Israel launches operation to expose and thwart hizbullah tunnels

Indie

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Not to Israel but to the Galilee, which was annexed by Israel in 1949, but actually not recognized internationally as part of The Jewish State according to Resolution 181 of 1947, which demarcated the border of the state of of Israel.
This annexation is core to the Palestinian refugee problem in Lebanon and should be the ground of negotiating peace with Israel by the impotent Lebanese government. Security Council
Resolution 73 of 1949, which demarcated the armistice's line also demanded the return of these refugees by means of negotiations. But Israel doesn't want to negotiate and we have Hezbollah wanting to resolve this problem by war because Lebanon never had a competent government.
You never solve anything by war. The only legitimate reason to engage in war is self-defense from direct attack.
 
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    Yes, and the tunnels start directly from the Christian villages close to the border, the same places they are stocking their missiles.
    Why are the Christian villages allowing this?
     
    Mighty Goat

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    Then stop justifying HA's actions in this case.
    I am telling what exists objectively. I am not a propagandist. I see facts. I speak about facts. Only facts bring a civilized discussion for peace.

    I know that Hezbollah is here because of an existing conflict which is factual. My Israeli friends also know the facts. I hope one day Hezbollah and my friends in Israel will make peace and eat shawerma together.
     
    kmarthe

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    We are enemies, and when we have enemies, we need to get every advantage that we can lay our hands on, this is how things go all over the world, nothing new. This is the only way to prevent war.
    What is the advantage of having another war now? HA is paralyzing the government already which is more dangerous than a war because it is leading the country to crumble. Both HA and Israhell are harming the country with the difference that one is supposedly a Lebanese party while the other is your enemy.... I lost hope in HA behaving as Lebanese citizens, they are and will always be affiliated with the Umma, so on the long run nothing positive can come out of them in terms of building an independent and prosperous state :)
     
    Danny Z

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    You never solve anything by war. The only legitimate reason to engage in war is self-defense from direct attack.
    It is not true, most conflicts in the world were solved with nothing but war, nazism was defeated by war, expansionist France under Napoleon, the American independence, Sri Lanka never ending conflict. Of course there are also conflicts that were never solved by war but by negotiations, but only when the cost of war becomes bigger than the cost of peace that people start thinking of other options.
    Right now the cost of Peace with Israel to HA is not only that Palestinians will stay in lebanon and Sunnis will become more than shiaa if they become Lebanese but also the fact that HA military branch will disappear and maybe the whole raison d'etre of the party. So the cost is very high for them that's why they do not want peace. On Israel's side the price of peace is not taking back the refugies, so war for them costs less so they are not looking for peace with Lebanon on the terms of taking the Palestinians back, so the status quo is good for them.
    The only way to get peace is having the international community solve the réfugies problem and force it on both Lebanon and Israel, if the world for example sanctions Israel for it apartheid like it did to Africa, the economy would become unbearable that the price of peace will be cheaper than war. And if they take them out Lebanon, HA can slowly move to become a political party like the IRA without fearing the sunnis will outnumber shiaa because of naturalizing Palestinians.
     
    Danny Z

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    Of course it is. But do you really think a militia bypassing the Lebanese government and digging tunnels into another country is acceptable? Do you really think those tunnels will have any positive effect on Lebanon?
    Israel is not another country to Lebanon, Israel does not exist as an entity for Lebanon, South of Lebanon there is Palestine occupied by Israel, that's is the official position of Lebanon. Actually it would have been south of Litani who would be occupied had it not been of HA. These are facts, we might like them or not, but the facts are that HA kicked Israel out. Negotiations, 17 ayyar, ittifek soulesi, Syrian SAMs and all the shitty attempts before that never worked. If HA hadn't kicked them out, they wouldn't have been as popular as they are today with the Shiaa, Amal would still be the popular group. HA is worried of Israel who always plays the drums of war and keeps flying planes over Lebanon everyday bombs HA in Syria, so they get prepared for the worse do you blame them? The fact that the border has been calm for 12 years is because israel is afraid of HA, and that HA is afraid of Israel. This so far worked as calm war, very similar to South and North Korea "ongoing" war, where peace has never really occured.

    All HA are doing with their anti-Israel hatred is prolong hostilities between the two countries. They have no right to take Lebanon into their schemes. The only thing Lebanon should be concerned with is finding a diplomatic solution to get Palestinian refugees out of Lebanon. The rest is between Palestinians and Israelis.
    Diplomatic how? Talk to whom, Israel has already said a million times this is a non starter for them. As long the international community doesn't address this point nothing will change.
     
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    Danny Z

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    >> Attack tunnels drom Lebanon: Israel robs Hezbollah of major offensive AssetNetanyahu's meeting with Pompeo is a warning to Iran and Lebanon - before Israel takes military action

    Israel has warned Lebanon and UNIFIL, the United Nations peacekeeping mission in South Lebanon, that anyone who approaches the area puts himself in danger, Manelis said.

    He added that the tunnel revealed on Tuesday was dug from a private home in Kafr Kila in southern Lebanon. It took two years to build, he said, and stretches some 200 meters – 40 of which are inside Israeli territory.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    If they have these tunnels dug since that long, does that mean that HA soldiers could be living in Israel and spying on them?
     
    Mighty Goat

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    Of course it is. But do you really think a militia bypassing the Lebanese government and digging tunnels into another country is acceptable? Do you really think those tunnels will have any positive effect on Lebanon?
    This is because as you said Israel is a state but Lebanon is not. Lebanon is composed of sectarian militias, where at this point in history Hezbollah is the most powerful militia. In the old days it was LF, and SLA.
    Lebanon is just not a country yet and it will never become one because the Lebanese are not a people who share common dreams and objectives. The Lebanese are a bunch of antagonist sects who all hate each other.
     
    Ice Tea

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    Christian villages in South Lebanon are more supportive of HA than Shi'a and Druze.
    Lol, most Christians in the far South have relatives who were part of SLA who had to flee to Israel because of HA. We're talking about 10k Christians here, that's roughly 1/5 of all the Christian population in the South.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    Lol, most Christians in the far South have relatives who were part of SLA who had to flee to Israel because of HA. We're talking about 10k Christians here, that's roughly 1/5 of all the Christian population in the South.
    We live in 2018.
     
    Ice Tea

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    We live in 2018.
    I'm sure the Christians in the South whose relatives were forced to leave to another country do love HA. :lol:

    WAKE UP TO REALITY, the Christians in the South all have a Brigitte Gabriel-like mentality.
     
    Mighty Goat

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    I'm sure the Christians in the South whose relatives were forced to leave to another country do love HA. :lol:

    WAKE UP TO REALITY, the Christians in the South all have a Brigitte Gabriel-like mentality.
    Do you have evidence of this argument?
     
    Mysobalanus

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    There's early reports of a an Israeli camera in one of the tunnels exploding when Hezbollah terrorists discovered it.
     
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