Lebanese politics pre 2005

MELF

MELF

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the late Prime Minister Rafiq el Hariri was the one to start that "understanding" with Hizbullah where he focuses on the economy (i.e. robbing the country, and they are free to handle the "resistance"... we all know that, it gave him a free hand to steal, and gave HA the free hand to become the strong resistance they are today. Aoun was in exile, Hariri became richer.

i would like to see you ONCE attacking Hariri and his entourage for their corruption and how much they stole for the past 30 years... you can't, because your brain can only see Aoun and Bassil.
Now Hariri is poorer thanks to dumb son, Hizbullah are even stronger thanks to Aoun, and Aoun and his son in law who considered Hizbullah terrorists are now their prime defender.

Blaming Hizbullah and Bassil is right because they've been ruling the country since the armed coup of Hizbullah in 2008.
 
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    Lebmonage

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    Now Hariri is poorer thanks to dumb son, Hizbullah are even stronger thanks to Aoun, and Aoun and his son in law who considered Hizbullah terrorists are now their prime defender.

    Blaming Hizbullah and Bassil is right because they've been ruling the country since the armed coup of Hizbullah in 2008.
    How did Aoun consider Hezballah terrorists?

    And also, there's this pic of Aoun supposedly shaking the hands of an Israehelli army officer. What is the context of that pic?
     
    Lebmonage

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    Interview on al jazeera is the famous one.
    Pls provide a link. And can someone please explain those pics showing Aoun shaking hands with the Zionist occupation soldiers? What's the context?

    Of course, this by no means trying to change topic or tarnish the reputation of the president. I am very certain there are reasons behind all this. The stance of the president in 2006 is there for all to see. He stood by the resistance when the world was counting down holding to eliminate the resistance.
     
    Resign

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    Pls provide a link. And can someone please explain those pics showing Aoun shaking hands with the Zionist occupation soldiers? What's the context?

    Of course, this by no means trying to change topic or tarnish the reputation of the president. I am very certain there are reasons behind all this. The stance of the president in 2006 is there for all to see. He stood by the resistance when the world was counting down holding to eliminate the resistance.
    Don't worry he has no good image or reputation left to tarnish
    He stood with Hezbollah because 14 march didn't give him a seat in the government, not out of love for your resistance.
    And yes prior 2006 he never wasted a chance to call you terrorists and wanted the organization eradicated.
     
    Leb_Rebel

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    Any evidence to back this claim? Like a video evidence or statement in a newspaper?
    Resolution 1559 and the speeches he made in the US before coming back.
    Yes its true.

    What is also true is 7elef roube3e and 2006 war.
     
    Lebmonage

    Lebmonage

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    Resolution 1559 and the speeches he made in the US before coming back.
    Yes its true.

    What is also true is 7elef roube3e and 2006 war.
    So what changed?

    Was it part of playing politics? Like declaring the Parliament illegitimate and then getting electee as president by the same Parliament?

    What of the pics with Israehelli soldiers? What's the explanation?

    What changed?
     
    Lebmonage

    Lebmonage

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    Don't worry he has no good image or reputation left to tarnish
    He stood with Hezbollah because 14 march didn't give him a seat in the government, not out of love for your resistance.
    And yes prior 2006 he never wasted a chance to call you terrorists and wanted the organization eradicated.
    What do Aounists make of the above claims?

    This is the first time I am having this discussion on this topic. Please do not blame me. I sincerely want to know and I want answers.
     
    Leb_Rebel

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    So what changed?

    Was it part of playing politics? Like declaring the Parliament illegitimate and then getting electee as president by the same Parliament?

    What of the pics with Israehelli soldiers? What's the explanation?

    What changed?
    I don't know about the photo.

    Pre-2005, FPM had one objective. Syria out. And GMA said many times that we can return to normal relations when Syrians leave.
    I think declaring that HA is terrorist was a price to pay for USA support.

    Actions speak louder than words ;)
     
    Resign

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    What do Aounists make of the above claims?

