How can Aoun redeem himself 2 years before the end of his term?

Ralph N

Well-Known Member
I believe that the biggest mistake FPM and PMA made, was to let us believe they would be in a position to initiate all of those big changes.

Reforms, plans, bills, draft legislation etc. The problem is not to prepare such documents and plans. It's everywhere and I guess documented : Nabih Berri's drawers are full of FPM's made bills and draft legislation. I don't know how many plans to reform the telecommunication and the energy sectors have been presented / introduced.

But what's the point in drawing, drafting, designing all of those plans and bills when you can't secure their adoption ? How many chances do you have in introducing laws against corruption when the primary targets would be people under the protection of Nabih Berri ? Or friends with Hariri's family ?

At some point, we have to go beyond the usual excuse "They didn't let us etc.". Of course they didn't and they won't anyway ! They're corrupt, thieves, but not stupid.

In this regard, let FPM say things clearly : Why did we have alliances with them all, knowing they wouldn't let us get ahead with any of our projects ?
HIzb alla backstabbed us.. we could have... we won the majority.. slowly we took power..
See in 2005 we were minority, in 2018 we are majority... they backstabbed us since 2009.... hizb alla..

Berri bado ynik el hezeb... w henne ba3don meshyin ma3o...
 

JustLeb

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Baseless accusations towards Bassil

3a faw2a, shou sar bi masadrak w dekenet Tahsin and the 7% commission for mad3ou G.B. ? 🤣
السؤال يلي مطلوب تجاوب عليه: هل شانتال تقف بالصف كل أسبوع للحصول على ٣٠٠دولار؟

اما بالنسبة لتحسينو ما بعرف ناطر مثلك للحلقة المقبلة.
على فكرة فيك تسب تحسينو وتلفزيونه قد ما بدك وممكن سب معك لأن أنا ما بتبع حدا
اذا حكي كلام موثق مقنع بأيده واذا لأ بسبو متلك.
بس مش عم اقدر اعرف اذا شانتال عم توقف بالصف وكيف باسيلو عم يتركها تتبهدل هيك؟!
وين الرجولة والنخوة...
ولو كيف انت بتقبل
 

The_FPMer

Well-Known Member
Just because Trump is brash and gives means nicknames to his rivals, doesn't mean he's not a smart guy.
He knows what it takes to succeed in today's ultra-PC America.
Unfortunately, the liberal media's relentless crusade eventually got the best of him
and Americans fell for the "Trump is a racist" game.
They forgot that this is "racist" president actually had the support of 50% of Hispanics and was the first US leader not to wage war against any other country. Liberals were so frustrated with Trump's immigration policy and his treatment of refugee children, so they picked someone who approves of women killing their babies whenever they feel like it. Go figure! So kind-hearted those liberals...

Fighting illegal immigration and putting your country's interests first make you evil in today's America. You should open the border and let all the drug dealers and terrorists from shithole countries in...

But anyway, let's not open an old wound now.
He's much smarter and charismatic than Aoun but he's no way a smart person. He let his supporters down and ket feeding them hopium until everything collapsed. He botched the corona response and renaged many times from signing a stimulus bill adequate to people's needs. BLM exposed him for a coward that he is, they kept burning and he kept tweeting "Law and Order!" and they kept wiping the floor with him.

As the economy was plunging during the COVID, he was busy tweeting about the stock market going up. The guy's a clown.

He could have won many Americans if he pardoned Assange, instead he pardoned crooks criminals. But what do you expect from a Roy Cohn pupil?
 

johnnyFPM

Legendary Member
The Trio still have the grip on the country; However, you can see that they are crumbling very fast. And I do see the end of the tunnel if FPM holds their ground

1) the head master Nabih will be take care by God soon... you can see he's getting old amd weak. Once this guy is out of the picture, the others crumble faster, especially as they become weak thanks to FPM
2) FM is weaker, FPM attacks +Hariri mistakes
3) Joumblat is the weakest link. However, he is holding into power because of Nabih + buying dhimmis and media thru the stolen billions. But, his billions won't help once Nabih is out of the picture

FPM just have to hold on. We are young promising party; the trio are becoming from the past
Again, you’re just talking about how FPM is fighting for its piece of the pie. Nothing new here. Oh and spoiler alert: Berri will be replaced by another corrupt and senile chiite that HA will be forced to support. So nothing will change.
Meanwhile, what did FPM do via the president, the ministers, the MPs, the moudara 3am, the officers, etc. to change the people’s lives? I’m not asking them to turn lebanon into Switzerland, just step by step little changes. What did they do? Nothing.
 

