Is nabih berri finished?

Jacques Hirac

Jacques Hirac

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Inseparable ? Of course; same as LF and FPM are inseparable as you may find supporters of both parties in the same family.

You may find two brothers where one is HA supporter the other is an Amal supporter; however that does not mean that they like each others.
I think Kataeb and LF would be a better example, common origins etc..
Still they don't always align on things, and they do compete politically
 
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  • SAVO

    SAVO

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    I have never enjoyed any government, political or sectarian favors or privileges. I am born and bred abroad. I only visit Lebanon.

    I do not fancy the communist party or anything communism because it is not our identity as a community. It is a foreign ideology. If we wont adapt to our sectarian identity, then we can adapt to our national identity as Lebanese through a civil state or secularism. Communism isnt an option for me. That is my opinion.
    Khomeinism is a foreign ideology..thats correct.

    Lebanese comunist party which must rappresent the interest of lebanese workers class ,against the interest of lebanese bourgeois , its a 100 % a lebanese comunist ideology ..
    Lebanese leftist and communist have a history than can traced back officialy to1923 the foundation year of the communist party in lebanon ..
    Khomeini was not born yet.. To not talk about the elements of socialism and class struggle of tanios chahin revolution in mount lebanon ..

    If you dont recognize lebanon as a political entity an you want to be referred with your islamic ummah thats another talk. Lebanese comunist recognize lebanon as an enitity and their long term ideological objective ia to build the socialist state in lebanon.that was also the political program of national movement leaded by Kamal junblat .
     
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    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Khomeinism is a foreign ideology..thats correct.

    Lebanese comunist party which must rappresent the interest of lebanese workers class ,against the interest of lebanese bourgeois , its a 100 % a lebanese comunist ideology ..
    Lebanese leftist and communist have a history than can traced back officialy to1923 the foundation year of the communist party in lebanon ..
    Khomeini was not born yet.. To not talk about the elements of socialism and class struggle of tanios chahin revolution in mount lebanon ..

    If you dont recognize lebanon as a political entity an you want to be referred with your islamic ummah thats another talk. Lebanese comunist recognize lebanon as an enitity and their long term ideological objective ia to build the socialist state in lebanon.that was also the political program of national movement leaded by Kamal junblat .
    If you cannot define what "Khomeinism" is, then dont be a loser like our friend who calls himself Picasso. You spread a word but you cant define it. That is an attribute of a loser.

    I am sure you arent blind to read where I said we have a sectarian identity as a community and also a national identity as Lebanese. Trying to erase our national identity and sense of belonging to suit your narrative makes you even a bigger loser than issuing a word whose definition you cant give.
     
    Steven Gerrard

    Steven Gerrard

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    Happened to a friend of mine a few days ago. Berri thugs visited his parent's in the south and threatened them. Tole3 fi tasheboh aseme and he wasn't the guy criticizing Berri. But for the thugs to go and threaten his parents for social media posts is as low as it gets really.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    If you cannot define what "Khomeinism" is, then dont be a loser like our friend who calls himself Picasso. You spread a word but you cant define it. That is an attribute of a loser.

    I am sure you arent blind to read where I said we have a sectarian identity as a community and also a national identity as Lebanese. Trying to erase our national identity and sense of belonging to suit your narrative makes you even a bigger loser than issuing a word whose definition you cant give.

    You just rappresent yourself and not all shia..
    I know many shia who want to be defined anything than shia ( in the strict sense of term ) they put on second and third level of importance their religious appartenance..
    Anyway spirituality is something private.. But in your case i suppose is not only about spirituality and more than identity.. Its more like a clan affiliation.. In all cases good luck .
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    Only hope for the Lebanese Shiite community is a Western-educated Shiite backed by a lot of real wealth.
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    You just rappresent yourself and not all shia..
    I know many shia who want to be defined anything than shia ( in the strict sense of term ) they put on second and third level of importance their religious appartenance..
    Anyway spirituality is something private.. But in your case i suppose is not only about spirituality and more than identity.. Its more like a clan affiliation.. In all cases good luck .
    “More than identity?”

    Identity is all there is.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    You just rappresent yourself and not all shia..
    I know many shia who want to be defined anything than shia ( in the strict sense of term ) they put on second and third level of importance their religious appartenance..
    Anyway spirituality is something private.. But in your case i suppose is not only about spirituality and more than identity.. Its more like a clan affiliation.. In all cases good luck .
    It is "represented" not "rappresented".

    It is not your job to define who or what I am. Political affiliation, and even religious affiliation is a choice. But in your case it feels like it is an obligation to be or to identify with your political line of thinking or political ideology. I do not want to he communist. What is your problem?
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    It is "represented" not "rappresented".