    This is the first time I am having this discussion on this topic. Please do not blame me. I sincerely want to know and I want answers.
    A speech he threw in the US in 2003, literally 3 years before the MOU






    Madame Chairwoman. Honorable Members,
    It is an honor for me to bring you the voice of the Lebanese people; a people longing for freedom and suffering under occupation. I have come here today to convey their gratitude for your initiative in introducing the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act, and to urge the immediate passage of this bill into law. This piece of prospective legislation is crucial, as it establishes for the first time a clear United States policy regarding Syria’s occupation of Lebanon.
    For twenty-seven years, the Syrian Regime has played the role of both arsonist and firefighter. Syria starts fires in order to give itself a pretext to extinguish them and thus justify its continuing occupation of Lebanon. And any Lebanese who dares to expose or resist Syria’s hegemony is simply eliminated. Syria’s occupation of Lebanon has been detrimental and costly to both American and Lebanese interests in five major ways.
    Impact of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon
    First, Syria’s hegemony over Lebanon has turned the country into a fertile ground and safe haven for terrorism. In the 1970s and 1980s, Lebanon was the first victim of Syrian terrorism. And this was one of the main reasons in 1978 to list Syria as the first terrorist country on the US Department of State list of terrorist states. Back then, Hizballah and Hamas did not even exist.
    One cannot rationally dissociate the Syrian regime from terrorism. Syria provides safe haven for a myriad of terrorist organizations, directs their operations, and uses occupied Lebanon as their main field of training and operation. Like an organized crime syndicate which uses fear, intimidation, and violence as instruments of pressure to buy silence from otherwise good and honorable people, the Syrian regime uses these terrorist organizations as instruments of pressure in a foreign policy strategy that has earned for Syria a "no questions asked" attitude from the free world with regard to its occupation of Lebanon and its persecution of the Lebanese people.
    Terrorist organizations do not stand on their own in terms of identity; instead, they are proxies to regimes that provide them with financial means and an operational framework for their terrorist activities. The suggestion heard in some circles that these regimes can be charged with the task of dismantling terrorist organizations is the height of naiveté and folly.
    Furthermore, let’s not forget that the clandestine nature of these regimes and organizations would allow them to quickly and easily restructure and reemerge under completely new aliases, ready to resume operations in full capacity.
    Any perceived cooperation in the war on terrorism does not represent a strategic choice on the part of the Syrian regime to combat terrorism; it is only a tactical and temporary ploy to dodge responsibility for the central role that Syria has had in sponsoring terrorism during the last three decades. Let us not forget that Syria’s proxies in Lebanon were responsible for attacks against the American embassy and the Marine compound costing hundreds of Lebanese and American lives.
    Second, Syria’s occupation has turned Lebanon — a nation that once enjoyed democracy and freedom — into a puppet-regime subservient to a dictatorship.
    Dictatorial regimes, which install in their people an overwhelming feeling of helplessness to affect any kind of change through democratic or peaceful means, are the cause of fundamentalism. The only effective long-term solution to the spread of fundamentalism is the spread of freedom; the only truly effective and permanent way to reverse the spread of fundamentalism is not to choose dictatorship over fundamentalism-it is, rather, to provide a third alternative — democracy.
    The democratic process in Lebanon has been hijacked. Election laws have been regularly tailored to guarantee the election of Syria’s puppets in Lebanon. Nonetheless, the Lebanese people remain apt and resolute to resume their democratic way of life once conditions become conducive and the Syrian regime withdraws its forces and intelligence apparatus from Lebanon.
    Third, Syria’s occupation of Lebanon has led to instability and hindered the peace process. Most puzzling and frustrating for the Lebanese people is that there are supporters of the Syrian Regime in positions of authority, both in Lebanon and in the U.S., who assert that Syria provides an element of stability in Lebanon. These supporters turn a blind eye to the fact that Lebanon has become unstable only as a result of Syrian hegemony over it. Today, the Lebanese-Israeli Border is a lit fuse that can erupt into a regional war at anytime. And why this present state of affairs?
    The blame lies squarely at the feet of Syria, which forbids Lebanon to implement UN Resolution 426 and deploy its army along the border with Israel. I ask a simple question: Where is the much-heralded stability that Syria is providing? And how many times has the US intervened to diffuse tension and prevent escalation of this Syrian-created mess?
    Those same apologists for the Syrian Regime also argue that political detente and dialogue among the Lebanese factions would not be possible without Syria’s alleged role as an "intermediary" between them. Again, on this point separation must be made between reality and Syrian-propagated myth.
    Hafez Assad made it clear on July 20, 1976 that he is sending his forces to Lebanon to protect his Palestinian proxies and other radical groups. Since the Syrian regime directly intervened in Lebanon, it has consistently incited the Lebanese against each other at every level. Many Lebanese personalities, who recognized and rejected Syria’s sinister plans to promote "internal conflict," were assassinated.
    These patriotic Lebanese sacrificed themselves on the altar of peace by choosing to take an active role in bridging differences and resolving stalemates, in direct contradiction to Syria’s wicked plans. Among these Lebanese victims are those, from different factions, who dared to open genuine channels of dialogue with me during my tenure as the Prime Minister of the Interim Lebanese Government. And I personally was also the target of three Syrian-sponsored assassination attempts that inflicted many casualties, and some fatalities, in the ranks of my personal security entourage.
