبدت حرصها على تنظيف كل الشاطىء ولم يكن في حسابها أن بيانها سيُستخدم في حسابات خاصة.



    3- قلنا ونجدّد القول إننا ضد وجود نفايات سواء على الشاطىء أو في البرّ وإننا لم نستقل من مهامنا بل نبذل كل الجهد سواء في مجلس الوزراء أو اللجنة الوزارية أو بالتعاون مع لجنة البيئة النيابية لايجاد وإقرار الحلول المستدامة لأزمة النفايات الموروثة والتي تفاقمت بعد تحرك فتيان الكتائب وإغلاقهم الطريق الى مكب برج حمود.



    4- إن دعوة وزير البيئة للتفتيش عن 940 مكباً عشوائياً هي دعوة مردودة لمطلقها لأن وزارة البيئة ولعلم الشيخ سامي هي التي إكتشفت هذه المكبات العشوائية المنتشرة على طول الاراضي اللبنانية ، ونشرت بياناً حول تحديث المخطط التوجيهي للمكبات في 19 ايلول الفائت ودعت المواطنين الى الاطلاع عليه على الموقع الالكتروني للوزارة.والمستغرب أن النائب الجميّل إستند الى تقرير منظمة " هيومن رايتس ووتش " حول 941 مكباً لكنه تجاهل أن المنظمة إستندت في الاساس في مؤتمرها الصحافي بتاريخ 1 كانون الاول 2017 الى أرقام وزارة البيئة التي لفتت الى أن عدد المكبات إرتفع من 617 مكباً الى 941 بعد إغلاق مكب برج حمود ، كما تجاهل ما أعلنته المنظمة من أن نسبة حرق النفايات في الهواء الطلق ازدادت بنسبة 250 في المئة عام 2016 في جبل لبنان والمقصود قضاءي المتن وكسروان نتيجة اقفال مكب برج حمود.وبالتالي فإن لم يكتشف البارود كما قال النائب الكريم بل إكتشف محاولة جديدة منه لخداع وتضليل الرأي العام.


    that winch is quoying HRW , who are quoting the minsitry of bi2a
    thats how much of a scum, low life is sami and whom ever listen or supports him


    as i keep repeating, most people are so rotten, they keep re electing such filth

    5- إن لغة التذاكي والتشاطر قد تنجح لبعض الوقت مع بعض الناس لكنها لا تنفع كل الوقت مع كل الناس، لذلك ندعو النائب الجميّل الى التوقف عن استخدام هذا الاسلوب المكشوف من الاستعراض السياسي ووقف هذه اللغة التي باتت بائدة.واذا كان كل همّه منصبّاً على كيفية إنجاح حملته الانتخابية وتحقيق مكاسب انتخابية فنقول له : فتّش عن طرق أنجع وأفضل بدل تضييع وقتك بالنفايات.
     
    JustLeb

    JustLeb

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    In Sep 7, 2016 I predicted the following

    New leadership of FPM
    The discussion with some old comrades reminds me of the 80s during the Kataeb era:
    When Elias Sarkis (RIP) was president Amine El Gemayel used to say we want to hire Baabda Palace for 15 days to fix the country !!!
    Ra7et w ejet el eyyem and Amine El Gemayel become president and we waited.
    When we asked Kataeb what 's going on ? why nothing is improving ?? the reply was always "ya khayyeh mish 3am b khallou yeshteghel lal Sheykh"...
    When smells of deals and corruption started to become public, we asked them "what 's happening", the reply was "ya khayeh kellon 3am yeser2o !!!"
    This is the path that BASSIL is following. The only difference is that they don't have the presidency yet.
    Today I can't be more right.
    Think about it, if party leader (a kid) with 2 deputies can stop the plans of president with the largest christian block in the christian region.
    How can you convince anyone that you can fight the corruption of Berri ?
     
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    JB81

    JB81

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    In Sep 7, 2016 I predicted the following

    New leadership of FPM


    Today I can't be more right.
    Think about it, if party leader (a kid) with 2 deputies can stop the plans of president with the largest christian block in the christian region.
    How can you convince anyone that you can fight the corruption of Berri ?
    So if you were Bassil now, what would you do? Give me a realistic agenda
     
    JB81

    JB81

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    After reading the Minister's statement, it is legit to put Sami's name among those who can be blamed for the current crises
     
    JustLeb

    JustLeb

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    So if you were Bassil now, what would you do? Give me a realistic agenda
    I order TV not to report garbage and I tell people silent reforms are underway :D :D
    Are you really asking this question ?

