Israel - Palestine peace process

Steven Gerrard

Steven Gerrard

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Israel has peace and getting more and more secure even as we speak.

As to my stupid rhetoric, the moment you decided to throw Jews into the sea all bets went off.

Now you are living with consequences of your smart rhetoric.
Stop painting everyone with the same brush. Not all wanted Jews out of their communities, only extremists with extremist agendas wanted that.
 
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  • Ice Tea

    Ice Tea

    Active Member
    Your scientific consensus is way off

    Read the study published by Pierre Zalloua

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8
    New scientific study indicates genetic continuity in the Levant | LAU News



    "In this pioneering study, the scientists sequenced whole genomes of five Canaanite individuals who lived 4,000 years ago in Sidon, a major Canaanite city-state. They also sequenced the genomes of 99 Lebanese, and analyzed the genetic relationship between ancient Canaanites and modern-day Lebanese. The results indicated that Bronze Age Canaanite-related ancestry was widespread in the region, particularly in Sidon and Jordan.

    Furthermore, DNA analysis suggested that more than 90 percent of present-day Lebanese descended from the Canaanites—themselves an admixture of local Neolithic populations and eastern migrants—and only a small proportion from Eurasians. The latter, it is believed, only arrived in the region around 3,750-2,170 years ago.

    What the findings imply is significant genetic continuity in the Levant since the Bronze Age.

    Zalloua explains that “the study provides additional support to the notion that people do not move unless there is a compelling reason for them to do so. The Levant has provided its inhabitants with an ideal environment since the Last Glacial Period: fair climate, and plenty of food and water, so there was no reason for people to leave. If you ask the modern-day Lebanese about their country, despite all the social and political problems they might have faced, they will tell you that they love their land. They have been occupying it for millennia.”



    The genetic differences between lebanese non muslims and muslims are so small. All Lebanese be it Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jew and Druze are highly similar in their genes. All has the J2 marker (Levant marker) in their dna and it accounts to approximately 30% or more in ALL Lebanese sects. For example my family has it more than 30% . the J1 marker (arab decent gulf and north africa )accounts in 21% of Lebanese Muslims (mostly in Sunni population because a lot of today's Beirutis were immigrants from North Africa) and 17% of non Lebanese Muslims. There is no evidence that Christians and druze are the original Levantines. Not to mention that the today's genetic population in Tyre and Sidon can be traced back to ancient Phoenicians.

    No one claims Israelis are not pure enough, where did you get that idea from? stop listening to extremists. Only extremists in Lebanon think we are different because of sects when the truth is we are not. When you see a light tanned black hair Mediterranean male it would be difficult to guess if he is a Ali, a Charbel, a Omar or a Jad. because we all look the same.

    The whole idea why we criticize Israel is because a lot of Lebanese, especially Jnoubis have suffered enough from their occupation, atrocities and bullying. Most Jnoubis have nothing against the Jews, and if there were any jew who would like to live in the outskirts of Nabatieh and practice their faith they are welcomed with open arms and left in peace. Jnoubis are very hospitable just like the rest of the Lebanese population. So when someone says that IDF and Israel can do nothing wrong is an insult to all the people who died and suffered under their hands. Sheikh Bashir understood that, that's why he had a change of heart and told the Israelis to do one, he might not have been everyone's cup of tea but he saw Israeli occupation.

    Nicolas has an agenda of claiming Rûms are heavily if not mostly of Greek origins. When it's a well established genetic fact that there's no difference between Levantine Christians of different denominations, all are of Canaanite-Syriac origins. And Pierre is too politically involved promoting 'unity' and overstates the closeness of different Lebanese groups. If you want the truth, you have to look for unbiased non-Lebanese sources.


    And I can tell which sect one belongs to just by looking at them. Of course it's not that easy on an individual basis, but it's easy when it comes to groups. :p
     
    Steven Gerrard

    Steven Gerrard

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    Nicolas has an agenda of claiming Rûms are heavily if not mostly of Greek origins. When it's a well established genetic fact that there's no difference between Levantine Christians of different denominations, all are of Canaanite-Syriac origins. And Pierre is too politically involved promoting 'unity' and overstates the closeness of different Lebanese groups. If you want the truth, you have to look for unbiased non-Lebanese sources.


