Huawei: When reality hits home and Trump is America CEO.

Abou Sandal

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trump wants those friendly usa nations to benefit and thats good for the future of usa companies
as china has become too predatory and stealing a lot of technology

let the chinese try their hands at actually INVENTING SOMETHING


China overtakes US in AI patent rankings

PS: Everyone stole/copied technology at some point or another, starting by the US.
 

Abou Sandal

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China Puts U.S. Soy Buying on Hold as Tariff War Escalates
Bloomberg News
May 30, 2019

China, the world’s largest soybean buyer, has put purchases of American supplies on hold after the trade war between Washington and Beijing escalated, according to people familiar with the matter.

State-grain buyers haven’t received any further orders to continue with the so-called goodwill buying and don’t expect that to happen given the lack of agreement in trade negotiations, said the people, who asked not to be named because the information is private. Still, China currently has no plans to cancel previous purchases of American soybeans, the people said.

President Donald Trump escalated his trade war with China earlier this month, ramping up tariffs on about $200 billion of Chinese goods, prompting Beijing to retaliate with further duties of its own. Trump and his counterpart Xi Jinping are expected to meet again at the end of June for the G-20 summit, when some analysts predict a potential resolution.

Soybean futures in Chicago slumped to a 10-year low earlier this month as the tensions peaked. Since then, prices have rebounded as a deluge of rain roils U.S. plantings.

13 Million Tons

Government data indicates China bought about 13 million metric tons of American soybeans after the countries agreed to a truce in December, in a move that showed goodwill toward getting the trade dispute resolved. While U.S. Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue said in February that China had pledged to buy an additional 10 million tons of American soy, purchases have now stopped.

USDA data also showed that China is yet to take delivery of about 7 million tons of U.S. soybeans that it has committed to buy in the current marketing year.

Spokesmen for state-run buyers Cofco and Sinograin had no immediate comment.

Clamping down on U.S. soybean purchases is a direct strike at Trump’s political base. In the the 2016 election, Trump carried eight of the 10 states with the largest soybean production, all of them in the Midwest. Iowa, the country’s second-largest soybean producer after Illinois, swung from Democrat to Republican in 2016 and could swing back again in 2020.


Falling Incomes

The trade war with China is compounding the strain of five years of falling commodity prices and losses from spring flooding across the Midwest. Overall, U.S. farm income dropped 16% last year to $63 billion, about half the level it was as recently as 2013.

The president moved to shore up support in rural America immediately as he escalated the trade dispute earlier this month, announcing on the same day a new round of trade aid for farmers. The U.S. Agriculture Department said the aid package would total $16 billion.

There are signs China is replacing U.S. soybeans with Brazilian supplies. The premium paid for soybeans loading at Paranagua port more than doubled over the past month as the pace of exports has accelerated in the past weeks.

“Brazil will supply China almost exclusively from now on,” said Pedro Dejneka, a partner at Chicago-based MD Commodities.

China is also grappling to contain a deadly swine disease outbreak in its hog herd, curbing demand for livestock feed. Soybeans are a key component of the rations, and Rabobank estimates about 30% of the nation’s pork supply has been lost.

 

joseph_lubnan

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Mumena3a "brilliant" minds side with anything and anyone against the US :)

The US should understand that many Lebanese who are aligned with "mumena3a" are anti American, full stop. US policy should take this fact into consideration. Amal, HA, FPM, etc. all of these parties should be persona non grata. People who are anti-American should never be welcomed in the US, and should be vetted out and not be considered for immigration. We do not want US-hating idiots immigrating to the US. If you hate this country, stay out of it.
 

LEBANESE-CIA

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Mumena3a "brilliant" minds side with anything and anyone against the US :)

The US should understand that many Lebanese who are aligned with "mumena3a" are anti American, full stop. US policy should take this fact into consideration. Amal, HA, FPM, etc. all of these parties should be persona non grata. People who are anti-American should never be welcomed in the US, and should be vetted out and not be considered for immigration. We do not want US-hating idiots immigrating to the US. If you hate this country, stay out of it.
What do you do with those you label "moumena3a" who do not seek immigration to the US due to the fact that they are ALREADY american citizens ?:lol:
 

Abou Sandal

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True and I do not blame China for doing it, but it does not mean we shouldn't protect ourselves.

The US has the right to protect itself, just like everyone else. No one is saying otherwise.

Problem is, just because the only way the US leadership saw as a measure of protection from competing markets, is the closing doors policy, doesn't mean that this is the right way, let alone that those it wishes to keep outside are bad, as it claims.

Smear campaigns are for dumb people, at the end of the day. This is business and economy. The truth is somewhere else. Just as the cure for a weakening economy is somewhere else.

And American protectionism has been tried before, and it failed miserably, and that's when Globalization didn't exist yet. So it's not that hard to see the outcome of such roads.

So again, the US has the right to protect itself, and it also has the right to shoot itself in the foot too. It's a free country after all.

