Lebanon's Oil and Gas - Updates and Discussion [Exploratory Drilling Commences]

Will the Oil exploration be free of corruption

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • No

    Votes: 17 58.6%
  • Mainly Yes

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • Mainly No

    Votes: 5 17.2%

  • Total voters
    29
El-Meghwar

El-Meghwar

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I still dont understand why should we Isue a clarification to Turkey. This is our national borders (miyah eklimiya) that we want to trace (tersim houdoud) with another country that happened to be their ennemy.

In case oil or Gas was found let them pressure On greek Cyprus to divide it equally with turkish ones,but what do we have to do with this???
maybe they are just pissed off because Lebanon is dealing with Cyprus as an independant country and not dealing with them (Turkey) directly (if they consider cyprus a turkish land) .
 
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  • 3i3o

    3i3o

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    The oil exists in our national borders or not? Because even if it’s not, we still have the advantage to exploit it (Norway & UK exploit the oil in the sea of north just because they are the closest)
     
    CPL

    CPL

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    The oil exists in our national borders or not? Because even if it’s not, we still have the advantage to exploit it (Norway & UK exploit the oil in the sea of north just because they are the closest)
    don't bet on it if it's outside maritime claims. hehe since it's international water and guess who controls international business? Plus, the island of cyprus is made of 3 parts, not 2. The third part is BRITISH.
     
    taifoon

    taifoon

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    Thanks a lot Dry for your digging :) efforts on this subject, very informative!
    Part of the struggle we're currently engaged in is to hopefully, among other things, make sure we'll all live to enjoy seeing those supposed undersea treasures bring us some needed hard currency one day, before our hijackers succeed in finalizing the suffocation of this country through Paris III.

    However, we'll have to build ourselves a solid internal political rig first, before an oil rig can start pumping us out of misery and at least into self support.
    This doesn't make this subject less interesting in any way, but i think Lebanon had better pause the serious business of oil prospecting for now, since i personally would never trust this disintegrating government to be able to acheive anything which would benefit us, and not their own maffia cartell, first and formost.
    Once they're out, we start to dig :biggrin:
     
    modesty

    modesty

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    هذا الذي ينقصنا بعد، أن تحذرنا تركيا وتهددنا
    كنا نتسائل قبل مدة عن هذه الغيرة التركية علينا عندما جاء احد مسؤوليها للتوسط فيما بين اللبنانيين، القصة قصة نفط وليس غيرة ولا حمية ولا من يسألون
    أما المثل الذي يقول ان الحيط الواطي يدوسه جميع الناس، فعلى بعض اللبنانيين أن يفهموه جيداً قبل ان يتعاطوا في السياسة الاقليمية والدولية
     
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    Phoenician

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    NO the matter is that you have a whole group of powerful players each flexing their muscles to show who is in charge. Turkey is just one of them, and wants to make it clear that all dealings with Cyprus fall uner its jurisdiction.
     
    S

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    I attended a conference part of the Business Opportunities in Lebanon seminar in 2004 (they happen every year at the convention center at Marina) where they discussed Lebanon's offshore oil and gas resources.

    The results were all taken using sensors and the government planned to commission a different company with greater detecting tools to verify the findings. Apparently there is a significant amount of energy under the sea however, energy prices are not yet high enough to warrant digs. I remember during that conference, a rep. from the Ministry of Energy stated that they were planning to meet Cypriot officials to identify our maritime borders as there is a potential of having a shared field.

    They also brought up an interesting issue: according to preliminary results, we might have a shared offshore gas field with Israel. At the moment, Israel is extracting gas (through British Petroleum) and if true, either party owes us money.
     
    Arze

    Arze

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    حملة تركية عنيفة على السنيورة: كان يخادع وحنث بوعوده


    محمد نور الدين - واصلت الصحف التركية لليوم الثالث على التوالي هجومها على رئيس الحكومة اللبنانية فؤاد السنيورة متهمة اياه بالحنث في وعده للحكومة التركية بعدم توقيع اتفاقية تحديد المنطقة الإقتصادية المشتركة مع جمهورية قبرص (اليونانية) والتي يشمل نطاقها (الإتفاقية) المياه الإقليمية لجمهورية شمال قبرص التركية وهو ما تعترض عليه انقرة.

