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    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    A policy that contradicts the basic notions of Human Rights.
    Not at all, HR applies only to state powers, not private entities.


    Well until we have some information that shows action has been taken, we'll have to assume that it hasn't.
    In other words you do not have a proof and subsequently a case.


    No, it's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
    On the contrary, it is very much relevant.
     
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    Jeepers

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    Not at all, HR applies only to state powers, not private entities.
    But the Jewish National Fund owns around 15% of Israeli public land. And they only allow Jews to live on said land.

    Imagine an organization in America owning 15% of American land, and only allows whites to buy said land.

    By the way, the JNF is not a private entity, but a non-profit organization.

    In other words you do not have a proof and subsequently a case.
    No, I provided my evidence. According to the report, the government has yet to implement the recommendations. It is upon you to show us that they did, otherwise we can assume that they have yet to do so. So far, you have just given us unsubstantiated excuses.

    On the contrary, it is very much relevant.
    It isn't any more relevant than a robber on trial complaining that other robbers have stolen much more than he did.
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    But the Jewish National Fund owns around 15% of Israeli public land. And they only allow Jews to live on said land.

    Imagine an organization in America owning 15% of American land, and only allows whites to buy said land.
    I believe this has already been answered in earlier posts.


    By the way, the JNF is not a private entity, but a non-profit organization.
    "non-prifit" does not mean "not private".

    In fact it means exactly this - non-profit survives on private donations.


    No, I provided my evidence. According to the report, the government has yet to implement the recommendations. It is upon you to show us that they did, otherwise we can assume that they have yet to do so. So far, you have just given us unsubstantiated excuses.
    You provided accusation and baseless conclusion that suits you.

    Still, Palestinians are very quick to blame Israel and never say a good word about she.

    If accusation stops it means only one thing - it is no longer possible to prove Israel's "wrongdoing".

    In our example surely you wouldn't expect Palestinians praise Israel for doing the right thing, but Palestinians are not talking about it either.

    Hence, problem has been fixed.


    It isn't any more relevant than a robber on trial complaining that other robbers have stolen much more than he did.
    Looks like you are losing it.

    Anyway, speaking of robbers.

    If you truly seek peace in the Middle East, then you must support the idea where all people live in their own lands - Arabs go to Arabia and Jews go to Judea.
     
    EuroMode

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    US Could Free Israeli Spy In Deal To Salvage Israel-Palestine Peace Talks



    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli spy serving a life sentence in the United States and groups of Palestinian prisoners could be freed under an emerging deal to salvage Middle East peace talks, sources close to the negotiations said on Monday.
    The sources, who spoke as U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry prepared to meet Israeli and Palestinian leaders, said under the proposed arrangement that Jonathan Pollard, a former U.S. Navy analyst caught spying for Israel in the 1980s, could be released by mid-April.

    In addition, Israel would go ahead with a promised release of a fourth group of Palestinians, among the 104 it pledged to free in a deal that led to the renewal of peace talks last July. Another group of jailed Palestinians would also go free - and the peace talks would be extended beyond an April 29 deadline, the sources said.


    source businessinsider
     
    EuroMode

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    Israel scraps the release of Palestine prisoners as talks are 'reviewed'

    Officials blame Mahmoud Abbas's decision to restart his country's push for membership of 15 international bodies



    Israel scrapped the scheduled release of a group of Palestinian prisoners and called for the entire US-sponsored negotiations to be "reviewed", in what could be a fatal blow to the current round of Middle East peace talks,

    Officials blamed the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and his decision to restart his push for membership of 15 UN bodies for the move, which was itself a Palestinian response to delays and wrangling over the prisoners' release.

    The announcement marks the abandonment of the two key confidence-building measures put in place eight months to smooth the path of renewed peace negotiations between the sides in search of a two-state solution.

    Last year, the Palestinians agreed to suspend a campaign for unilateral recognition at the UN bodies in exchange for the Israel releasing 104 prisoners who had been jailed before the Oslo Peace Process. The last and most controversial group had been scheduled for freedom last weekend but were never released.

    The moves come amid evidence of mounting US impatience with both sides over the breakdown of the talks with US officials criticising the "unhelpful, unilateral actions" and US Secretary of State John Kerry demanding that both sides show leadership.

    Kerry called it a "critical moment" for the peace process but vowed to continue his efforts "no matter what." Speaking during a visit to Algeria, he added: "You can facilitate, you can push, you can nudge, but the parties themselves have to make fundamental decisions and compromises. The leaders have to lead and they have to be able to see a moment when it's there."

    The White House spokesman, Jay Carney, said any delay in the release of a fresh round of Palestinian prisoners "creates challenges" but that "dialogue remains open."

    The announcement of the cancellation of the prisoner release was made in a statement by the Israeli negotiator and justice minister, Tzipi Livni, which claimed that the Israeli government had been working to finalise the agreement to free the prisoners when Abbas signed letters of accessions to 15 international conventions.

    The Palestinian president said his actions were a response to Israel's failure to release prisoners as promised.