    It is not your job to define who or what I am. Political affiliation, and even religious affiliation is a choice. But in your case it feels like it is an obligation to be or to identify with your political line of thinking or political ideology. I do not want to he communist. What is your problem?

    Im not inviting you to become a comunist..nor i care about it lol ..
    You re making a big mistake here shia dude ... Now you can back to your latem session ..as your identity ritual passage .
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Im not inviting you to become a comunist..nor i care about it lol ..
    You re making a big mistake here shia dude ... Now you can back to your latem session ..as your identity ritual passage .
    Very much proud of my latem. You can go back and be a tankie, you little irrational commie.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Only hope for the Lebanese Shiite community is a Western-educated Shiite backed by a lot of real wealth.
    If you bring a western backed Shiite with lots of billions, that would be very fanciful and attractive at first. But how does he intend to ensure that our land is never again threatened or invaded by Israehell? How would he ensure that Palestinian refugees would leave Lebanon and there would be no naturalisation which will shake our demographics and sectarian balance?These assurances ought to have been given in the 70s ans maybe before. The western world should have put a leash on their Zionist puppy and ask it to respect other nations. You cant pretend today you care about us when the intentions behind your proposals are aimed at weakening us after we used our own hands and depended on God and and ourselves to free our land. How would a western backer Shiite with billions ensure that our voice as a community is not marginalised in a highly sectarian country with roaming racists in suits? Would a western backed Shiite want to create a dynasty to rule us like sheep forever like we have in other communities? In all of Lebanon it is only the Shia, among the major communities, who are not represented by a "ruling family". We have put an end to that long ago. None of our leaders are from political dynasties or feudal families. And we aren't ready to go back to that era of a ruling family.

    There are fundamental questions and guarantees that would need to be answered and to be given for people to even attempt to listen. The concerns are well known and not hard to figure out. If you bring the billions, you will certainly be met with many cheers. But how sustainable would the cheers be when there are major concerns of the largest community in Lebanon. We will NEVER accept to play second fiddle to any Sunni tyrant or Christian king in Lebanon. Lebanon is neither Bahrain nor Bosnia. This is our country before it was ever the country of the Maronite or the Sunni. We are more indigenous than any other community, even if at a later stage in history others had the upper hand to impose themselves on the land through the internmvention of invading empires. Our history stretches from the North to the South and from Beirut to the Beqaa. There is no corner in Lebanon that does not have our breath and footprints. The very neglect of the international community of our concerns and pain was what led to taking up arms to defend our country (and that is human right) and following a particular line of defense and adopting a particular narrative to reach our liberation.

    The international community should not only send the billions, but must treat our concerns with seriousness and respect
    That means no naturalisation for Palestinians and Syrians. No threat of invasion of our land by Israehell. No blackmail and violations of our skies water and land. Also, as a personal view, the system in Lebanon is archaic. Taef has to be fully implemented and the confessional system abolished and buried. Anyone who thinks this racist system is not the cause of all our problems, as much as occupation, is not honest. We have to start de-sectarianization from the ballot boxes. Voters should be seen as Lebanese voters and not as sectarian voters. I, as Lebanese and to stop thinking as a Shia, need a fair non sectarian electoral law with Lebanon as one district and based on proportionality. Each side must represent their size and that is along with peaceful coexistence and respect for one another. We cant coexist while there is injustice at the core, which we are used to pretend does not exist. And if the power we have built to liberate ourselves, not to oppress anyone, your aim is to strip us of it, for what in return? You want to build a modern state, we are for it. We are for it based on social justice, equality and citizens rights under one country. But the old system of first class (Maronites), second class (Sunnis) and third class (Shia) and fourth class (Druze and other minorities) citizens cannot be acceptable for the future. It wont be a modern or sustainable approach and not one that can be used to build a state. If the problems stated are to be treated and rectified, then yes, we have a future to become like any modern day country in Europe - like Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium, Holland etc. But if the foundations of our statehood are sectarian discrimination coupled with foreign threats, we wont ever be free from conflicts. We wont have peace internally and we wont be able to give peace externally. You cant give what you do not have.
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    If you bring a western backed Shiite with lots of billions, that would be very fanciful and attractive at first. But how does he intend to ensure that our land is never again threatened or invaded by Israehell? How would he ensure that Palestinian refugees would leave Lebanon and there would be no naturalisation which will shake our demographics and sectarian balance?These assurances ought to have been given in the 70s ans maybe before. The western world should have put a leash on their Zionist puppy and ask it to respect other nations. You cant pretend today you care about us when the intentions behind your proposals are aimed at weakening us after we used our own hands and depended on God and and ourselves to free our land. How would a western backer Shiite with billions ensure that our voice as a community is not marginalised in a highly sectarian country with roaming racists in suits? Would a western backed Shiite want to create a dynasty to rule us like sheep forever like we have in other communities? In all of Lebanon it is only the Shia, among the major communities, who are not represented by a "ruling family". We have put an end to that long ago. None of our leaders are from political dynasties or feudal families. And we aren't ready to go back to that era of a ruling family.

