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illusion84

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Raya el Hasan has super right views and world bank experience when it comes to the economy and Nahas has far left views on the economy, nishkor alla ma 7ada 3ayankon Prime minister so that you gather Communists and Hawkish Capitalists in the same government, maybe you should appoint Etienne Sakr in this government too, now you get also the fascist far right!
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    illusion84

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    economic right as opposed to economic left. Capitalism vs Communism. I am not talking about far right like nazis or fascists. This is left to Etienne Sakr
    I've heard her numerous times before her last appointment as interior minister.
    She used to participate in the economical council as a representative of FM.
    She's not Sanioura.
     
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    Danny Z

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    I've heard her numerous times before her last appointment as interior minister.
    She used to participate in the economical council as a representative of FM.
    She's not Sanioura.
    Sanioura not Saniora, it doesn’t matter, she and and boustani Khoury have almost the same background and career paths, they’re both technocrats for that matter, but she’s a capitalist. Nahas is a socialist. Their views don’t always go together, fact they already clashed once in government and Nahas ended up getting his points added to the budget she presented after other ministers intervened. But these two are not compatible to be in the same government.
     
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    HalaMadrid

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    Sanioura not Saniora, it doesn’t matter, she and and boustani Khoury have almost the same background and career paths, they’re both technocrats for that matter, but she’s a capitalist. Nahas is a socialist. Their views don’t always go together, fact they already clashed once in government and Nahas ended up getting his points added to the budget she presented after other ministers intervened. But these two are not compatible to be in the same government.
    Team of rivals. It could work with a strong and decisive prime minister.
     
    JorjeToTheWorld

    JorjeToTheWorld

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    What Nahas usually speaks against is corrupted capitalism; when it's at the service of the actors who dominate the "state" actually with shady deals. He calls for full insurance coverage, worker's rights, public transportation and social security, which like 99% of successful capitalist countries implement - more importantly as a way to break the chain between the confessional leaders and their atbe3. This whole "far leftist" thing is a smear campaign by those who hate him and like the status quo. He'd be a social democrat/mainstream leftist in any European country.
     
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    HalaMadrid

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    And who would that be? Saad?
    I was mostly being facetious, because it's none of the options, but most especially not Saad. Plus, "team of rivals" like "national unity" and "bipartisan" is a bs defunct concept.
     
    AtheistForJesus

    AtheistForJesus

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    I was mostly being facetious, because it's none of the options, but most especially not Saad. Plus, "team of rivals" like "national unity" and "bipartisan" is a bs defunct concept.
    Geagea proposed a government of independents, which seems like a great idea in my opinion, whether we like Geagea or not.
    The protesters will not definitely not approve of an M8 government.
     
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    HalaMadrid

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    Geagea proposed a government of independents, which seems like a great idea in my opinion, whether we like Geagea or not.
    The protesters will not definitely not approve of an M8 government.
    The protesters should probably figure out an electoral strategy, then, in order to have a blocking vote in parliament. Because last I checked they have exactly one vote in parliament. Of course this is not counting the hangers on who decided they represent the downtrodden working class all of a sudden.
     
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    AtheistForJesus

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    The protesters should probably figure out an electoral strategy, then, in order to have a blocking vote in parliament. Because last I checked they have exactly one vote in parliament. Of course this is not counting the hangers on who decided they represent the downtrodden working class all of a sudden.
    50% of the Lebanese didn't cast their votes in the last elections. Those were the people protesting + a bunch of FPMers, FMers, LFers, PSPers who made some bad decisions and now regret having voted for their party leaders.
     
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    HalaMadrid

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    50% of the Lebanese didn't cast their votes in the last elections. Those were the people protesting + a bunch of FPMers, FMers, LFers, PSPers who made some bad decisions and now regret having voted for their party leaders.
    This is anecdotal and the election less than two years ago is a hard fact, where nahhas (who i like a lot, no buts) and many civil society ran. People had options in many places. They didn't opt for them. Check the results. In b2a3 l gharbe, masalan, civ soc got 1500 out of 68k votes. The anecdotal math doesn't add up, sorry. Baddak t2anni3ne inno the population of Lebanon had changed overnight?
     
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    illusion84

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    This is anecdotal and the election less than two years ago is a hard fact, where nahhas (who i like a lot, no buts) and many civil society ran. People had options in many places. They didn't opt for them. Check the results. In b2a3 l gharbe, masalan, civ soc got 1500 out of 68k votes. The anecdotal math doesn't add up, sorry. Baddak t2anni3ne inno the population of Lebanon had changed overnight?
    how much votes did they get in all of lebanon ?
     
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    HalaMadrid

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    how much votes did they get in all of lebanon ?
    Presuming "Kulluna Watani" is representative of civil society/protest leadership, then they received just over 45K votes out of roughly 2 million cast nationwide. And they didn't run in 3 districts. 2018 Lebanese Parliamentary Elections: Results & Figures”. | UNDP in Lebanon

    This is after the huge push by the foreign minister to have mughtaribeen vote, which presumably should have pushed the results in the list's favor.
     
    JorjeToTheWorld

    JorjeToTheWorld

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    Presuming "Kulluna Watani" is representative of civil society/protest leadership, then they received just over 45K votes out of roughly 2 million cast nationwide. And they didn't run in 3 districts. 2018 Lebanese Parliamentary Elections: Results & Figures”. | UNDP in Lebanon

    This is after the huge push by the foreign minister to have mughtaribeen vote, which presumably should have pushed the results in the list's favor.
    45 K is nothing to snuff at. No "alliances" or any of that nonsense. If we are using the same metric, FPM received 140 K (sawt tafdili).
     
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    HalaMadrid

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    45 K is nothing to snuff at. No "alliances" or any of that nonsense. If we are using the same metric, FPM received 140 K (sawt tafdili).
    This is now utterly besides the original point, but I'm very confident you're aware that sawt tafdili and votes for the whole list are not the same. Alliances are how you do politics. You're welcome to scoff at it though, I hope the weather's nice up there on your horse. Plus, each Kullunai Watani list had many different parties/independents represented. I don't think I need to remind anyone how hated Hezb Sab3a was among many independents. But they're the ones who managed to break a candidate through, so it was shrewd to put them on the list.
     
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