    Fourth, under Syrian occupation the human rights of the Lebanese people have been systematically violated. An exhaustive description of the crimes committed by the Syrian Regime and its goons in Lebanon would take thousands of pages and dozens of hearings. Two Lebanese presidents-both of whom can be accurately described as unwilling to take their orders from the Syrian intimidators-were assassinated immediately upon their elections.
    Ambassadors, elite journalists, and political and religious figures from all denominations who dared to oppose Syria were kidnapped, tortured, imprisoned, and/or assassinated. And this is in addition to the tens of thousands of Lebanese who perished in countless massacres, in months upon months of random Syrian artillery shelling of civilian areas, and in countless booby-trapped and bombed cars.
    Furthermore, the freedom of speech has been restricted and any media critical of the status quo have been silenced. Last but not least, the judicial system has been politicized and used as an instrument of intimidation, harassment, and oppression.
    Fifth, widespread corruption of enormous magnitude has devastated the Lebanese economy. Syria’s puppet regime and proxies in Lebanon have excessively abused their power. They unnecessarily built a national debt currently exceeding two hundred percent of GDP while simultaneously amassing gigantic personal fortunes at the expense and welfare of the average Lebanese citizens.
    The aforementioned are only few illustrations of the negative impact of Syrian occupation of Lebanon. Prior to Syria’s hegemony, Lebanon was a living example of political and religious pluralism, and a symbol of moderation and tolerance. Lebanon, free from Syrian occupation and terror, will emerge once again with a political system that is democratic, an economic policy that is truly capitalistic and transparent, a modern and independent judiciary that enforces and respects the rule of law, and an educational system that nurtures a culture of peace in a region and environment in dire need of true peace.
    The Restoration of Lebanon’s Sovereignty
    The restoration of Lebanese sovereignty is an absolute necessity if terrorism is to be defeated. In order to achieve this objective, the Lebanese people and the international community, under the sponsorship of the United States, will have to collaborate closely and commit resources towards this goal. Today the majority of the Lebanese, across all groups and factions, are living in anticipation of the restoration of their sovereignty and free will and are longing for the day when they can again exercise their freedoms without fear of arrest, persecution, or death.
    We hope that the Syrian regime will take the opportunity to act positively and withdraw its forces from Lebanon as we seek to build with the Syrian people genuine and strong friendly relations based on mutual respect and common interests among the two people.
    Following a Syrian withdrawal, it is quite conceivable that the Syrian regime will leave behind many of its instruments of terror and destruction as well as its paramilitary/intelligence apparatus. Therefore, it is imperative that Syrian withdrawal be accompanied by a complete disarmament of all armed elements. Only the legitimate armed forces of Lebanon can be entrusted with providing security to the Lebanese people. They are certainly capable of doing so when provided with a strong political leadership duly elected by the Lebanese themselves, rather than appointed by an occupying power as is the case today. Equally important, Lebanon will need certified tribunals to investigate and bring to justice all criminals who committed war atrocities and crimes against humanity.
    Lebanon will certainly need significant economic aid. The Lebanese people have incurred catastrophic losses and the Lebanese economy is devastated due largely to the corrupt Syrian puppet regimes installed in power since the early 1990s. And to this day, more than any other country, Lebanon has been carrying an enormous burden as a consequence of the prolonged Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Lebanese cause is a cause in and of itself. It is not and should not be linked to the resolution of any regional or global conflict or crisis. Lebanon, alone, is a legitimate and pressing issue by every standard of international law.
    This small country, Lebanon, is not a producer of oil or raw material. Lebanon is however rich beyond description. Lebanon is rich in its culture, in its people, in its beauty, in its history, and in its heart. But most importantly, Lebanon is rich in its tradition of democracy and freedom.
    Only in very recent history has it become evident to the Western powers that Lebanon must be saved as a matter of global security, and hence my presence here today before this honorable committee. But the salvation of Lebanon is more than a matter of security-It is a moral imperative. Lebanon must be saved, because it is right to save Lebanon; a nation which cherishes American principles and human values that we all believe in. To save Lebanon is to lend credence to what President Bush declared in his speech on September 11, 2002 and I quote:
    "We will use our position of unparalleled strength and influence to build an atmosphere of international order and openness in which progress and liberty can flourish in many nations. A peaceful world of growing freedom serves American long-term interests, reflects enduring American ideals and unites America’s allies."
    Madame Chairwoman, the true nature of the Lebanese people is love of freedom and affection for America; and the true nature of America is support for those aspiring to freedom. A Lebanon dominated by a Syrian terrorist-sponsoring dictatorship is inconsistent with the nature of their Lebanese people and does not serve their interests. And looking the other way while a democracy is being turned into a repressive satellite state is inconsistent with the American nature and interests.
    Madame Chairwoman, we have been fighting valiantly for our beloved Lebanon for over 30 years.
    We have lost almost everything. We lost our brothers and sisters, our friends, our fellow soldiers, our freedoms, our security, our homes, and our money.
    But we are determined to continue fighting for our cause because we never lost hope-and never will-that our natural allies in the free world would ultimately see our fight for what it truly was-a fight for freedom against terrorism and oppression. I come before you today to urge you to be true to America’s nature, to aid those aspiring to freedom, to strike a blow to terrorism, and vote to pass the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003.
    Thank you for your attention.
     