    And I can tell which sect one belongs to just by looking at them. Of course it's not that easy on an individual basis, but it's easy when it comes to groups. :p
    Yes because Taleb obviously did not use any non biased source right? Look at his sources, most of them are from non-Lebanese sources . Also, Taleb doesn't claim Rums are heavily linked to Greeks, he says ALL Lebanese (northern levant) are closer to Greeks than non Levantine countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia. This is the truth, and you cannot tell me otherwise.

    and no you cannot tell which sect a person belongs to unless he shoves religious secterian symbols on your face. If you ever see me you will never know, you would also think I'm European let alone a Lebanese.
     
    Muki

    Muki

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    Orange Room Supporter

    Israel's paramedics are praying.

    Interesting point:
    "Everyone is praying toward their respective homes.

    Here is obvious peace solution for you - move Jews to Judea, move Arabs to Arabia"
    Arabs always on their knees.
     
    Muki

    Muki

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    Orange Room Supporter
    You are well know for reinventing history, fabricating history and narrating fictitious tales and trying to pass then for facts. Do you know how many villages in the South have Aramaic names and the people, even though have become arabic speaking associate and are proud of those names? Waste of time arguing nonsense. Have a nice day and take care so another virus doesnt infect you.
    Those Aramaic villages were once Christian, but have since been cleansed and replaced by Invaders.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

    Legendary Member
    Those Aramaic villages were once Christian, but have since been cleansed and replaced by Invaders.
    They were once pagan too, if not mainly pagans in pre Islamic times. The tribes of Mount Amel were also pagans, alongside practicing christianity and judaism. The tribes of Mount Amel converted PEACEFULLY into Shia Islam through preaching. They weren't conquered or replaced by anyone. Perhaps, the only time people were replaced and cleansed in Lebanon was when Lebanese Shia were cleansed from North Lebanon and Mount Lebanon by both the Turks and the Crusaders. In fact, when the Turks cleansed the Shia from the North and Mount Lebanon, they at some instances used Christian collaborators and henchmen (some of whom were migrants from Syria) to replace the Shia. Jbeil and Keserwan were traditionally Shia homeland. Tripoli in the North was a Shia city till the 13th century.
     
    Steven Gerrard

    Steven Gerrard

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    They were once pagan too, if not mainly pagans in pre Islamic times. The tribes of Mount Amel were also pagans, alongside practicing christianity and judaism. The tribes of Mount Amel converted PEACEFULLY into Shia Islam through preaching. They weren't conquered or replaced by anyone. Perhaps, the only time people were replaced and cleansed in Lebanon was when Lebanese Shia were cleansed from North Lebanon and Mount Lebanon by both the Turks and the Crusaders. In fact, when the Turks cleansed the Shia from the North and Mount Lebanon, they at some instances used Christian collaborators and henchmen (some of whom were migrants from Syria) to replace the Shia. Jbeil and Keserwan were traditionally Shia homeland. Tripoli in the North was a Shia city till the 13th century.
    Yup, biggest Shia population was in Keserwen. in the north they were predominantly in Akkar and Tripoli.

    The Mamluks came around 1200 AD to Keserwen and took them out. So most of the Shi3a B3albakiye or Beka3iye can trace their roots back to the early Shi3a population in Keserwen. You know who they got along very well with? The maronites, because both sects were persecuted by the ottomans and druze(who were allied with the ottomans at the time). Some of the maronites sought refuge in Jezzine, which at the time was the shi3a capital of Lebanon.

    Those Aramaic villages were once Christian, but have since been cleansed and replaced by Invaders.
    Those Aramaic villages were once bronze age caananites who spoke aramaic then adopted greek during the byzantine empire. Not all villages adopted Christianity, some remained pagan and adopted other religions.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

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    "IDF intercepts five people who crossed the Lebanese border"

    Palestinian refugees must sooner or later go back to their land in northern palestine. Sionist colonial state of israel cannot occupy their lands forever.. there is no other solution .. and jews must accept to live with palestinians on a common wealth basis and under one citizenship.. this is the only hopefully peaceful solution .. progressisy jews must join hand in hand with the progressist palestinians to built a democratic state that guarantee full citizenship to all palestinian citizens from various religions..
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    Palestinian refugees must sooner or later go back to their land in northern palestine. Sionist colonial state of israel cannot occupy their lands forever.. there is no other solution .. and jews must accept to live with palestinians on a common wealth basis and under one citizenship.. this is the only hopefully peaceful solution .. progressisy jews must join hand in hand with the progressist palestinians to built a democratic state that guarantee full citizenship to all palestinian citizens from various religions..
    OK, duly noted.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    "IDF intercepts five people who crossed the Lebanese border"

