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They can talk. They have immunity
OK, then let see if they will.
They can talk. They have immunity
I don’t engage with your likes... 2ila mazbalit il forumStop with your stupid comments. All your arguments are based on fabricated case.
Nope, per the law he does not nor does anyone if the government approves the talks..."it is by no means an indicator of whether or not lebanon wants peace or war"
OK, here is hypothetical situation:
Your PM wants to talk to Israeli PM to discuss Lebanon's peace proposal.
My question - if he talks will he go to jail just as this girl did?
Nope, per the law he does not nor does anyone if the government approves the talks...
Agree, on the one hand lebanon is in shambles and we can’t agree one single thing, and Israel on the other hand has no interest in any peace where it needs to give concessions as it has everything it wants now...OK, then we should not expect any Israel-Lebanon agreement any time soon - pretty much my point of view as well.
Agree, on the one hand lebanon is in shambles and we can’t agree one single thing, and Israel on the other hand has no interest in any peace where it needs to give concessions as it has everything it wants now...
Ministers and first category such as the President have immunity. They can talk to anyone they wish.Nope, per the law he does not nor does anyone if the government approves the talks...
Israel has a lot to offer but lebanon does not...Ministers and first category such as the President have immunity. They can talk to anyone they wish.
The issue is not there - what does Israel has to offer ? Why don’t the Israelis publicly offer a peace plan that would be acceptable for the population? Lebanon’s politicians don’t give a damn of good relationships or development, all what they care about is cash
PMs do not have immunity. If the PM or FM wants to hold talks with his Israeli counterpart, he or she needs a mandate from the cabinet beforehand.They can talk. They have immunity
I don't think Israel has any emotional or strategic desire to hold onto territories like the Shebaa Farms that Lebanon claims, but the repatriation of Palestinian refugees would probably be unwanted.Ministers and first category such as the President have immunity. They can talk to anyone they wish.
The issue is not there - what does Israel has to offer ? Why don’t the Israelis publicly offer a peace plan that would be acceptable for the population? Lebanon’s politicians don’t give a damn of good relationships or development, all what they care about is cash
its more complex. first i dont think Israel wants or needs to make an offer, it has nothing to gain and lots to lose in today's context.I don't think Israel has any emotional or strategic desire to hold onto territories like the Shebaa Farms that Lebanon claims, but the repatriation of Palestinian refugees would probably be unwanted.
I think Israel doesn't attempt to publicly make the first move is that it knows that Lebanon is a vetocracy and there is no way Lebanon's cabinet and parliament would approve a peace deal, and frankly Lebanese public opinion wouldn't want a peace deal even if Lebanese had a democratic, majoritarian government.
Israel might believe that the sketch of a plan would be negotiating with itself and perhaps showing weakness. Since Hassad Nasrallah has said "Israeli society is a spider's web," Israel might not want to feed into an impression that it is unwilling to fight, if necessary.
As it happens, Israel did make an offer to help Lebanon after the August 4th explosion by taking Lebanese into Israel's hospitals, but Lebanon never responded. I would think that the non-response indicates that a public Israeli offer would not go anywhere.
It was a generous offer from Israel and definitely conquered hearts but Lebanon in general has a strong medical system, excellent doctors and hospitals. This will change though in the near future as we are bankrupt but until now the system is holding.I don't think Israel has any emotional or strategic desire to hold onto territories like the Shebaa Farms that Lebanon claims, but the repatriation of Palestinian refugees would probably be unwanted.
I think Israel doesn't attempt to publicly make the first move is that it knows that Lebanon is a vetocracy and there is no way Lebanon's cabinet and parliament would approve a peace deal, and frankly Lebanese public opinion wouldn't want a peace deal even if Lebanese had a democratic, majoritarian government.
Israel might believe that the sketch of a plan would be negotiating with itself and perhaps showing weakness. Since Hassad Nasrallah has said "Israeli society is a spider's web," Israel might not want to feed into an impression that it is unwilling to fight, if necessary.
As it happens, Israel did make an offer to help Lebanon after the August 4th explosion by taking Lebanese into Israel's hospitals, but Lebanon never responded. I would think that the non-response indicates that a public Israeli offer would not go anywhere.
Not true. Lebanese are intelligent and educated people please don’t compare us to Yemen or Afghanistan. People definitely want peace but not at any cost. HA is the first one who needs peace as can’t survive in its current form.I don't think Israel has any emotional or strategic desire to hold onto territories like the Shebaa Farms that Lebanon claims, but the repatriation of Palestinian refugees would probably be unwanted.
I think Israel doesn't attempt to publicly make the first move is that it knows that Lebanon is a vetocracy and there is no way Lebanon's cabinet and parliament would approve a peace deal, and frankly Lebanese public opinion wouldn't want a peace deal even if Lebanese had a democratic, majoritarian government.
Israel might believe that the sketch of a plan would be negotiating with itself and perhaps showing weakness. Since Hassad Nasrallah has said "Israeli society is a spider's web," Israel might not want to feed into an impression that it is unwilling to fight, if necessary.
As it happens, Israel did make an offer to help Lebanon after the August 4th explosion by taking Lebanese into Israel's hospitals, but Lebanon never responded. I would think that the non-response indicates that a public Israeli offer would not go anywhere.
its more complex. first i dont think Israel wants or needs to make an offer, it has nothing to gain and lots to lose in today's context.
second, I agree Lebanon today would refuse any peace agreement because HA is able to kill it at each level of the state, and irrespective of any other group's opinion. HA would do that because they have no intention of letting go of their weapons, and a peace treaty would remove the official cover story.
unfortunately, peace can only happen once Lebanon has a strong enough state and a minimum of trust between the communities.
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