By the way, and on a much smaller scale, if Trumps thinks that he is buying time for US tech companies for them to catch up and take over the market of 5G before Huawei does, I think that soon enough, the reality will slap him in the face, especially that those US tech companies that are supposed to catch up, will be the first to become crippled.

At worst, China will take the market of Europe and the rest of the World while Korea and Japan will take the US market.
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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The US has the right to protect itself, just like everyone else. No one is saying otherwise.

Problem is, just because the only way the US leadership saw as a measure of protection from competing markets, is the closing doors policy, doesn't mean that this is the right way, let alone that those it wishes to keep outside are bad, as it claims.

Smear campaigns are for dumb people, at the end of the day. This is business and economy. The truth is somewhere else. Just as the cure for a weakening economy is somewhere else.

And American protectionism has been tried before, and it failed miserably, and that's when Globalization didn't exist yet. So it's not that hard to see the outcome of such roads.

So again, the US has the right to protect itself, and it also has the right to shoot itself in the foot too. It's a free country after all.

By the way, and on a much smaller scale, if Trumps thinks that he is buying time for US tech companies for them to catch up and take over the market of 5G before Huawei does, I think that soon enough, the reality will slap him in the face, especially that those US tech companies that are supposed to catch up, will be the first to become crippled.

At worst, China will take the market of Europe and the rest of the World while Korea and Japan will take the US market.

"Problem is, just because the only way the US leadership saw as a measure of protection from competing markets, is the closing doors policy, doesn't mean that this is the right way, let alone that those it wishes to keep outside are bad, as it claims."

No way is the "right way" when actions are directed toward you.
However, the "right way" is not defined by actions, but by results.
Won - "right way", lost - "wrong way".
 

Abou Sandal

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"Problem is, just because the only way the US leadership saw as a measure of protection from competing markets, is the closing doors policy, doesn't mean that this is the right way, let alone that those it wishes to keep outside are bad, as it claims."

No way is the "right way" when actions are directed toward you.
However, the "right way" is not defined by actions, but by results.
Won - "right way", lost - "wrong way".

Finding the "right way" is not necessarily easy. But a way that was proven wrong times and times before, is still a "wrong way".
 

Viral

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Mumena3a "brilliant" minds side with anything and anyone against the US :)

The US should understand that many Lebanese who are aligned with "mumena3a" are anti American, full stop. US policy should take this fact into consideration. Amal, HA, FPM, etc. all of these parties should be persona non grata. People who are anti-American should never be welcomed in the US, and should be vetted out and not be considered for immigration. We do not want US-hating idiots immigrating to the US. If you hate this country, stay out of it.
What does China have to do with Amal, HA, FPM?
I see you're more agitated than usual today. Does it have to do with the sock market betraying you again?
 

Abou Sandal

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Let them sink in their wet dreams. You awaken them with the new reality, they hate you for ever;)

I'm always surprised when I hear on social medias, people talking about China as if it's only good at producing firecrackers, plastic toys and wooden kites. Seriously?

Huawei is only 1 Chinese company...take a look at it:


This company alone, spends on R&D (And in China, by Chinese standards!), more than Nokia and Ericsson combined!
These people are already in the future and some people think that some bozoesque bravado is enough to beat them. Well...How about catching up with them first!

Meet that other Juggernaut...The Apple eater...


And I'm not even talking about Baidu,Tencent, Alibaba and JD...Bottom line, the Chinese are running the show almost everywhere.

And if you want a clear indicator that they're winning, just look at the difference in level between opponents, that this trade war is ending up with: While they are protecting their superior advance and technology, the US is now relegated to a level where it is trying to protect its Soybean production.

One is dominating 4G Worldwide and is talking about his advanced 5G and 6G, and the other is now talking about... Soybean?
Some people need to shut down their old TVs and take a pause, if they really want to start seeing the real picture.


This...might hurt the US quicker than one could imagine:


 

Viral

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I'm always surprised when I hear on social medias, people talking about China as if it's only good at producing firecrackers, plastic toys and wooden kites. Seriously?
I believe it is racism more than ignorance.
Interestingly enough, the majority of NASA scientists and Silicon Valley brains are foreigners second or even first generation immigrants many of them are Chinese... China has everything it needs to eventually dominate the world. It's got brains and plenty of warm bodies.
Whoever leads AI and 5G technology will rule the world. With the absence of superior intelligence/execution, even the greatest military might becomes crippled and ineffective.
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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I believe it is racism more than ignorance.

No it is not racism, it is ignorance.

It is ignorance based on not so long ago time when China could not even produce decent piece of pig iron and China could not do this as result of all these Cultural Revolution purges and command decisions made by total ignoramuses driven by socialist dogma.

In addition, before it became powerhouse China started recovery (with US help BTW, racism my foot) by producing low quality simplistic products, which added to mistaken perception of today's reality.

So, it is ignorance - reputation is a 61tch and old habits are hard to break.
 

