How does muslim youth become radical

JB81

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There are several scientific theories posted above. They provide some explanations to the process of radicalization, which are open for debate in this thread, but I am certain that reading the Quran has no scientific relationship to radicalization.
I don't know where did you read that criticism of Islam leads to radicalization in my post though!
Do you read what you post or understand ?

You said: replying to accusing the Quraan of radicalization:


Can we consider this type of accusation as part of the radicalization process.
Creating a link between reading the Quran and terrorism defacto creates a confessional conflict as here we have an assertion that reading the Quran makes people radical, when the accusation itself triggers the process of transformation.

Can you explain what you meant here other than if you criticized the Quraan, you turn Muslims into radicals?
 
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  • Mighty Goat

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    Do you read what you post or understand ?

    You said: replying to accusing the Quraan of radicalization:


    Can we consider this type of accusation as part of the radicalization process.
    Creating a link between reading the Quran and terrorism defacto creates a confessional conflict as here we have an assertion that reading the Quran makes people radical, when the accusation itself triggers the process of transformation.

    Can you explain what you meant here other than if you criticized the Quraan, you turn Muslims into radicals?
    My post is very clear, it was a reply to @Ice Tea claim that reading the Quran causes radicalization.


    You seem to read the post as meaning " if you criticized the Quraan, you turn Muslims into radicals?"
    Neither my reply nor Ice tea comment mentioned the verb criticize. But you seem to be reading this word in your mind. Sorry I cannot help you in here, because we are not making any relationship between criticism and radicalism. You are reading something that is not there.

    I will be glad to discuss any point you would bring in relation to the literature I posted. But I cannot really comment on your misunderstanding the meaning of the word read.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    Ma badna nefham 2addek ya goat bass badna nefham 3layke.
    Ok I will help you understand. Few years back I wrote a paper about the Orange Room and the Metwali, when I sent the paper for publication the peers liked the Metwali part of the paper more than the Orange Room, but I have some substance on OR that can make a paper. So, I am polishing the section of the Orange Room to submit another paper about online political communication and conflict. .
    I think I do have enough material to work with, but I thought that the issue of online radicalization is of relevance and I want to know what do you guys think about it. I hope this clarifies.
     
    Lebmonage

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    Why if anyone criticized Islam, it creates radicalism in Muslim youths and turn them violent?
    The Muslim youth knows very well that Christianity is no alternative to the teachings of Islam. Like once a commentator on live TV mentioned, (he happens to be, ironically, a member of the Saudi Royal family calling a show by that extremist Coptic preacher, who insults the Prophet), Muhammad (s) purified us from the worship of idols and heroes (humans) and took us towards worshiping the One True Almighty God who is INVISIBLE through monotheism. Christianity is taking us thousands of years backward to teach us how to worship a mortal. So when you target Islam, using missionary propaganda, lies and apologetics, and then present Christianity as the option towards salvation using insults against Islam and character assassination against the Prophet through false claims, the Muslim youth withdraws inward. He draws inner and inner to rediscover his faith and why the other side/faith is not an option and is actually bad. You're pushing him away from opening his mind towards tolerance, to shut his mind and move towards rejection. So it appears that that is exactly the missionary's objective. Whenever he makes one Muslim appear intolerant using offensive preaching, he tries to use that to score a point and claim that Islam is this and that. But the trigger from the radical, venomous and intolerant missionary.

    A similar trend happens on this very forum. When I speak against sectarianism and the confessional system, it irritates the kings of sectarianism. So what do they do? They make offensive comments about my community's leaders and my coreligionists and my faith itself. So when I react, they use that to say we are not mature enough not to be sectarian. Its satanic!
     
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    Indie

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    How do Muslim youth become radical?

    Life is full of pain, and when Muslim youth look for meaning and answers, they are told that killing infidels will get them out of this miserable world and into heaven, where they will be rewarded with more women than they know what to do with.

    End of story.
     
    Indie

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    It is scientifically proven that isolation and discrimination are significant factors which lead to organized radicalization. Quote from the study above:
    It's interesting that Christian minorities in the Middle East aren't being radicalized despite actually facing horrendous discrimination; unlike Muslims in the West who have the same rights as anyone else.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    It's interesting that Christian minorities in the Middle East aren't being radicalized despite actually facing horrendous discrimination; unlike Muslims in the West who have the same rights as anyone else.
    I think that this may be inaccurate, taking the Lebanese civil war was actually initiated by Christian radicals that wanted to constitute a Christian State, the same type of violence we saw in Serbia and Bosnia, where the Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church as well as Islamic institutions were major instigators of conflict and terror.
    Jewish terrorism was also associated with extremist religious groups.
    In Canada the sovereignists are Christian radical terrorist groups that have also committed some acts of terror.

    Religious nationalism comes hand in hand with radicalization and terrorism is a well known fact.