JustLeb

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Again, you’re just talking about how FPM is fighting for its piece of the pie. Nothing new here. Oh and spoiler alert: Berri will be replaced by another corrupt and senile chiite that HA will be forced to support. So nothing will change.
Meanwhile, what did FPM do via the president, the ministers, the MPs, the moudara 3am, the officers, etc. to change the people’s lives? I’m not asking them to turn lebanon into Switzerland, just step by step little changes. What did they do? Nothing.
عم فتش على مديرية أو إدارة أو وزارة استلمها التيار وصارت نموذج يحتذى به
 

JB81

Legendary Member
Again, you’re just talking about how FPM is fighting for its piece of the pie. Nothing new here. Oh and spoiler alert: Berri will be replaced by another corrupt and senile chiite that HA will be forced to support. So nothing will change.
Meanwhile, what did FPM do via the president, the ministers, the MPs, the moudara 3am, the officers, etc. to change the people’s lives? I’m not asking them to turn lebanon into Switzerland, just step by step little changes. What did they do? Nothing.

First; the President is holding Berri from more employment thus taba3iyeh
The President enforced an electoral law that minimize Joumblat and Hariri
Ministers and mps put great plans and laws; there are in PM's and MoF, and Berri's drawers. Thus, thus they did their work, the implementation and funding comes from different sources
Moudara: Badri Daher stopped lot of theft from the port; same with Casino director; turned it into surplus

في ازمة حكم وشعب؛ اتضح بعد خروج السوري إنو اللبناني تبعي بحب القوي ولو فاسد، عل الأدمي الضعيف. طائفي بآمن بالبيوتات والبكوات والزعيم.
بظل هل الشعب النائم لصوت لطبقة فاسدة تلات مرات بعدخروج السوري ، يعني ما في امل بالتغيير بصندوق الإنتخاب، الحل الوحيد هو لعب بملعب السلطة الفاسدة، الا وهي السلطة، ووجودنا وتحجيمهم عم بجننهن ولا ينبري احد منهن من القول لولا الحزب كنا قضينا عليكم

علينا الصبر والفرج قريب. عمر الميسترو بري، ضعف الحريري والبيك القزم شارفو عالتلف بقوة وصلابة التيار، والأهم تحجيمهم بملعبهم السلطوي

الخير لقدام
 

Wolf

Well-Known Member
FPM just have to hold on. We are young promising party;
please do not take it personal , yes young promising party that speaks on the behalf of only 25% of the Lebanese population, and this if we think that he has the majority of the Christian street. back in 7arb el te7rir. we lived in west beirut and helped the army from there. we were from different religions believed in a cause called lebanon. now those guys are not represented anymore since GMA started talking about 72ou2 el massi7iyeh.
as soon as he started talking like that he became establishment , if not him then GB. if you want lebanon speak lebanon and do not speak religion.

yes young promising party but speaks for Christians. Not good my friend
 

JB81

Legendary Member
please do not take it personal , yes young promising party that speaks on the behalf of only 25% of the Lebanese population, and this if we think that he has the majority of the Christian street. back in 7arb el te7rir. we lived in west beirut and helped the army from there. we were from different religions believed in a cause called lebanon. now those guys are not represented anymore since GMA started talking about 72ou2 el massi7iyeh.
as soon as he started talking like that he became establishment , if not him then GB. if you want lebanon speak lebanon and do not speak religion.

yes young promising party but speaks for Christians. Not good my friend

Fighting corruption benefits all, not only Christians

I can see how some Muslims feel discomfort from FPM occasional "sectarian" talks. However, FPM in their seek to bring electricity, there were no discrimination; Sadd bisri was going to water West Beirut; Telecom benefitted all Lebanese

FPM is for all Lebanese; using sectarian, which is rightful for Christians in the sectarian system; for FPM it is a mean to be in power, not for the sectarian division per say.