    <TABLE id=AutoNumber3 style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=art_ar dir=rtl vAlign=top>فتحت عنوان «فؤاد السنيورة لم يقف عند كلمته» قالت صحيفة ""ميللييت «انه تبين ان لبنان قد وقّع، بعد مصر، اتفاقية تحدد مجال صلاحيات التنقيب عن النفط والغاز الطبيعي في شرق المتوسط مع السلطات الرومية (اليونانية) لجنوب قبرص. وتركيا حذّرت كما الدول التي اتخذت خطوات مشابهة كذلك الشركات.
    وفي بيان لوزارة الخارجية التركية انه رغم وعد رئيس الحكومة اللبنانية فؤاد السنيورة لأنقرة بعدم توقيع الإتفاقية إلا انه تبين ان الإتفاقية وقّعّت في 17 كانون الثاني .2007
    وقال البيان ان مثل هذه الإتفاقيات لا يأخذ في الإعتبار إرادة مؤسّس آخر في قبرص والذي هو الشعب القبرصي التركي كما ينعكس ذلك سلبا على جهود التوصل الى حل للقضية القبرصية. وعندما علمنا نية الحكومة اللبنانية الدخول في هذا النوع من الإتفاقيات شرحنا لهم الوضع ووعدونا بعدم التوقيع على اي اتفاقية من هذا النوع. لكن ذلك لم يحصل وتم التوقيع عليها في 17 كانون الثاني 2007 .
    وقد طلبت الحكومة التركية من الحكومة اللبنانية ايضاحات حول الإتفاقية من دون الحصول عليها وفي جميع الأحوال طالبت انقرة بيروت بعدم تطبيق الإتفاقية.
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    أما صحيفة «راديكال» فقد قالت بأن السنيورة الذي كان على اتصال دائم بأردوغان أثناء العدوان الإسرائيلي على لبنان، وبعدما رشحت الأنباء عن محادثات لبنانية مع قبرص اليونانية، نفى نية لبنان توقيع مثل هذا الإتفاق. لكن تبين فيما بعد ان الطرفين قد وقّعا مثل هذه الإتفاقية وتبين ان السنيورة كان «يموّه» ويخادع.
    وقالت الصحيفة إن مثل هذه الإتفاقيات تدخل تركيا في توترات جديدة مع دول المنطقة.
    من جهته قالت صحيفة «ميللييت» إن التقديرات المتوقعة من النفط والغاز الطبيعي في المياه الإقليمية القبرصية تقارب 6ـ8 مليار برميل من النفط وبقيمة حوالي اربعمئة مليار دولار. وتخطط قبرص اليونانية لاتفاقيات مماثلة مع كل من اسرائيل وسوريا.
    وقال المعلق سامي كوهين ان مثل هذه الإتفاقيات تضعف تركيا في المسألة القبرصية التي هي قضية حياة او موت بالنسبة لتركيا وتحاول هذه الإتفاقيات ايجاد واقع جديد يعزز صورة قبرص اليونانية كممثل لكل الجزيرة فيما تتعاطى مع قبرص التركية كأنها غير موجودة. ويرى كوهين ان هذه لعبة قبرصية يونانية تسعى الى الصدام بين تركيا و«شركائها» العرب.
    الجدير بالذكر ان حكومة قبرص اليونانية تداعت امس الى اجتماع طارئ بعد التهديدات التركية بعرقلة التنقيب عن النفط والغاز الطبيعي بالطرق العسكرية.
    وتتساءل اوساط تركية عن حقيقة الدوافع التي املت على الرئيس فؤاد السنيورة التصرف بهذه الطريقة مع الجانب التركي، وما اذا كان لذلك علاقة باحتمال ان تكون قبرص اليونانية مقرا للمحكمة الدولية المزمع انشاؤها في قضية اغتيال الرئيس رفيق الحريري. وهل كانت قبرص اقرب الى الرئيس الشهيد من تركيا، والكل يعرف العلاقات الوثيقة المتعددة الأبعاد بين الثنائي اردوغان ـ غول مع آل الحريري والسنيورة ؟
    في كل حال كان لبنان في غنى عن هذه الأزمة مع بلد صديق مثل تركيا، تقول هذه الأوساط.


    Source Assafir News Paper
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    boublik

    boublik

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    This is very interesting: actually since Cyprus is a member of the EU and an ex-British colony with British bases on its southern land, Turkey cannot mess with the Greek Cypriots because they will have to mess with the EU.
     
    3i3o

    3i3o

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    What was the Egyptian reply?
    Is Cyprus a member of NATO too?
    If petrol does not exist in our national borders, is their a UN treaty for similar situations?
     
    S

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    Turkey Sends Warships to Cyprus amid rows over oil deals

    Turkey has sent warships to international waters off Cyprus amid a growing row over oil and gas exploration deals the island's internationally recognized government signed with Egypt and Lebanon, the NTV news channel reported.