    MELF

    MELF

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    What is the story behind this type of pics:

    View attachment 14677
    It was a meeting between Aoun, LF, Kataeb, and Israelis before Sabra & Shatila massacre and after fall of Beirut.

    It's no secret Aoun met with Israelis (the event of this picture is not a loner, it's only that pictures weren't taken of any other event). Aoun has met Ariel Sharon in Beirut. He was also meeting and talking with Mossad agents during the 90s.
     
    Lebmonage

    Lebmonage

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    A speech he threw in the US in 2003, literally 3 years before the MOU






    Madame Chairwoman. Honorable Members,
    It is an honor for me to bring you the voice of the Lebanese people; a people longing for freedom and suffering under occupation. I have come here today to convey their gratitude for your initiative in introducing the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act, and to urge the immediate passage of this bill into law. This piece of prospective legislation is crucial, as it establishes for the first time a clear United States policy regarding Syria’s occupation of Lebanon.
    For twenty-seven years, the Syrian Regime has played the role of both arsonist and firefighter. Syria starts fires in order to give itself a pretext to extinguish them and thus justify its continuing occupation of Lebanon. And any Lebanese who dares to expose or resist Syria’s hegemony is simply eliminated. Syria’s occupation of Lebanon has been detrimental and costly to both American and Lebanese interests in five major ways.
    Impact of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon
    First, Syria’s hegemony over Lebanon has turned the country into a fertile ground and safe haven for terrorism. In the 1970s and 1980s, Lebanon was the first victim of Syrian terrorism. And this was one of the main reasons in 1978 to list Syria as the first terrorist country on the US Department of State list of terrorist states. Back then, Hizballah and Hamas did not even exist.
    One cannot rationally dissociate the Syrian regime from terrorism. Syria provides safe haven for a myriad of terrorist organizations, directs their operations, and uses occupied Lebanon as their main field of training and operation. Like an organized crime syndicate which uses fear, intimidation, and violence as instruments of pressure to buy silence from otherwise good and honorable people, the Syrian regime uses these terrorist organizations as instruments of pressure in a foreign policy strategy that has earned for Syria a "no questions asked" attitude from the free world with regard to its occupation of Lebanon and its persecution of the Lebanese people.
    Terrorist organizations do not stand on their own in terms of identity; instead, they are proxies to regimes that provide them with financial means and an operational framework for their terrorist activities. The suggestion heard in some circles that these regimes can be charged with the task of dismantling terrorist organizations is the height of naiveté and folly.
    Furthermore, let’s not forget that the clandestine nature of these regimes and organizations would allow them to quickly and easily restructure and reemerge under completely new aliases, ready to resume operations in full capacity.
    Any perceived cooperation in the war on terrorism does not represent a strategic choice on the part of the Syrian regime to combat terrorism; it is only a tactical and temporary ploy to dodge responsibility for the central role that Syria has had in sponsoring terrorism during the last three decades. Let us not forget that Syria’s proxies in Lebanon were responsible for attacks against the American embassy and the Marine compound costing hundreds of Lebanese and American lives.
    Second, Syria’s occupation has turned Lebanon — a nation that once enjoyed democracy and freedom — into a puppet-regime subservient to a dictatorship.
    Dictatorial regimes, which install in their people an overwhelming feeling of helplessness to affect any kind of change through democratic or peaceful means, are the cause of fundamentalism. The only effective long-term solution to the spread of fundamentalism is the spread of freedom; the only truly effective and permanent way to reverse the spread of fundamentalism is not to choose dictatorship over fundamentalism-it is, rather, to provide a third alternative — democracy.
    The democratic process in Lebanon has been hijacked. Election laws have been regularly tailored to guarantee the election of Syria’s puppets in Lebanon. Nonetheless, the Lebanese people remain apt and resolute to resume their democratic way of life once conditions become conducive and the Syrian regime withdraws its forces and intelligence apparatus from Lebanon.
