Geageaism (1986-1990) Short-lived Success or Mafia Rule?

The_FPMer

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Two POVs:

1-Geagea improved the management of East Beirut, ruled with an iron-fist waiting for Partition but ultimately couldn't control his militia's wrongdoing and ended up paying for it.

2-Geagea is a cold-blooded murderer and his era is a complete disaster.


mikeys71 said:
Public transport , the clinics satellite and grocery co-op were for everyone. Subsidized housing was available to LFers only. LF was collecting taxes so they had to make lots of services available to the resident of the free zone. Taxes imposed on all real estate transactions, imports exports, Cement trucks, restaurants and night clubs. They controlled the sea port that was a good source of revenue. Syrian taxis were made to pay ex amount for entering the free zone in retaliation of taxes imposed by the Syrian government on Lebanese cars crossing the boarder.
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Walidos said:
It was not well run, it was not run at all... LF used to collect khouwet. They pretty much did as they pleased. For example at one point they stored weapons in abandoned depots in the building we lived in, 2emit 2iyemit the residents... they didn’t care. Someone had to contact an LF official they knew to get them moved. It wasnt soviet either... i was life with a mafia
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Mrsrx

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Subsidized housing was available to LFers only. --> means the party members were treated better that the general population. These subsidies came from somewhere... people were paying for that.

In Kim's North Korea, Saddam's Iraq, Assad's Syria, Stalin's USSR..... people close to power had a great life and order reigned and they would miss these days once they were or are over. Yet the general public remembers these days differently and remembers what it cost to have these select few living the great life described.

I was not or barely born in that period so I have no facts to give nor a personal experience but interesting subject. (I prefer not give second had stories that i have heard from people who lived it from either sides during that period)
 
mikeys71

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The_FPMer said:
@mikeys71 watch just the first video.
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I watched all of them. This a propaganda targeting LF in a bad way. Back then the government was not providing any services so basically LF took control of the free zone and collected all the taxes that the government usually collect. When the army failed to protect the civilians from 75 to 90 LF took the army role and that cost money. Zeroing in on LF and specifically Geagea is misleading info. All other parties did the same in their perspective zones they controlled. I myself had to pay 25LL every time I drove thru B7amdoun. LF was doing the same at the Berbara checkpoint. Why nobody talk about PSP, SSNP, Amal, mourabitoun and other who were doing the exact same. LF did it better because they invested the money in and outside Lebanon. East Beirut was the safest place in Lebanon. It was the only place during the 70s and 80s where you can safely enjoy life 24hrs a day. travelers from all over Lebanon would travel out of jounieh and not Beirut airport because of safety. There is so much to say but don’t have time to list everything. Some people didn’t like LF for what ever reason and no one system can please everyone. The best advise I can give you is to find someone who lived those years and ask them questions.
 
Zilzel

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mikeys71 said:
I watched all of them. This a propaganda targeting LF in a bad way. Back then the government was not providing any services so basically LF took control of the free zone and collected all the taxes that the government usually collect. When the army failed to protect the civilians from 75 to 90 LF took the army role and that cost money. Zeroing in on LF and specifically Geagea is misleading info. All other parties did the same in their perspective zones they controlled. I myself had to pay 25LL every time I drove thru B7amdoun. LF was doing the same at the Berbara checkpoint. Why nobody talk about PSP, SSNP, Amal, mourabitoun and other who were doing the exact same. LF did it better because they invested the money in and outside Lebanon. East Beirut was the safest place in Lebanon. It was the only place during the 70s and 80s where you can safely enjoy life 24hrs a day. travelers from all over Lebanon would travel out of jounieh and not Beirut airport because of safety. There is so much to say but don’t have time to list everything. Some people didn’t like LF for what ever reason and no one system can please everyone. The best advise I can give you is to find someone who lived those years and ask them questions.
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No one asks questions because Christians lost the war and since LF represents the Christians, the bulk of the blame rests on them (as far as all others are concerned). Entire country was subjected to this narrative and line of propaganda for the entirety of the Syrian occupation.
 
Zilzel

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Mrsrx said:
Subsidized housing was available to LFers only. --> means the party members were treated better that the general population. These subsidies came from somewhere... people were paying for that.
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Eben bsharri was laying his life on the line while eben keserwan was getting a mani pedi. It is a fair arrangement.
 
Mrsrx

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Zilzel said:
Eben bsharri was laying his life on the line while eben keserwan was getting a mani pedi. It is a fair arrangement.
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If that is the case, thank you for proving the point and tell your friend to stop claiming it was a socialist paradise (yea i am pretending that you did not miss the part about this thread being about achrafieh)
 
Nonan

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Zilzel said:
No one asks questions because Christians lost the war and since LF represents the Christians, the bulk of the blame rests on them (as far as all others are concerned). Entire country was subjected to this narrative and line of propaganda for the entirety of the Syrian occupation.
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As a Christian and a former residence of the "free areas", I've lived the LF za3ranet first hand. Just ask anyone about Zorro's check-point on Chevrolet and the people he killed in cold blood just because they honked or he was crossed. And while Amal and PSP were equally criminal, at least PSP turned Chouf and Aley into a much nicer, cleaner space than the East region ever were ... and they did not massacre any druze (unlike Geagea's record of killing other christians).
 
SAVO

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Mrsrx said:
In Kim's North Korea, Saddam's Iraq, Assad's Syria, Stalin's USSR..... people close to power had a great life and order reigned and they would miss these days once they were or are over. Yet the general public remembers these days differently and remembers what it cost to have these select few living the great life described.
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where u got those information from , the CIA fact book ?
 
SAVO

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u guys have twisted ideas when it comes to socialism , capitalism , left right .. conservatism ,liberalism and the list go on ...

Kataeb party , is a "right wing " christian social democratic party as they claim .. their ideology is more close to the benito mussolini , francisco franco political model than to socialist regimes that are mainly left wing ,.. there is a structural and ideological difference between the two models ..

LF in the last years tried hard to model itself after the CDU , a christian democrat right wing party in germany , and Gaegae during the lebanese civil war in the vision of the cold war blocks , he was a USA -Saudi Asset against the soviet and its allies...
 
Mrsrx

Mrsrx

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SAVO said:
u guys have twisted ideas when it comes to socialism , capitalism , left right .. conservatism ,liberalism and the list go on ...

Kataeb party , is a "right wing " christian social democratic party as they claim .. their ideology is more close to the benito mussolini , francisco franco political model than to socialist regimes that are mainly left wing ,.. there is a structural and ideological difference between the two models ..

LF in the last years tried hard to model itself after the CDU , a christian democrat right wing party in germany , and Gaegae during the lebanese civil war in the vision of the cold war blocks , he was a USA -Saudi Asset against the soviet and its allies...
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Who thinks kataeb are a left wing party?
 
SAVO

SAVO

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The point Is impropriate use of the Word "socialism" as some dedcribed Gaegae previously ..

Use wikipedia to check about concepita likes :
Socialism ; real socialism; market socialism; scientific socialism ; democratic socialism : all of them are marxist based concept and considered Extreme left.

Social democracy. Is a center left .
leftist have a no class vision of society centered on workers class


Both are extremely different in structure and concept from
Corporativism ; nationalsocialism and the and the social doctrine of catholic church. Whcih are mainly right- Extreme right- Wing ideology.. and its centered in a corporativist and classist society.
 
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