I agree, now that FPM gained political power, they should tone down the sectarian speech. No need for it anymore
 

JustLeb

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
please do not take it personal , yes young promising party that speaks on the behalf of only 25% of the Lebanese population, and this if we think that he has the majority of the Christian street. back in 7arb el te7rir. we lived in west beirut and helped the army from there. we were from different religions believed in a cause called lebanon. now those guys are not represented anymore since GMA started talking about 72ou2 el massi7iyeh.
as soon as he started talking like that he became establishment , if not him then GB. if you want lebanon speak lebanon and do not speak religion.

yes young promising party but speaks for Christians. Not good my friend
Not promising at all, what we have seen from it so far is only self serving. (PS I am a Maronite)
If I am not mistaken it was in 2009 I asked a question to Abi Ramia and Alain Aoun when they came to Paris.
I told them "I am Aounist since 1988 and in 2005/2006 I formally joined FPM, not for any political ambition but to increase the number of adherents by one, however how can we pretend to fix the country while people in FPM are complaining that the bylaws are not applied w kel min ido elo, and many are starting to leave?"
Abi Ramia replied telling me that all these will be addressed shortly and I will start to see improvement very soon...
Of course I naively believed him and thought that any new political organization will pass by this phase due to the lack of experience.
I stayed a big supporter until the 2015 when they botched the FPM elections that if it had happened would have shaken the political scene in lebanon to its core, and all the useless political families would have crumbled.
Unfortunately what I discovered at that time that these people are no more than LIARS, and DECEIVERS, they will tell you anything you want to hear, from national unity, to christian rights, to railway to cyprus, to going to Mars, to lately planting wheat and exporting friki, they can adopt any idea as long as they can stay in power.
In 2015 I told the comrades, say goodbye to democracy in FPM there will be no elections anymore and this promising party in which many have sacrificed long years of their lives has become a family business (worse even the ruling family is quarreling among each other).
After you wake up you start to see all these inconsistencies popping up everywhere, for example Aoun in his own tongue said Sleiman should not have ministers, but now he wants ministers for himself and for his party.
This tells you one thing, that those guys have no principle, the only guiding concept is their own interest.
Luckily for them they have HA who is keeping them afloat...

The only salvation to lebanon, is a new political structure with clear democratic and transparent values and principles to rise and guide the society. Otherwise this country will stay under the control of MAFIA leaders and Warlords such as Berri, Jomblat, Hariri, Aoun/Bassil, Geagea etc...
 

Wolf

Well-Known Member
left the country 1993, went back to lebanon 2005 and saw GMA return. as soon as he said we will go through the elections. I said kiss it goodbye and forget about this country,I left 3 weeks later.
As soon as you join this BS system. you become part of it. So, the change within is the biggest crap ever. now, to the point of young promising party, soon they will realize that the young generation will not have the will to continue the fight for one day they will grow and discover the BS only to find out that you wasted your time on nothing. the Lebanon of aounists of late 80 was the most beautiful picture ever seen in my life. that picture is erased now. the picture of destroyed port, no electricity, $1 = 12,000 pounds people fighting in supermarkets took over.
lak ^UGUYKJGJHGJH ikton kellon min akbar wa7ad feyon la azghar wa7ad.

Nobody can redeem oneself. all of them are beyond redemption.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
Tenzir shi 7elo. I can go on and on with the Lebanon I want. Bass hey shi, and reality and politics are something else
 

CitizenOfTheRepublic

Legendary Member
To start, Pierre very clearly needed a psychiatric intervention long ago, now an asylum internment might not be enough.
Moving on, this PR impotence that flows from the leadership of FPM down to the mid level activist is nauseating.
Lastly this speaker in particular can kiss my big hairy ass, if he is such a clumsy idiotic speaker he shouldn't go on TV.
 

Dr. Strangelove

Nuclear War Expert
Staff member
This man speaks what the 4million Lebanese trapped in the "hell" are feeling and thinking (minus the 20-30K Aouniye).
Maybe we should make him president, then!

And 20-30K?! That's the best news I've heard all week! According to some people here on the forum, battal fi Aouniyye gher ana w @SeaAb w Gebran Bassil!
 
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