    Third, Syria’s occupation of Lebanon has led to instability and hindered the peace process. Most puzzling and frustrating for the Lebanese people is that there are supporters of the Syrian Regime in positions of authority, both in Lebanon and in the U.S., who assert that Syria provides an element of stability in Lebanon. These supporters turn a blind eye to the fact that Lebanon has become unstable only as a result of Syrian hegemony over it. Today, the Lebanese-Israeli Border is a lit fuse that can erupt into a regional war at anytime. And why this present state of affairs?
    The blame lies squarely at the feet of Syria, which forbids Lebanon to implement UN Resolution 426 and deploy its army along the border with Israel. I ask a simple question: Where is the much-heralded stability that Syria is providing? And how many times has the US intervened to diffuse tension and prevent escalation of this Syrian-created mess?
    Those same apologists for the Syrian Regime also argue that political detente and dialogue among the Lebanese factions would not be possible without Syria’s alleged role as an "intermediary" between them. Again, on this point separation must be made between reality and Syrian-propagated myth.
    Hafez Assad made it clear on July 20, 1976 that he is sending his forces to Lebanon to protect his Palestinian proxies and other radical groups. Since the Syrian regime directly intervened in Lebanon, it has consistently incited the Lebanese against each other at every level. Many Lebanese personalities, who recognized and rejected Syria’s sinister plans to promote "internal conflict," were assassinated.
    These patriotic Lebanese sacrificed themselves on the altar of peace by choosing to take an active role in bridging differences and resolving stalemates, in direct contradiction to Syria’s wicked plans. Among these Lebanese victims are those, from different factions, who dared to open genuine channels of dialogue with me during my tenure as the Prime Minister of the Interim Lebanese Government. And I personally was also the target of three Syrian-sponsored assassination attempts that inflicted many casualties, and some fatalities, in the ranks of my personal security entourage.
    Fourth, under Syrian occupation the human rights of the Lebanese people have been systematically violated. An exhaustive description of the crimes committed by the Syrian Regime and its goons in Lebanon would take thousands of pages and dozens of hearings. Two Lebanese presidents-both of whom can be accurately described as unwilling to take their orders from the Syrian intimidators-were assassinated immediately upon their elections.
    Ambassadors, elite journalists, and political and religious figures from all denominations who dared to oppose Syria were kidnapped, tortured, imprisoned, and/or assassinated. And this is in addition to the tens of thousands of Lebanese who perished in countless massacres, in months upon months of random Syrian artillery shelling of civilian areas, and in countless booby-trapped and bombed cars.
    Furthermore, the freedom of speech has been restricted and any media critical of the status quo have been silenced. Last but not least, the judicial system has been politicized and used as an instrument of intimidation, harassment, and oppression.
    Fifth, widespread corruption of enormous magnitude has devastated the Lebanese economy. Syria’s puppet regime and proxies in Lebanon have excessively abused their power. They unnecessarily built a national debt currently exceeding two hundred percent of GDP while simultaneously amassing gigantic personal fortunes at the expense and welfare of the average Lebanese citizens.
    The aforementioned are only few illustrations of the negative impact of Syrian occupation of Lebanon. Prior to Syria’s hegemony, Lebanon was a living example of political and religious pluralism, and a symbol of moderation and tolerance. Lebanon, free from Syrian occupation and terror, will emerge once again with a political system that is democratic, an economic policy that is truly capitalistic and transparent, a modern and independent judiciary that enforces and respects the rule of law, and an educational system that nurtures a culture of peace in a region and environment in dire need of true peace.
    The Restoration of Lebanon’s Sovereignty
