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Gavin Ford's murder [OPEN DISCUSSION]

Danny Z

Danny Z

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They are doing it on free will, not because they were incentived by Jesus' preaching. Stop trying to twist facts, you know very well when Muslims rape they use some justification found in the quran or the pedophile's teachings themselves.
That’s called moral bankruptcy when you use religion to justify the act, it is not the other way around. It is exactly the same as during the Middle Ages where the erupeans enslaved blacks and raped Arab women whe. They invaded their cities, that was moral bankruptcy too justified by religion, or when Japanese enslaved Korean and Chinese women and made them sex slaves, Islam had nothing to do with Japanese. Moral bankruptcy starts firsts, it can use religion, race, economics, political structures, philosophical ideas whatever you want but the result is the same.
 
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  • Danny Z

    Danny Z

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    If you were a woman, an apostate, or a homosexual, would you feel safer walking around Belgrade or Karachi?
    What is safer for a woman Jeddah or St Louis, heck I didn’t even feel safe in Hollywood and the cops told me not to leave the main street where they had starts on the pavement
     
    JB81

    JB81

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    Why was he murdered? Who killed him and why?

    when we find out; it is normal to do actions... be it legislative or enforcement of the law as preventive measures.
     
    Manifesto

    Manifesto

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    What is safer for a woman Jeddah or St Louis?
    I'll let you be the judge.


    In Saudi Arabia, if the rape victim is found to be alone in the rapist's company, she stands to be punished by the law's current holdings.

    Human Rights Watch has investigated the situation, and their report concludes that the rape victim is punished when they speak out against the crime. In one case, the victim's sentence was doubled for speaking out; the court also harassed the victim's lawyer, going so far as to confiscate his professional license.

    In 2009, the Saudi Gazette reported that a 23-year-old, unmarried woman was sentenced to one year in prison and 100 lashes for adultery. This woman had been gang-raped, became pregnant, and had tried (unsuccessfully) to abort the fetus. The flogging was postponed until after the delivery.
     
    vicking

    vicking

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    I see how syrians children feel about us and also children from other regions.
    They consider anyome with a skirt as a whore. Ome ofy friend works in a UN center to help refugees, guess what - the kids kept telling her that she will be burnt by fire amd that she will go to hell because uae she is not veiled.
    Where are we living? Afghanistan? In the middle ages? We never ever had this in the past and under Bachir or anytime in our history before 2012
    Our Muslims brother never had this neither, they never had such a population within their ranks
    I feel first sorry for the Lebanese Muslims whos religion is being taken in hostage but also wondering why they are not getting involved

    How are we supposed, Christians, be positive about the refugees and the living together? This is pushing each side to an extreme and we will end up having partition.
     
    !Aoune32

    !Aoune32

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    I see how syrians children feel about us and also children from other regions.
    They consider anyome with a skirt as a whore. Ome ofy friend works in a UN center to help refugees, guess what - the kids kept telling her that she will be burnt by fire amd that she will go to hell because uae she is not veiled.
    Where are we living? Afghanistan? In the middle ages? We never ever had this in the past and under Bachir or anytime in our history before 2012
    Our Muslims brother never had this neither, they never had such a population within their ranks
    I feel first sorry for the Lebanese Muslims whos religion is being taken in hostage but also wondering why they are not getting involved

    How are we supposed, Christians, be positive about the refugees and the living together? This is pushing each side to an extreme and we will end up having partition.
    min 2al we want to live with the refugees. we want the refugees gone back to their homes now right now abel 2 mins after.
     