    Israeli officials said they had formally requested Abbas to rescind the applications to join the 15 international bodies or face punitive measures. Livni said the prisoner release was contingent on the Palestinians refraining from making unilateral moves. She said that "new conditions were established and Israel cannot release the fourth batch of prisoners."

    The latest moves come as Palestinian officials have reportedly threatened to seek membership of the International Criminal Court in addition to the other bodies, amid mounting recriminations on both sides.

    The cancellation came a day after an acrimonious eight-hour meeting chaired by the US special envoy, Martin Indyk. According to unconfirmed reports from that meeting, Livni and the lead Palestinian negotiator traded threats over the consequences of the breakdown.

    Palestinian sources told the Ma'an news agency that the meeting, which broke up at four in the morning, had degenerated into a "fierce political battle" in which Livni threatened to impose "endless sanctions" on the Palestinians, while Saeb Erekat threatened Palestinians would go the International Criminal Court at the Hague to try Israeli leaders as "war criminals".

    Kerry's account of the meeting depicted it in less furious terms, saying there had been progress on "some of the questions that have arisen as a result of the events of the last few days. But there is a still a gap and that gap will have to be closed and closed very soon."

    The prisoner issue is an emotional one for Palestinians after decades of conflict with Israel. Palestinians generally view them as heroes, regardless of the reason for their imprisonment. Israelis mostly view them as terrorists.

    source Guardian
     
    NewB

    NewB

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    [Graphic Warning] HAMAS TORTURING/EXECUTING IJ MEMBERS - ISRAELI STYLE (literally).


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    Jnoubiyeh

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    NewB, I'm curious, how do we know those are IJ members? And are these new? The problem is that this Tamarrod group in Gaza is a bit fishy, nobody knows who exactly they are that's why i'm suspicious
     
    NewB

    NewB

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    NewB, I'm curious, how do we know those are IJ members? And are these new? The problem is that this Tamarrod group in Gaza is a bit fishy, nobody knows who exactly they are that's why i'm suspicious
    Hamas has been dropped by Iran and they are strengthening the Islamic Jihad instead. After IJ fired rockets into Israel hamas went on an arrest spree....the news was confirmed from both palestinian and israeli sources.
     
    EuroMode

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    Israeli police block U.N. envoy during procession with Palestinian Christians

    Jerusalem (CNN) -- Israeli security forces halted Palestinian Christians -- joined by a U.N. envoy -- participating a pre-Easter procession Saturday in Jerusalem's Old City, an action the envoy sharply criticized but that an Israeli official dismissed as a "non-event."

    Robert Serry, the U.N. special coordinator for the Middle East peace process, was among a large, tightly packed group trying to walk together on what is Holy Saturday on the Christian calendar. A woman yells out at one point, "They are preventing us from accessing our churches to pray."

    Some time later, the people are stopped by security forces. Barricades are set up, only to be picked up and taken away. There's also some pushing and shoving before the scene eventually calms down.

    The special coordinator's office explained that the group had intended to move from the area's New Gate to the Holy Sepulchre "at the invitation of the Palestinian Christian community in Jerusalem." It said the group had been earlier given "assurances ... of unhindered access," only to have "the Israeli police refuse ... to allow such entry claiming they had orders to that effect."

    Serry expressed "dismay" over the incident, adding, "I call on all parties to respect the right of religious freedom, granting access to holy sites for worshippers of all faiths and refraining from provocations, not least during the religious holidays."

    Yet Israel's government saw the matter in a different light.

    Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor -- in a message retweeted by Israel Defense Forces spokesman Peter Lerner -- said, "UN envoy #RobertSerry shows poor judgment in fabricating an incident out of a non-event, mishandling sensitive issue of religious freedom."

    Palmor told the Jerusalem Post that police were acting to limit the number of those packed into the church and the narrow streets around it, dismissing what happened as "a micro-incident."

    This incident is not Serry's first run-in with authorities: The U.N. envoy said he was threatened by armed men in Crimea, which broke away from Ukraine and joined Russia.

    Whatever its origins or conclusions, Saturday's ordeal did not prevent other activities in and around the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, which is where many Christians believe Jesus was buried and rose from the dead.

    On Saturday, the church once again was home to the Holy Fire ceremony, including the sight of dozens of people holding candles or small torches.

    source cnn
     
    Robin Hood

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    Bill to grant Christian Arabs independent status raises ire
    Israeli-Arab MKs pan proposal to allow a separate representative on advisory board, saying it comes at expense of Muslims
    By Marissa Newman February 6, 2014, 9:59 pm 13

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    MK Hanin Zoabi of the Arab Balad party seen during a plenum session in the Knesset on April 29, 2013 (photo credit: Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)
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    A fierce debate on the status of Christian-Arabs as a distinct minority erupted in a Labor, Welfare and Health Committee meeting in the Knesset on Wednesday, during which Israeli-Arab MKs accused Likud MK Yariv Levin of undermining Arab identity and creating a split in the Arab community.

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    The discussion revolved around a new bill sponsored by Levin that aims to add a separate Israeli Christian Arab representative to the panel of Advisory Committee for Equal Opportunity in the Employment Commission. The proposed legislation, which passed in its first reading, would constitute the first legal differentiation between Israel’s Muslim and Christians Arabs.