    The restoration of Lebanese sovereignty is an absolute necessity if terrorism is to be defeated. In order to achieve this objective, the Lebanese people and the international community, under the sponsorship of the United States, will have to collaborate closely and commit resources towards this goal. Today the majority of the Lebanese, across all groups and factions, are living in anticipation of the restoration of their sovereignty and free will and are longing for the day when they can again exercise their freedoms without fear of arrest, persecution, or death.
    We hope that the Syrian regime will take the opportunity to act positively and withdraw its forces from Lebanon as we seek to build with the Syrian people genuine and strong friendly relations based on mutual respect and common interests among the two people.
    Following a Syrian withdrawal, it is quite conceivable that the Syrian regime will leave behind many of its instruments of terror and destruction as well as its paramilitary/intelligence apparatus. Therefore, it is imperative that Syrian withdrawal be accompanied by a complete disarmament of all armed elements. Only the legitimate armed forces of Lebanon can be entrusted with providing security to the Lebanese people. They are certainly capable of doing so when provided with a strong political leadership duly elected by the Lebanese themselves, rather than appointed by an occupying power as is the case today. Equally important, Lebanon will need certified tribunals to investigate and bring to justice all criminals who committed war atrocities and crimes against humanity.
    Lebanon will certainly need significant economic aid. The Lebanese people have incurred catastrophic losses and the Lebanese economy is devastated due largely to the corrupt Syrian puppet regimes installed in power since the early 1990s. And to this day, more than any other country, Lebanon has been carrying an enormous burden as a consequence of the prolonged Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Lebanese cause is a cause in and of itself. It is not and should not be linked to the resolution of any regional or global conflict or crisis. Lebanon, alone, is a legitimate and pressing issue by every standard of international law.
    This small country, Lebanon, is not a producer of oil or raw material. Lebanon is however rich beyond description. Lebanon is rich in its culture, in its people, in its beauty, in its history, and in its heart. But most importantly, Lebanon is rich in its tradition of democracy and freedom.
    Only in very recent history has it become evident to the Western powers that Lebanon must be saved as a matter of global security, and hence my presence here today before this honorable committee. But the salvation of Lebanon is more than a matter of security-It is a moral imperative. Lebanon must be saved, because it is right to save Lebanon; a nation which cherishes American principles and human values that we all believe in. To save Lebanon is to lend credence to what President Bush declared in his speech on September 11, 2002 and I quote:
    "We will use our position of unparalleled strength and influence to build an atmosphere of international order and openness in which progress and liberty can flourish in many nations. A peaceful world of growing freedom serves American long-term interests, reflects enduring American ideals and unites America’s allies."
    Madame Chairwoman, the true nature of the Lebanese people is love of freedom and affection for America; and the true nature of America is support for those aspiring to freedom. A Lebanon dominated by a Syrian terrorist-sponsoring dictatorship is inconsistent with the nature of their Lebanese people and does not serve their interests. And looking the other way while a democracy is being turned into a repressive satellite state is inconsistent with the American nature and interests.
    Madame Chairwoman, we have been fighting valiantly for our beloved Lebanon for over 30 years.
    We have lost almost everything. We lost our brothers and sisters, our friends, our fellow soldiers, our freedoms, our security, our homes, and our money.
    But we are determined to continue fighting for our cause because we never lost hope-and never will-that our natural allies in the free world would ultimately see our fight for what it truly was-a fight for freedom against terrorism and oppression. I come before you today to urge you to be true to America’s nature, to aid those aspiring to freedom, to strike a blow to terrorism, and vote to pass the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003.
    Thank you for your attention.
    There is no direct reference in this speech that Hezballah is a terrorist group. He mentioned Syria being labelled a state sponsor of terrorism "even" before Hezballah and Hamas were created. That doesn't necessarily mean the latter two are terrorist organizations in his opinion.