    Indie

    Indie

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    That’s called moral bankruptcy when you use religion to justify the act, it is not the other way around. It is exactly the same as during the Middle Ages where the erupeans enslaved blacks and raped Arab women whe. They invaded their cities, that was moral bankruptcy too justified by religion, or when Japanese enslaved Korean and Chinese women and made them sex slaves, Islam had nothing to do with Japanese. Moral bankruptcy starts firsts, it can use religion, race, economics, political structures, philosophical ideas whatever you want but the result is the same.
    Black slavery didn't happen during the Middle Ages. And it was actually Arabs / Muslims who were enslaving Europeans at the time.
     
    vicking

    vicking

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    min 2al we want to live with the refugees. we want the refugees gone back to their homes now right now abel 2 mins after.
    We need Gavin's blood not to go in vain
    We need to start mobilizing and organizing demos immediately for the refugees to leave
    Also we should ask politely owners of shops not to rent or hire syrians, not only it is illegal but also settle them in Lebanon

    Many shops are now operates by Syrians in small towns but also villages such as Bsalim - and guess what, they dont sell Alcool nor Pork.
    So please lets now each one of us make noise and can the Tayyar organize a march in rememberance of Gavin?
     
    !Aoune32

    !Aoune32

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    We need Gavin's blood not to go in vain
    We need to start mobilizing and organizing demos immediately for the refugees to leave
    Also we should ask politely owners of shops not to rent or hire syrians, not only it is illegal but also settle them in Lebanon

    Many shops are now operates by Syrians in small towns but also villages such as Bsalim - and guess what, they dont sell Alcool nor Pork.
    So please lets now each one of us make noise and can the Tayyar organize a march in rememberance of Gavin?
    The syrian population are mainly in the Bekaa and the North. Lebanon needs to finally return all these syrians home. enough is enough. I am not going to blame them for every single crime that is going on in the country but the Lebanese have had enough.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Palestinian Christians are fully integrated into Lebanese Christian society tho, unlike their Muslim counterparts. At least the Christians already in Lebanon should be naturalized asap. There are 100k Assyrians now, as a Christian do you want them to go back to Iraq only to be killed?!
    I think such biases are what inflame sectarian and religious crises.

    The Palestinian Christians are well integrated because the Lebanese Christians accepted them open handedly. Even with the inclusion of Palestinian Christians, the Maronites will still be the largest Christian group or sect in Lebanon. Actually, the Maronites are playing the other christian sects very well and smartly. The notion of "Christians" as a bloc became a new reality after 2005 and the return of Aoun. The FPM wanted the votes of non-Maronite Christians.

    In the case of Lebanese Muslims, they have not open handedly embraced Palestinian Muslims. We more or less have similar traditions and langauge with Palestinians in general, regardless of religion and sect.

    I think, the Palestinians seem closer to Lebanese, than the Syrians are. Syrians have more tribal affiliations, and some relate more to Iraq and Arabia. Some Syrians are less Levantine than the Palestinians.

    Anyways, back to the point. The Lebanese Muslims are very much divided between the Sunnis and Shia. There are four recognized Muslims sects in Lebanon: Alawite, Ismaili, Shia and Sunni, while there are twelve Christian sects, with the Maronites acting as the one eye man, who is king in the kingdom of the blind (no pun intended).

    The Shia, just as Christians, do not fancy assimilating the Palestinians, who are overwhelmingly Sunni. So Sunni Lebanese really have little say in this, when over 70% (Shia + Christians) of Lebanese are against naturalization of the Palestinians. Assuming, the Palestinians were Alawite or Shia, they would have integrated better into Lebanese society. Another reason for poor integration of the Palestinians, from observation maybe geography. Lebanese Sunnis are the most dispersed across Lebanon. If there's to be any sort of partition or federalism (dreams of some Christians which will never be realized, by the way), Sunnis will be the most at a disadvantage. They are geographically cut off from themselves. Tripoli, Beirut and Saida appear like islands surrounded by other communities and far apart. The Shia communities in Lebanon appear more strategically positioned geographically, followed by Christians, whose only disadvantage is being lesser in number. The Palestinians mostly live in refugee camps within or closer to non-Sunni Lebanese or even when they are close to Sunni Lebanese geographically, the Sunni Lebanese themselves appear like islands in Lebanon surrounded by other communities. The Palestinian can't integrate. It will be hard.