    1- I am not at the place of Bassil
    2- I did not promise people with change and reform since 2005 but I was among those who genuinely believed it
    3- I did not block the country for 2 years to access to the presidency pretending that I am the only one who can save the situation, but I was among those who believed and supported this blocking
    4- Your attempt to deny any responsibility through this hypothetical question is shameful. When you promise something to the people and turns out that you can't deliver either because you are incompetent or you are a liar that means you are untrustworthy, a fraud.
    5- When I tell you to vote for me because I am the only one able to solve your problem, at this moment you can ask me what I would I do.
    So at the time being this is not my job, because I have no power in my hands and I have no ministries, nor super wazir, nor presidency.
     
    JB81

    JB81

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    I order TV not to report garbage and I tell people silent reforms are underway :D :D
    Are you really asking this question ?

    1- I am not at the place of Bassil
    2- I did not promise people with change and reform since 2005 but I was among those who genuinely believed it
    3- I did not block the country for 2 years to access to the presidency pretending that I am the only one who can save the situation, but I was among those who believed and supported this blocking
    4- Your attempt to deny any responsibility through this hypothetical question is shameful. When you promise something to the people and turns out that you can't deliver either because you are incompetent or you are a liar that means you are untrustworthy, a fraud.
    5- When I tell you to vote for me because I am the only one able to solve your problem, at this moment you can ask me what I would I do.
    So at the time being this is not my job, because I have no power in my hands and I have no ministries, nor super wazir, nor presidency.
    Basically, you don't have better alternatives.
    Let me repeat, you have the presidency and a block of 22 mps; you promised change, How would you achieve it in Lebanese politics?
     
    JustLeb

    JustLeb

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    Basically, you don't have better alternatives.
    Let me repeat, you have the presidency and a block of 22 mps; you promised change, How would you achieve it in Lebanese politics?
    fik bala tazekeh 3layeh
    I don't have anything of what you claim, I didn't promise people of anything...
    Conversely it is GMA&Bassil who promised people. I didn't say "qitar al esla7 bado yemshi w ma 7ada b wa2fo", I believed this statement but so far I can't say I see much of it one year into the presidency. On the opposite, PMA speech in Kuwait is shocking and shaking me to the bone.
    How they are going to implement what they promised is their problem not mine, what I did (like the big chunk of the lebanese people) is support them till they reached power. Now this is their job to do not mine.
    you argue that there are difficulties and I agree, but hey if the job is that easy why would I choose them over the others ?
     
    SeaAb

    SeaAb

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    Those that don't have the skills nor the money to implement their own waste management, what will they do ?
    Byejtem3o more than one baladiye to make it feasible.
     
    JB81

    JB81

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    fik bala tazekeh 3layeh
    I don't have anything of what you claim, I didn't promise people of anything...
    Conversely it is GMA&Bassil who promised people. I didn't say "qitar al esla7 bado yemshi w ma 7ada b wa2fo", I believed this statement but so far I can't say I see much of it one year into the presidency. On the opposite, PMA speech in Kuwait is shocking and shaking me to the bone.
    How they are going to implement what they promised is their problem not mine, what I did (like the big chunk of the lebanese people) is support them till they reached power. Now this is their job to do not mine.
    you argue that there are difficulties and I agree, but hey if the job is that easy why would I choose them over the others ?
    Your support was 22 mps out of 128 and you expect them to do a job of 65 mps and a cabinet that is totally FPM.
    So balla estekhfaf b32oul el3alam and say FPM reached to power, as if it the sole governance in the system. I pray where FPM is no longer in the political seen because your such won't appreciate their countless efforts and project made unless you lose them.
    No one know better about FPM achievements and threat other than Berri and Jumblat. It is enough to know that these 2 are against FPM to know that FPM is working hard to make difference that these 2 doesn't want.

    But hell, a day will come where FPM may be no longer; and if you think the situation is bad for Lebanon and Christians now; ra7 tetra7am 3al hal iyyem... weljeyyeh, I'm going to tell you kharjak because your ilks mannon shatrin 2ellah ynazro 3al 2awadem w smear attack them until FPM is no longer.
     