    There are fundamental questions and guarantees that would need to be answered and to be given for people to even attempt to listen. The concerns are well known and not hard to figure out. If you bring the billions, you will certainly be met with many cheers. But how sustainable would the cheers be when there are major concerns of the largest community in Lebanon. We will NEVER accept to play second fiddle to any Sunni tyrant or Christian king in Lebanon. Lebanon is neither Bahrain nor Bosnia. This is our country before it was ever the country of the Maronite or the Sunni. We are more indigenous than any other community, even if at a later stage in history others had the upper hand to impose themselves on the land through the internmvention of invading empires. Our history stretches from the North to the South and from Beirut to the Beqaa. There is no corner in Lebanon that does not have our breath and footprints. The very neglect of the international community of our concerns and pain was what led to taking up arms to defend our country (and that is human right) and following a particular line of defense and adopting a particular narrative to reach our liberation.

    The international community should not only send the billions, but must treat our concerns with seriousness and respect
    That means no naturalisation for Palestinians and Syrians. No threat of invasion of our land by Israehell. No blackmail and violations of our skies water and land. Also, as a personal view, the system in Lebanon is archaic. Taef has to be fully implemented and the confessional system abolished and buried. Anyone who thinks this racist system is not the cause of all our problems, as much as occupation, is not honest. We have to start de-sectarianization from the ballot boxes. Voters should be seen as Lebanese voters and not as sectarian voters. I, as Lebanese and to stop thinking as a Shia, need a fair non sectarian electoral law with Lebanon as one district and based on proportionality. Each side must represent their size and that is along with peaceful coexistence and respect for one another. We cant coexist while there is injustice at the core, which we are used to pretend does not exist. And if the power we have built to liberate ourselves, not to oppress anyone, your aim is to strip us of it, for what in return? You want to build a modern state, we are for it. We are for it based on social justice, equality and citizens rights under one country. But the old system of first class (Maronites), second class (Sunnis) and third class (Shia) and fourth class (Druze and other minorities) citizens cannot be acceptable for the future. It wont be a modern or sustainable approach and not one that can be used to build a state. If the problems stated are to be treated and rectified, then yes, we have a future to become like any modern day country in Europe - like Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium, Holland etc. But if the foundations of our statehood are sectarian discrimination coupled with foreign threats, we wont ever be free from conflicts. We wont have peace internally and we wont be able to give peace externally. You cant give what you do not have.
    In terms of the “old system,” you are correct, it cannot continue indefinitely.

    However, this cannot allow us to overlook the fact that every individual sect in Lebanon has its own beneficial (and not so beneficial) traits.

    In respect to the Shiite community, it places more value and emphasis on non-temporal notions such as “honor” and “respect.” There’s nothing wrong with that. However, they are lacking in areas that require financial prowess, and that’s mostly due to them occupying the role of farmer for centuries, as opposed to their Sunni and Christian counterparts who have an established history in merchanting.

    A Shiite politician backed by a lot of wealth is more able to represent all sides of the Lebanese equation. He would be able to understand the major concerns that the general Shiite community has, but still be able to reconcile those views (somehow) with the “I love life” crowd.

    The Shiite community in Lebanon (as it currently is) is not ready to rule. They are too insecure and unsure of themselves. They lack professionalism and have too much pride. An outside Shiite with billions can instill much needed confidence into the community (and the country as a whole).
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    In terms of the “old system,” you are correct, it cannot continue indefinitely.

    However, this cannot allow us to overlook the fact that every individual sect in Lebanon has its own beneficial (and not so beneficial) traits.

    In respect to the Shiite community, it places more value and emphasis on non-temporal notions such as “honor” and “respect.” There’s nothing wrong with that. However, they are lacking in areas that require financial prowess, and that’s mostly due to them occupying the role of farmer for centuries, as opposed to their Sunni and Christian counterparts who have an established history in merchanting.

    A Shiite politician backed by a lot of wealth is more able to represent all sides of the Lebanese equation. He would be able to understand the major concerns that the general Shiite community has, but still be able to reconcile those views (somehow) with the “I love life” crowd.