    Of course, let's not forget the fact that the Palestinians had a clash with the Lebanese Shia, and precisely Amal. The Palestinians overstayed their welcome and wanted to become landlords in the south while they were only refugees, not even tenant.

    In my view, the best solution Lebanon has and Israel has too, is to lure the Palestinian refugees to leave Lebanon to the Arabian gulf countries. Over there, they will have a better life and the Arabians won't feel threatened from their Sunni brothers. The Palestinians can also assimilate into Arabian cultural traditions. If the international community is serious about peace in the middle east, in the shortest possible time, that's the best solution. Otherwise, peace will continue to elude Israel and the Palestinian refugee issue in Lebanon and the right to return are the biggest obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

    The western countries and the Arabian gulf countries have tried in futility to divorce Iran and Iranian influence from the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. You cannot actually do that when you have hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, and with an Iranian backed resistance movement insisting on their right of return. The Palestinian refugees have to leave Lebanon. And the Arabian gulf countries have what it takes to do that and make MBS Abu Dis dream come true. Just take the Palestinians to the gulf countries. Use monetary/material reward and enticements to have them move out of Lebanon. Just announce that Palestinians living in Lebanon will have a flat and a car if they move to Saudi Arabia and become Saudi citizens. After all there are millions of Pakistani and Indian Sunni Muslims in the Arabian gulf countries. There are only about half a million Palestinians in Lebanon. This will only be an issue for Kuwait and Bahrain, which have a sizeable Shia community and a majority Shia population and Ibadi Oman. The UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia should have no problem settling the Palestinians. Saudi Arabia alone can take them in. They have enough land and enough population to have the Palestinians blend in. Netanyahu needs to appeal to his Saudi buddies to take in the Palestinians in Lebanon and enhance the possibility of peace in the Middle East.

    As Lebanese, it shouldn't be our concern where they will relocate to. Just get them to leave.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Actually, if the Lebanese Christians, and in particular the FPM are serious about the Palestinian refugees and opposing naturalizing them in Lebanon, they will work hard to get the above suggestion carried out. The Palestinian refugees shouldn't be a scarecrow issue only. Concrete step like the above I suggested should be taken. And the FPM holds the foreign ministry. Why not rally the concerned countries on the above proposal?
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    As Lebanese, it shouldn't be our concern where they (the Palestinian refugees) will relocate to. Just get them to leave. And when they leave, make sure they dont return.

    I mentioned recently, how some Palestinians are working abroad, and are well to do. They have money. They work in Africa and the gulf and Europe and they return to Lebanon, like Lebanese expats do. They have taken Lebanon for a country or an alternative. That shouldn't be. But our govt has enabled them to behave that way. They are issued Lebanese passports as Palestinian refugees. Issue them passports to leave. Reduce the validity of their passports to two weeks or less. In fact, just give them a travel document and no passport, if that's possible.

    If care is not taken, Lebanese will eventually lose their country. Little by little, Palestinians from here and Syrians from there, we will have another Bahrain in the making. Things will change through demographic change, or it will lead to another war that will see Lebanese fighting refugee-wannabe-Lebanese. And of course, they won't succeed and the Lebanese will definitely succeed and preserve their country. But why wait for such a scenario and the use of bloodshed to have refugees leave in respect?
     
    Nonan

    Nonan

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    You clearly said that we have no clue what happened yet you accuse the guy of coming on to them?
    Since when was “coming on” a crime, let alone one punishable by death by strangulation, as I understood he was killed? Did he sexually assault them? How can two people killing a third one by strangulation he considered self defense?
     
    Nonan

    Nonan

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    In my view, the best solution Lebanon has and Israel has too, is to lure the Palestinian refugees to leave Lebanon to the Arabian gulf countries. Just get them to leave.
    خلص, you solved it. All our problems since 1973 solved with two sentences. We all collectively must be so stupid not to have realized this option.
    And you’re right FPM should work hard on that. Let’s just call MBS and have him charter flights of Palestinians to go to KSA.
     
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