    Here is some of the available links online about Christian and Jewish radicalism.

    Stop Racism And Hate Canada | The Most Extreme of the Radical Christians

    Simple truth is that white men are Canada's mass shooters: Opinion | CBC News

    Religion in the Balkan Wars - Oxford Handbooks

    Past Zionist-Jewish Terrorism - Some Historical Facts

    Jewish Terrorism in Israel | Middle East Policy Council
     
    Indie

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    A similar trend happens on this very forum. When I speak against sectarianism and the confessional system, it irritates the kings of sectarianism. So what do they do? They make offensive comments about my community's leaders and my coreligionists and my faith itself. So when I react, they use that to say we are not mature enough not to be sectarian. Its satanic!
    What actually happens is that you (and your likes) adopt an anti-sectarian stance when it suits your agenda, and a sectarian stance when the latter is more beneficial to you.

    You want to abolish the confessional system of Lebanon, not because you actually understand or believe in secularism, but because you think your numbers will allow you to dominate other sects.

    When your taqiya and hypocrisy are exposed, you huff and puff; and, switch between playing the victim and threatening others, from one sentence to the next.

    You have zero understanding or compassion towards native Christians of the region and the persecution they are still facing. You feign not to understand why your support of a radical and destructive ideology forces Christians in Lebanon to insist on a 50/50 power sharing system. Instead, you claim that such a self-defense mechanism is an indication of bigotry.

     
    Dark Angel

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    The Muslim youth knows very well that Christianity is no alternative to the teachings of Islam.
    don't take this the wrong way, but even the muslim religious leaders know close to nothing about Christianity and have a gross misconception of our faith. what is being presented in islam as Christianity, both in the quran and in the mainstream islamic street, does not relate to Christianity a single bit, but it is rather a completely different entity manufactured by islam. the statement you have made is obviously emotional and not factual my friend. the muslim youth has no clear understanding of their own religion, and those who develop that understanding are leaving the faith in droves. atheism and conversions are on an exponential rise in particular in islamic youth my friend.

    and while there are many reasons for radicalization, the most pronounced one today is not the teaching of islam, but rather the denial that muslims are living in and the subsequent schism that denial is causing them to have with reality. islam is going through the psychological stages of grief:
    shock -> denial -> anger -> bargaining -> depression -> testing -> and finally acceptance will settle in. the arab spring was one manifestation of this schism, and there will others, as people across the islamic world are struggling to grasp reality with the advent of the internet and satellite broadcasts, etc.. . these are going to be tough times for all the involved communities.
     
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    Indie

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    I think that this may be inaccurate, taking the Lebanese civil war was actually initiated by Christian radicals that wanted to constitute a Christian State, the same type of violence we saw in Serbia and Bosnia, where the Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church as well as Islamic institutions were major instigators of conflict and terror.
    Jewish terrorism was also associated with extremist religious groups.
    In Canada the sovereignists are Christian radical terrorist groups that have also committed some acts of terror.

    Religious nationalism comes hand in hand with radicalization and terrorism is a well known fact.

    Here is some of the available links online about Christian and Jewish radicalism.

    Stop Racism And Hate Canada | The Most Extreme of the Radical Christians

    Simple truth is that white men are Canada's mass shooters: Opinion | CBC News

    Religion in the Balkan Wars - Oxford Handbooks

    Past Zionist-Jewish Terrorism - Some Historical Facts

    Jewish Terrorism in Israel | Middle East Policy Council
    Sure sure...foreign refugees never formed a militia and attempted to use Lebanon as a launching pad for their war against Israel. Muslim Lebanese never sided with those foreigners against their Christian compatriots. And Islam was not introduced in the Balkans by Muslim invaders.
     
    JB81

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    The Muslim youth knows very well that Christianity is no alternative to the teachings of Islam. Like once a commentator on live TV mentioned, (he happens to be, ironically, a member of the Saudi Royal family calling a show by that extremist Coptic preacher, who insults the Prophet), Muhammad (s) purified us from the worship of idols and heroes (humans) and took us towards worshiping the One True Almighty God who is INVISIBLE through monotheism. Christianity is taking us thousands of years backward to teach us how to worship a mortal. So when you target Islam, using missionary propaganda, lies and apologetics, and then present Christianity as the option towards salvation using insults against Islam and character assassination against the Prophet through false claims, the Muslim youth withdraws inward. He draws inner and inner to rediscover his faith and why the other side/faith is not an option and is actually bad. You're pushing him away from opening his mind towards tolerance, to shut his mind and move towards rejection. So it appears that that is exactly the missionary's objective. Whenever he makes one Muslim appear intolerant using offensive preaching, he tries to use that to score a point and claim that Islam is this and that. But the trigger from the radical, venomous and intolerant missionary.