    The Shiite community in Lebanon (as it currently is) is not ready to rule. They are too insecure and unsure of themselves. They lack professionalism and have too much pride. An outside Shiite with billions can instill much needed confidence into the community (and the country as a whole).
    Am I fit for that role? I am an "outside Shiite" and Nabih Berri is also an "outside Shiite". :lol:
     
    NewLeb

    NewLeb

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    Am I fit for that role? I am an "outside Shiite" and Nabih Berri is also an "outside Shiite". :lol:
    Did Berri live and study and experience life outside of Lebanon (specifically in the West) for a considerable period of time?

    Anyone is fit for that role... but how often does it happen that a Lebanese returns to Lebanon with billions of dollars, and a determined drive to change things for the better? That’s right.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Did Berri live and study and experience life outside of Lebanon (specifically in the West) for a considerable period of time?

    Anyone is fit for that role... but how often does it happen that a Lebanese returns to Lebanon with billions of dollars, and a determined drive to change things for the better? That’s right.
    I believe he studied in the US.
    There is nothing wrong in spearheading change, if the change is positive.
     
    NAFAR

    NAFAR

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    Berri is stronger than ever........as long as the majority of shi3as support HA and HA supports Berri then Berri is fine.
    Only when the majority of shi3a revolt against Berri and his militia.....Beriri will be over.
     
    I

    illusion84

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    In terms of the “old system,” you are correct, it cannot continue indefinitely.

    However, this cannot allow us to overlook the fact that every individual sect in Lebanon has its own beneficial (and not so beneficial) traits.

    In respect to the Shiite community, it places more value and emphasis on non-temporal notions such as “honor” and “respect.” There’s nothing wrong with that. However, they are lacking in areas that require financial prowess, and that’s mostly due to them occupying the role of farmer for centuries, as opposed to their Sunni and Christian counterparts who have an established history in merchanting.

    A Shiite politician backed by a lot of wealth is more able to represent all sides of the Lebanese equation. He would be able to understand the major concerns that the general Shiite community has, but still be able to reconcile those views (somehow) with the “I love life” crowd.

    The Shiite community in Lebanon (as it currently is) is not ready to rule. They are too insecure and unsure of themselves. They lack professionalism and have too much pride. An outside Shiite with billions can instill much needed confidence into the community (and the country as a whole).
    it is more accurate to say that HA is not ready to rule they are well organised and I'm sure that they are able to rule; but not ready yet.

    Ruling a country means that you have to deal with external power; stop being a militia/revolution/resistance and transform yourself into a normal political party.

    HA is still in a revolutionary state; and it prefers to stay as a non state actor ...

    As for Berri and his goons they are more like a leach than men of state! same as the rest of the so called lebanese politicians.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    Am I fit for that role? I am an "outside Shiite" and Nabih Berri is also an "outside Shiite". :lol:

    i will rule the shia :D

    my first rule is that they will stop of being shia...mass convertion to atheism and odinism .. and education camps chinese style ( the same one that @Isabella was nagging about )
     
    mariob2

    mariob2

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    I believe he studied in the US.
    There is nothing wrong in spearheading change, if the change is positive.
    My father studied law at the Lebanese University and then the Beirut Arab Open University. Nabih Berri was his peer throughout the years he was in LU. He told me Berri was amongst the slackers and always an opportunist, running with different political parties and opting to change allegiance when the chosen party loses momentum during elections. His luck struck when he ran with Amal ...
    (Objectively speaking, my father has no hidden political agenda, and does not need to distort the truth for a certain narrative. I believed him when he told me about Berri. Feel free not to)

    Berri could not have been to the States. He does not speak proper English.

    And with regards to your previous post concerning the plight of the Shia community and the wish to build a Secular State in which equality reigns among its citizens, while your words would have touched the hearts of those that are less blind than the rest, need I remind you that HA are covering for Berri and his web of rot and corruption? His presence is thanks to HA's continuous protection. And that protection is against every intention of building a State.

    Whether you like it or not, while I admire and hope the so-called wishes of HA are realized if they are truly well-intentioned and sincere, forgive me for stating that their honesty can be found lacking. No alliance with Berri can be justified. His mere existence and his empire are an affront to not only the Resistance, Imam Moussa al Sadr's teachings or the eventual State we so much crave, but also to the very concepts of Justice and Reason.

    ****ing protect the people from within not only from without.

    Time is ticking and Berri will be kicking. Let it be remembered that, when eventually his corruption files are opened and fully investigated, that those in power and his allies fully committed to protecting him and consciously omitted to prosecute him.

    Ya lil 3ar
     
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