    Look at the nonsense propaganda you guys write and read:

    "The border with Lebanon is normally the scene of tension with the Iran-backed Hezbollah, which has tried to take over Lebanon and continuously threatens Israel with military attacks."
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    Look at the nonsense propaganda you guys write and read:

    "The border with Lebanon is normally the scene of tension with the Iran-backed Hezbollah, which has tried to take over Lebanon and continuously threatens Israel with military attacks."
    Which of those is nonsense (take it line by line)?:
    1. "Iran-backed Hezbollah"
    2. "[Hezbollah] has tried to take over Lebanon"
    3. "[Hezbollah] continuously threatens Israel with military attacks"
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Which of those is nonsense (take it line by line)?:
    1. "Iran-backed Hezbollah"
    2. "[Hezbollah] has tried to take over Lebanon"
    3. "[Hezbollah] continuously threatens Israel with military attacks"
    Has Hezballah installed or imposed a Shia PM or Shia president in Lebanon? Even though the Taef agreement seeks to eventually abolish the confessional system. But it doesnt seem Hezballah or any other party for that matter is in haste to fully implement the Taef accord and abolish the confessional system. Many of the current parties enjoy the sectarian divisions because it is to their favor. And Hezballah might not be pushing for that because they dont want to be accused of trying to upset or change the system. And since the system is also favouring them, why change it after all?
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    Has Hezballah installed or imposed a Shia PM or Shia president in Lebanon? Even though the Taef agreement seeks to eventually abolish the confessional system. But it doesnt seem Hezballah or any other party for that matter is in haste to fully implement the Taef accord and abolish the confessional system. Many of the current parties enjoy the sectarian divisions because it is to their favor. And Hezballah might not be pushing for that because they dont want to be accused of trying to upset or change the system. And since the system is also favouring them, why change it after all?
    I asked you to respond to specific chages, not to invent irrelevant baloney.
    Start over or stop wasting my time.
     
    SAVO

    SAVO

    Member
    Excellent article..

    among muslim arabs , palestinians prove to have still brilliant intellectual minds ..

    ماذا يمكن تسمية الحروب الاهلية في العالم العربي التي اسميت بثورات الربيع بين اسلام سني حينا واسلام شيعي حينا آخر ، وصلت باعلان الخلافة في العراق وسوريا "داعش" ومصر وليبيا "دامل" وهي التي كانت مدعومة من امريكا المسيحية واسرائيل اليهودية وتركيا المسلمة . وماذا يمكن تسمية شعار الاسلام هو الحل ، واغتيال سلسلة طويلة من المفكرين والمبدعين والفنانين بدعوى الارتداد والتكفير آخرهم المفكر الاردني ناهض حتر ، والمصري فرج فودة واللبناني حسين مروة والروائي نجيب محفوظ، وإذا كانت ام هارون يهودية ، فهل كان عادل امام بعد فيلم الارهابي يهوديا، وهل كانت ام كلثوم يهودية لترتفع المطالبات بتحجيب تمثالها، وهل كان ابو العلاء المعري يهوديا ليتم نبش قبره بعد مرور الف سنة على وفاته ، وهل كانت العداءة السورية غادة شعاع يهودية عندما فازت بالميدالية الذهبية ليتم التعريض بها في المساجد .

    • هناك شخصيات يهودية اسهمت اسهاما ملموسا في التصدي لدولة اسرائيل او على الاقل لاحتلالها الثاني عام 67 من بينهم المحاميتان فيليتسا لانغر وليئا تسيمل، وعدد كبير من الصحفيين والكتاب والأدباء، ناهيك عن اوري ديفز الذي انتخب للمرة الثالثة عضوا في المجلس الثوري لحركة فتح، فماذا عن شحصيات عالمية كفرويد وماركس واينشتاين ، هل تستقيم الامور باعتمادهم "يهودا" وعدم التعاطي بالتالي مع ابداعاتهم وانجازاتهم الفكرية
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