Iraq IRGC commander Qassem Sulaimani and PMF's deputy leader Muhandis killed in US drone attack in Baghdad

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    SAVO

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    i understand the good intentions ..but we cannot consider khomeinism a socialist ideology ...
    iranian regime is motivated by their hate and rivality with USA .. eventhough this is legit ,considering the imperialist and agressive politics of USA..
    but those are not the same reasons of our struggle against USA , for us the conflict is ideological and based on class conflict and not countries and races ..
    so it could be a tactical exchange of favors ..never forget that iranian regime is an expression of the alliance between theocracy and bazari class (middle bourgeois ) and not the workers class ..on the brief term iran could do some tactical positive politics , but on the long term the conflict of class will arise,, since the final conflict is between Socialism vs capitalism .. workers class vs capitalists . and this is a global conflict ..transnational -
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    I do not speak Farsi and I cannot understand all minute details, but I suspect this guy is as senile as our Biden.

    "‘Americans will be expelled from Iraq and Syria,’ claims Iranian leader"
    I'm sure US authorities dont regard him as senile and they dont take his words lightly. I dont think either his words are to be downplayed. When he says you will leave, it means start packing your bags and look for a dignified exit strategy. Otherwise, in the next 2, 5, 10, 15, 20, 50, 100 years time, it will get messy. Iranians are very patient, and long term planners. Whoever wants the troops to leave will only have to get it right once. Only once and damage is done and we'd start looking for who to blame. And the troops would have to get it right each and every day round the clock to make sure they are safe. Why put the troops in harm's way anyways? Those are my two cents.
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    I'm sure US authorities dont regard him as senile and they dont take his words lightly. I dont think either his words are to be downplayed. When he says you will leave, it means start packing your bags and look for a dignified exit strategy. Otherwise, in the next 2, 5, 10, 15, 20, 50, 100 years time, it will get messy. Iranians are very patient, and long term planners. Whoever wants the troops to leave will only have to get it right once. Only once and damage is done and we'd start looking for who to blame. And the troops would have to get it right each and every day round the clock to make sure they are safe. Why put the troops in harm's way anyways? Those are my two cents.
    "Those are my two cents" - in the meantime ...
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    I do not speak Farsi and I cannot understand all minute details, but I suspect this guy is as senile as our Biden.

    "‘Americans will be expelled from Iraq and Syria,’ claims Iranian leader"
    This is same guy who said Iran vaporized hundreds of American soldiers when the former attacked an American base in Iraq. Either Iran gives in to negotiations, or it will face regime change in the near future.
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    This is same guy who said Iran vaporized hundreds of American soldiers when the former attacked an American base in Iraq. Either Iran gives in to negotiations, or it will face regime change in the near future.
    At this point I cannot even figure out what "Iran gives in to negotiations" might mean.
    I doubt there is anyone who would be stupid enough to trust their promises.

    I'd say "regime change in the near future" is much more preferable, but it is not up to us, it is up to Iranians themselves.
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    At this point I cannot even figure out what "Iran gives in to negotiations" might mean.
    I doubt there is anyone who would be stupid enough to trust their promises.

    I'd say "regime change in the near future" is much more preferable, but it is not up to us, it is up to Iranians themselves.
    Well, Mr. Trump never said he wanted regime change. He’s fine with the Mullahs in charge just so long as both groups work out a deal that is good for both sides, and not just for Iran (as was the case with the Obummer deal).

    The problem is that although Trump is genuine here, the Iranian government has fallen for the MSM narrative that he’s the devil incarnate.

    Like the CCP in China, the Iranian government has become arrogant with all the power that it has amassed in the past decade. They don’t see that with the way they are going now, the trend is not on their side.

    Expecting to wait it out until Trump leaves the White House in 2024 is suicide.
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    Well, Mr. Trump never said he wanted regime change. He’s fine with the Mullahs in charge just so long as both groups work out a deal that is good for both sides, and not just for Iran (as was the case with the Obummer deal).

    The problem is that although Trump is genuine here, the Iranian government has fallen for the MSM narrative that he’s the devil incarnate.

    Like the CCP in China, the Iranian government has become arrogant with all the power that it has amassed in the past decade. They don’t see that with the way they are going now, the trend is not on their side.

    Expecting to wait it out until Trump leaves the White House in 2024 is suicide.
    "Mr. Trump never said he wanted regime change" - of course, if I were in Trump's place I would've said the same thing, realpolitik.
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    "Mr. Trump never said he wanted regime change" - of course, if I were in Trump's place I would've said the same thing, realpolitik.
    The Iranians are still under the impression that Trump is trying to get one over them, given their history as a minority in the region.

    What they can’t see however is that everyone is trying to get one over Trump!
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    The Iranians are still under the impression that Trump is trying to get one over them, given their history as a minority in the region.

    What they can’t see however is that everyone is trying to get one over Trump!
    That's exactly the reason why we probably will never accept Mullahs's claims and promises - mistrust.
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    That's exactly the reason why we probably will never accept Mullahs's claims and promises - mistrust.
    I think that’s because they are essentially on a divine mission, a mission that no one really believes in besides them. America and Trump may not really get that (at least not yet), but that doesn’t give Iranians the right to act arrogant in response to this ignorance.
     
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