    “The legislation would give separate representation and separate consideration to the Christian population, that will separate them from Muslim Arabs,” Levin told Maariv a few months ago. “It’s a historic and important step that could balance the State of Israel and connect us to the Christians, and I am careful not to refer to them as Arabs, because they are not Arabs.”

    The Christian Arabs, “our natural allies,” differ from the Muslims “who want to destroy the state from within,” Levin said.

    Israeli-Arabs MKs panned the bill, and said it underlies a desire to advance the legal status of Christian Arabs in Israel, at the expense of Muslims.

    “Levin wants to divide the Arab public, which is already oppressed. We won’t be his slaves,” MK Jamal Zahalke of the Balad party said.

    “If you want to fix the injustices of the Christians, bring them back to the villages Ikrit and Bir’am,” Balad MK Hanin Zoabi said. Zoabi was later asked to leave the room for her comments.

    Lt. (res.) Shadi Halul, who heads the Christian IDF Officers Forum, and was present at the debate called the Arab MKs “racists.”

    “I’m proud to be Christian. We have a right to self-definition as well; we are entitled to recognition,” he said.

    “We are supporting this bill,” Halul told the Times of Israel in an e-mail interview. “It makes justice for Christian needs and solves discrimination against them within the Arab community that the state has falsely put them in for 65 years.”

    “Christians have their own historical identity and heritage with a destiny different from Arabs and Muslims,” he continued. “If something happened to our beloved country Israel, we as Christians will have a harmful destiny, as we see now in Syria, with massacres, rape,church destruction, like what happened in Lebanon and Iraq before. We deserve the right to self-representation and identity with legal Christian representatives that understand our needs, to stop discrimination…”

    “We pray this bill will pass successfully,” Halul added. “We need it for a better future.”

    There are 161,000 Christians living in Israel. Nearly 80 percent of them are of Arab origin, with the remainder largely hailing from the former Soviet states. For years, the majority group — which has included an Israel Prize-winning author and a Supreme Court justice as well as an unswervingly anti-Zionist member of Knesset – has maintained a European birth rate and the top position on Israel’s scholastic achievement charts. But it has often identified, first, as Arabs and Palestinians – nearly all live in majority Muslim towns and villages – and only after as Israelis, certainly in all matters pertaining to compulsory military service.

    In a move some attribute to the sectarian violence associated with the Arab Spring, Israel’s Christian Arabs have increasingly sounded calls for an identity distinct from the country’s majority-Muslim Arab society, with an emphasis on their ties to the Israeli state. In July, Israeli Christians banded together to create a new political party called “Sons of the New Testament.” The party encourages enlistment in the IDF and full integration into Israeli society.

    In addition, 2013 saw a threefold increase in IDF enlistment among the Christian population.

    Mitch Ginsburg contributed to this report

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    Published on Apr 24, 2014 RAP NEWS 24: ISRAEL & PALESTINE [S02:E04]. Decades of failed peace talks have led nowhere. But do not lose hope just yet: join Robert Foster as he attempts to host the first ever Middle East Peace Raps, using rhyme and reason to bring together Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu, and a representative of Hamas. We investigate the key arguments, counter-arguments and ad-hominems from both sides. But the picture would not be complete without a thorough discussion of "America's last taboo", as Edward Said once referred to it: the USA's role as Israel's best (and only) buddy in the world (Ok, together with Australia). Featuring special cameos from prominent American Jewish scholar, Dr. Norman Finkelstein, and Palestinian rap legends, DAM, this is an episode for the ages. Join us as we bravely (or perhaps stupidly) take on one of the most bitter, divisive and controversial conflicts of our times: Israel & Palestine.

    Written & created by Giordano Nanni & Hugo Farrant in a suburban backyard home studio in Melbourne, Australia, on Wurundjeri Land.
     
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    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    It is obvious that Arabs and Jews are not willing to live together, so let's keep them segregated.

    I think instead of making videos we should propose rational and fair solution where:

    Arabs of Judea go back to Arabia and Jews of Arabia go back to Judea.
     
    Walidos

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    It is obvious that Arabs and Jews are not willing to live together, so let's keep them segregated.

    I think instead of making videos we should propose rational and fair solution where:

    Arabs of Judea go back to Arabia and Jews of Arabia go back to Judea.
    how about people live in their country of origin irrespective of their religion? sa7i7 inkoun racists!
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    how about people live in their country of origin irrespective of their religion? sa7i7 inkoun racists!
    OK, for those who are exceptionally gifted I repeat again - Arabs of Judea go back to Arabia and Jews of Arabia go back to Judea.

    Oh, and irrespective of their religion too.
     
    Walidos

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    OK, for those who are exceptionally gifted I repeat again - Arabs of Judea go back to Arabia and Jews of Arabia go back to Judea.

    Oh, and irrespective of their religion too.
    seems you are the one who is exceptionally gifted... how about the americans of chinese origin go back to china, or brazilians of lebanese descent go back to Lebanon, or lebanese of armenian descent go back to armenia... seruously deranged people!
     
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