HannaTheCrusader

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China overtakes US in AI patent rankings

PS: Everyone stole/copied technology at some point or another, starting by the US.

whom did usa steal from ???
as for china, lets wait and see

how can a nation have AI, without having the super computers that needed to run them ???

common sense ya shabab

The US now has the two fastest supercomputers in the world - The Verge
 

Abou Sandal

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whom did usa steal from ???
as for china, lets wait and see

how can a nation have AI, without having the super computers that needed to run them ???

common sense ya shabab

The US now has the two fastest supercomputers in the world - The Verge

The US spied on everyone and stole from everyone, starting from the Germans, the Russians, and the Japanese.

As for China, it is on its way to lead the AI, make no mistake about it. And just because the US decided to not provide them with chips, doesn't mean much. Now the Chinese have just been given the incentive and the opportunity to start building high tech chips on a different level, instead of buying them overpriced from the US.

That's what common sense says.

And it also says that US companies that are banned (by the US) from working in China, will see their revenues tank, just like their shares prices. You can't just turn your back on a market of more than a billion consumer, just like that, and expect to thrive. You won't. You will be at a great disadvantage, if not vis-a-vis your Chinese counterparts, then surely vis-a-vis everyone else who has full access to Chinese market with its huge benefits.

The Japs and the Koreans are laughing right now...The Europeans are too dumb to move...But the Germans will ultimately decide for them.
 

HannaTheCrusader

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says that US companies that are banned (by the US) from working in China, will see their revenues tank, just like their shares prices. You can't just turn your back on a market of more than a billion consumer, ju


chips, you call super computers chips
great, let the chinese develop their own science and technology, whos stopping them

as for usa spying, they dont need to
the strength of usa, IS THEY ATTARCAT THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST TO THEIR NATION AND TURNS THEM INTO US CITIZENSHIP
THEY DONT NEED TO SPY, THEY ATTRACT THE BEST

who wants to go and live in China or Russia in the meantime ???????????????????



that market is not that awarding and many usa companies found out the hard way

besides some luxury items and cars
the chinese market has no room for majority of usa companies

only Hollywood makes a killing there

Facebook
google
wahstapp
may usa media are shut out from china to begin with

its just china has decided to play with its largest client the usa and they will learn the hard way not to do such
its business 101

how is usa benefiting when the trade deficit runs over %5oo Bil per annum
 

Abou Sandal

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chips, you call super computers chips
great, let the chinese develop their own science and technology, whos stopping them

They were fine buying them, and now, they will build them, and they will compete with everyone on this level.
Good job forcing their hand into that.
And good luck for the producers of US chips. I'm sure that companies like Intel and ARM will make much more benefits now that they do not have access to the BIGGEST producer and BIGGEST market on Earth. I see the logic.

as for usa spying, they dont need to
the strength of usa, IS THEY ATTARCAT THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST TO THEIR NATION AND TURNS THEM INTO US CITIZENSHIP
THEY DONT NEED TO SPY, THEY ATTRACT THE BEST

Yes sure, the US attracts foreign brain power by many incentives. It's an open market so why not.
But it doesn't mean that the US doesn't spy or steal on a technological level, just like everyone else, by the way.
And it doesn't mean that the US didn't historically steal from Germany, or Japan or Russia.

But for US to pose itself as the champion of honesty and fair play, is at best laughable. Just like when it poses itself as a champion of peace and human rights.

who wants to go and live in China or Russia in the meantime ???????????????????

Few hundred million Russians and more than a billion Chinese so far.

that market is not that awarding and many usa companies found out the hard way

Not rewarding?...Really?...Fine, anyway, Many big US companies depend on it....Shoot them.

besides some luxury items and cars
the chinese market has no room for majority of usa companies

Completely false. Where did you read such thing?

only Hollywood makes a killing there

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Facebook
google
wahstapp
may usa media are shut out from china to begin with

Google? What are you talking about? Google and android are products present in every single chinese pc, tablet and phone.

its just china has decided to play with its largest client the usa and they will learn the hard way not to do such
its business 101

Oh yeah...let's twist the story maybe it would make sense.
First of all, the US is the biggest tech material source to China, and as such, it's not China's client, but China's provider. And as such, it happens that China is the biggest US client, not otherwise.
Second, it's the US government that is messing up with A Chinese company, and will end up hurting multiple US companies.
Third, I'm not sure this kind of behavior would hurt anyone but US companies depending on the Chinese market.
Fourth, it's not "business" when you have a country attacking unfairly and illegally a successful and powerful company, just because it is a foreign company. You are breaching all kind of international rules of trade and treaties.

But then again, it's the "US exceptionalism"... A bad old habit.

how is usa benefiting when the trade deficit runs over %5oo Bil per annum

That's not the question to ask.
The real question is: What measures should be taken to lower the trade deficit. (Aside from killing your trade partners and running like a wild beast against them, of course)

And then this question is not only valid towards the Chinese partner, but also towards many others.
 
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