    JustLeb

    JustLeb

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    Your support was 22 mps out of 128 and you expect them to do a job of 65 mps and a cabinet that is totally FPM.
    So balla estekhfaf b32oul el3alam and say FPM reached to power, as if it the sole governance in the system. I pray where FPM is no longer in the political seen because your such won't appreciate their countless efforts and project made unless you lose them.
    No one know better about FPM achievements and threat other than Berri and Jumblat. It is enough to know that these 2 are against FPM to know that FPM is working hard to make difference that these 2 doesn't want.

    But hell, a day will come where FPM may be no longer; and if you think the situation is bad for Lebanon and Christians now; ra7 tetra7am 3al hal iyyem... weljeyyeh, I'm going to tell you kharjak because your ilks mannon shatrin 2ellah ynazro 3al 2awadem w smear attack them until FPM is no longer.
    let me put this straight.
    FPM tells us it is alone able to fix the country, we believe and for more than a decade we support it, once in power we ask it to put in action its long awaited reforms, it tells us this is a difficult job, we raise our concerns and then we become the assholes ????

    This logic was used by all of the militias that preceded FPM, LF and Kataeb used to have similar speech... they told us without el sheykh wil 7akim btekhrab el deni... fa eja Michel Aoun over the shits generated by them...
    So don't worry, if you keep making shit another "michel aoun" will raise somewhere, sometime and will take over.
    Nature does not like void, so don't threaten people of void
     
    JB81

    JB81

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    let me put this straight.
    FPM tells us it is alone able to fix the country, we believe and for more than a decade we support it, once in power we ask it to put in action its long awaited reforms, it tells us this is a difficult job, we raise our concerns and then we become the assholes ????

    This logic was used by all of the militias that preceded FPM, LF and Kataeb used to have similar speech... they told us without el sheykh wil 7akim btekhrab el deni... fa eja Michel Aoun over the shits generated by them...
    So don't worry, if you keep making shit another "michel aoun" will raise somewhere, sometime and will take over.
    Nature does not like void, so don't threaten people of void
    Where do you come up with this bs? Where did FPM said it alone can fix the country? Maybe, it's the only party who is trying to fix the country, YES! So bala making up lies like Sami just to attack FPM.

    You didn't put FPM in power. FPM got it by being pragmatic. You gave FPM 22 mps, and it was thru pragmatism it got into some power, and it is bothering Berri for a reason.

    In this case, you have 2 options; you either stay outside the government; or join it and try to make difference despite being a difficult task.


    And yes; FPM made reforms and projects... starting by bringing back a respected presidency, to a new electoral law, to bringing security and economic stability to Lebanon. Big projects from Batroun to Baabda are being issued and implemented; thanks to the FPM; otherwise, you won't see any of it had Berri and Jumblat had there way... and yes, it is done by FPM presence or the region would been neglected as it was prior to 2005.

    So khafeflna tenzir w shkor rabbak
     
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    lebanese1

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    let me put this straight.
    FPM tells us it is alone able to fix the country,
    Alone? when did FPM sayu it?

    Look man:
    -In 2005, FPM had 21 MPs and 0 minister. Electoral law was that of Ghazi Kanaan which allowed Christians to pick 17MPs.
    -In 2008, FPM got 5 ministers. Christians had 8-9 ones out of 30
    -In 2009, FPM got 28 MPs and 5 ministers + the head of the financial committee in the parliament. Ghazi Kanaan law was upgraded partially to allow Christians to get 32 MPs.
    -In 2011, FPM got 10 minister but access to sovereign ministries was still forbidden.
    -In 2014, FPM got a sovereign portfolio for the first time.
    -In 2017, FPM got the presidency, 9 ministries including 2 sovereign ones and Christians got 14 ministries.
    -In 2018, a new electoral law was made to allow Chrstians to elect over 50 MPs.

    This is a summary of FPM's past 13 years at the political level only. Do you see how long the process was and how gradual improvements were? do you see how we developed slowly but surely and how the goal was reached at the end?

    The exact same will happen regarding the process of fixing the country. The battle has just started. It will be long and tough but things will get better progressively till goals are reached.
     
    JustLeb

    JustLeb

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    When people were protesting about the garbage crisis a while back everyone villified the protesters and was somehow cheering for the government... This is your garbage crisis resolution, the entire country is a dump ^_^

    Lah lah halla2 byez3alo mennik jame3et El tayyar...lianno kellon Mish ye3ni kellon.
    En mathématiques ça veut dire
    Quel que soit kellon il existe epsilon tel que kellon <= kellon - epsilon :D :D
     
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