    A similar trend happens on this very forum. When I speak against sectarianism and the confessional system, it irritates the kings of sectarianism. So what do they do? They make offensive comments about my community's leaders and my coreligionists and my faith itself. So when I react, they use that to say we are not mature enough not to be sectarian. Its satanic!
    See, you started by attacking Christianity. You humiliated my religion, degraded it to the most and you called it backward. This is suppose to be somehow not offensive to you, but no one is allowed to humiliate Islam, and call it backwards. It is offensive.

    See your hypocrisy... Ma ya7oukou lakom la ya7oukou ligharikom.

    You just called Christians polytheists... Care to provide us what the Quraan teaches about polytheists and how to treat them?
     
    Lebmonage

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    See, you started by attacking Christianity. You humiliated my religion, degraded it to the most and you called it backward. This is suppose to be somehow not offensive to you, but no one is allowed to humiliate Islam, and call it backwards. It is offensive.

    See your hypocrisy... Ma ya7oukou lakom la ya7oukou ligharikom.

    You just called Christians polytheists... Care to provide us what the Quraan teaches about polytheists and how to treat them?
    I'm only explaining how it plays out. Im talking basic concepts. I'm not insulting you. I have my beliefs and you have yours. However, the rudeness and insults always come from the Christian apologists when religious topics come up. You don't preach why we should be Christians because the Muslim will never feel attracted or be convinced. You always use character assassination against the Prophet and lies and propaganda and falsehood against Islam to tell us why we shouldn't be Muslim. If I want to preach to you, I can start by emphasizing on Islamic monotheism for instance.
     
    Red Phoenix

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    Cute thread

    Reminds me of when we were kids and blamed our little brother for our fart
     
    eile

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    I'm only explaining how it plays out. Im talking basic concepts. I'm not insulting you. I have my beliefs and you have yours. However, the rudeness and insults always come from the Christian apologists when religious topics come up. You don't preach why we should be Christians because the Muslim will never feel attracted or be convinced. You always use character assassination against the Prophet and lies and propaganda and falsehood against Islam to tell us why we shouldn't be Muslim. If I want to preach to you, I can start by emphasizing on Islamic monotheism for instance.
    this can't be further from the truth. as far as this forum is concerned, islam has been tackled in all its core aspects, yet each time this happens you and the other muslim apologists simply disappear from the discussion only to return again after some time and parrot a line like the above. for instance: if i personally want to begin addressing islamic monotheism (as i always did here) i'd naturally question the nature of the quran in this world; is it created? uncreated? or both? your evasion that im expecting will disprove your post and prove mine
     
    The Blind Monk

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    Lets try to put it this way... there is nothing wrong in being fundamentalist when your fundamentals are of no harm.
    In other words, if the core of your belief system is good then you can't be radicalized into an extreme positions. However, when the core of a belief system offers a perfectly logical pathway for someone to jump into extreme positions, then this belief system is to be blamed IMO.

    Also I just woke up, only slept like 3 hours... so I may be not making sense at all.
     
    Lebanon_not_Arabic

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    Online radicalization of Muslim moderate youth is a process normally instigated and organized by Christian and Zionist extremist entities operating online.
    How many times a day do Muslims recite Al Fatiha?

    اهدِنَــــا الصِّرَاطَ المُستَقِيمَ(6) صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنعَمتَ عَلَيهِمْ غَيرِ المَغضُوبِ عَلَيهِمْ (اليهود) وَلاَ الضَّالِّينَ (النصارى) (7)


    I can imagine a Christian hatred, anger and radicalization towards Sunna and Shiaa if they had to pray (at least 5 times a day) something like:

    اهدِنَــــا الصِّرَاطَ المُستَقِيمَ، صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنعَمتَ عَلَيهِمْ غَيرِ المَغضُوبِ عَلَيهِمْ (السنّة) وَلاَ الضَّالِّينَ (الشيعة)


    So, how does a Muslim moderate youth become radical? By blaming Christian and Zionist extremist entities online.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    How many times a day do Muslims recite Al Fatiha?

    اهدِنَــــا الصِّرَاطَ المُستَقِيمَ(6) صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنعَمتَ عَلَيهِمْ غَيرِ المَغضُوبِ عَلَيهِمْ (اليهود) وَلاَ الضَّالِّينَ (النصارى) (7)


    I can imagine a Christian hatred, anger and radicalization towards Sunna and Shiaa if they had to pray (at least 5 times a day) something like:

    اهدِنَــــا الصِّرَاطَ المُستَقِيمَ، صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنعَمتَ عَلَيهِمْ غَيرِ المَغضُوبِ عَلَيهِمْ (السنّة) وَلاَ الضَّالِّينَ (الشيعة)


    So, how does a Muslim moderate youth become radical? By blaming Christian and Zionist extremist entities online.
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