    Any other reference? Please present for scrutiny.
     
    Leb_Rebel

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    There is no direct reference in this speech that Hezballah is a terrorist group. He mentioned Syria being labelled a state sponsor of terrorism "even" before Hezballah and Hamas were created. That doesn't necessarily mean the latter two are terrorist organizations in his opinion.

    Any other reference? Please present for scrutiny.
    open another thread khayye...

    w @mods delete
     
    Lebmonage

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    It was a meeting between Aoun, LF, Kataeb, and Israelis before Sabra & Shatila massacre and after fall of Beirut.

    It's no secret Aoun met with Israelis (the event of this picture is not a loner, it's only that pictures weren't taken of any other event). Aoun has met Ariel Sharon in Beirut. He was also meeting and talking with Mossad agents during the 90s.
    What was the purpose?
     
    The_FPMer

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    MTV: The current president and his administration have many accomplishments, from liberating the south, President Assad’s visit, the rule of law and the legitimate Lebanese forces, to the redeployment. Will you not credit this administration with anything?

    Aoun: Let’s begin with the South. If the South is not returned to the legitimate authority of the State, to the rule of law, and the legitimate Lebanese forces, then it cannot considered as liberated. It is a territory ruled by a militia, and we have moved from two occupations to one occupation. Let me clarify this for the umpteenth time: The ties we have with the Syrian people are unambiguous, but the repercussions of the Syrian occupation of Lebanon are worse than those of the Israeli occupation because Israel used to occupy a border strip consisting of a few kilometers while Syria has occupied Lebanese decision-making, sovereignty and stability. For the South to be rejoining the north will not bring back sovereignty; in fact, it did not re-establish a Lebanese sovereignty on the borders.
     
    The_FPMer

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    MTV: Is the answer in striking Hezbollah?

    Aoun: Absolutely not. Our call to Hezbollah is always a peaceful one. We have told them that their role of liberation has ended, so do not be tools in the hands of others, come and join the political game. It is true that I reject many of their ideas, because they have ideas that are somehow foreign to our society and that are not in harmony with Lebanon’s traditional mission, but they are part of Lebanese society. So I ask them not to be an extension of outsiders in Lebanon, but rather an extension of Lebanon vis-à-vis the outside. I do not care if their religious allegiance is in Qom or in Iraq, as this is a religious reference with which we have nothing to do. But what is unacceptable is for any religious community, Christian or Muslim, to be an extension of the outside in Lebanon.
     
    The_FPMer

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    MTV: Why do you constantly demand the disarming of Hezbollah, despite the fact that those weapons were never turned to the Lebanese interior and do not pose a threat to the interior, but rather to Israel?

    Aoun: Haven’t you heard the speeches threatening us with civil war in case we demand a Syrian withdrawal? Hezbollah is the one making the threats, and who else possesses weapons? Hezbollah has said that we want to create a new Kosovo and that it will confront this matter, and that it is in the front lines in defense of Syria. This is what the Kuwaiti daily “As-Syassa” has reported as statements made by Sayyid Hassan Nasrallah, as if the latter is accusing us and threatening us of civil war if we demand ta Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon. Why a civil war if Syria leaves Lebanon? Why can’t I live, I and Hezbollah, with me recognizing its existence and its right to be have a disagreement with me? Why doesn’t it recognize my own right to disagree, and we draw together a social and political contract? Who rejects Hezbollah’s existence? We do not reject it, so why does it threaten? And why is Hezbollah the line of defense of Syria in Lebanon?
     
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