    Source: AFP
     
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    Turkish military chief denies sending warships in a show of force against Cyprus

    Did some more research and here's what I found on iht.com:

    Turkish military chief denies sending warships in a show of force against Cyprus

    Turkey's military chief on Thursday denied news reports that the country had dispatched military warships into the Mediterranean as a show of force against Cyprus in a dispute over oil and gas exploration rights.

    Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, the military chief of staff, told reporters that Turkish warships routinely patrol the Aegean and the eastern Mediterranean, but that no new force had been sent around Cyprus.

    "We already have ships that patrol the eastern Mediterranean, the Aegean. It's nothing new," Buyukanit said. "There is no need to send new warships."

    Earlier, private NTV television had reported that Turkey sent battleships to the region to show Cyprus it was determined to safeguard its rights in the eastern Mediterranean.

    Turkey had warned Lebanon and Egypt on Tuesday not to press ahead with oil and gas exploration deals signed with Cyprus, saying Turkey and Turkish Cypriots also had rights in the region.

    Cyprus said Wednesday it would protest to the U.N. and the EU over Turkey's warnings, and vowed to press ahead with a tender for the project.

    On Thursday, Cyprus's Foreign Ministry official Alexandros Zenon said his country was monitoring the situation and would "act accordingly" if there is a violation of its territorial waters.

    "The way Turkey behaved in recent days makes it a destabilizing factor in the area, at a time when our wider region needs stability," the Cyprus News Agency quoted Zenon as saying.

    Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat said in Istanbul Thursday that his state, which is not recognized internationally, would not give up on exploration rights.

    "In the same way that we did not give up on Cyprus, we won't give up our rights to its resources," Talat said. "We have equal rights on the island."

    Talat said it was not unusual for Turkish ships to sail around Cyprus.

    Greece and Turkey remain at odds over Cyprus and over boundaries in the Aegean Sea, despite efforts in the past decade to resolve disputes and gain Greek backing for Turkey's bid to join the European Union.

    Cyprus has been divided into a Greek Cypriot south — home of the internationally recognized government — and Turkish Cypriot north since a Turkish invasion in 1974 sparked by a coup supporting union of the island with Greece.

    Turkey has no diplomatic relations with the government in the south and supports a breakaway Turkish Cypriot state, recognized only by Ankara.

    Turkey and Greece came to the brink of war in early 1987 over a similar oil drilling rights dispute in the Aegean Sea. A clash was averted after Turkey withdrew a seismic exploration ship and agreed not to test in contested waters if Greece did the same.
     
    elhaj

    elhaj

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    يا اخوان

    القصة و ما فيها انو الصحف التركية و بعض النواب الاتراك هم من اتباع الحلف السوري الايراني و ما بستبعد انو يكون لهم دور بقتل الرئيس الشهيد .... هم يعرفون تماما انو الرئيس السنيورة من اصدق الناس و هو ان حدث صدق و ان وعد وفى و ان اؤتمن حافظ ... ام كلامهم فمحض افتراءات و كذب ... و ستنظر قوى 14 آذار المجيدة في اجتماعها المفبل بامر تحريض اتباع و فلول النظام الامني السوري اللبناني و الحلف السوري الايراني الاتراك و ستصدر بيان يتلوه صقور الحرية في 14 أآذار /مش 14 شباط / الياس عطا الله و وابو فاعور و سمير فرنجية و الفارس الآذاري فارس سعيد يستنكر ما تفعله الامتدادات التركية للحلف السوري الايراني و يطالب بضم هذه الحقائق الى ملف اغتيال الرئيس الشهيد و بانعقاد مجلس الامن لان النظام السوري و حليفه المجوسي الصفوي اصاب تأثيرهم الحكومة التركية فاصبحت مرغمة على التصرف كما تتصرف

    نعم انه الحلف المجوسي الصفوي الايراني السوري.... الحرية لتركيا من قتلة الرئيس الشهيد​
     
    Motorcity

    Motorcity

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    يا اخوان

    القصة و ما فيها انو الصحف التركية و بعض النواب الاتراك هم من اتباع الحلف السوري الايراني و ما بستبعد انو يكون لهم دور بقتل الرئيس الشهيد .... هم يعرفون تماما انو الرئيس السنيورة من اصدق الناس و هو ان حدث صدق و ان وعد وفى و ان اؤتمن حافظ ... ام كلامهم فمحض افتراءات و كذب ... و ستنظر قوى 14 آذار المجيدة في اجتماعها المفبل بامر تحريض اتباع و فلول النظام الامني السوري اللبناني و الحلف السوري الايراني الاتراك و ستصدر بيان يتلوه صقور الحرية في 14 أآذار /مش 14 شباط / الياس عطا الله و وابو فاعور و سمير فرنجية و الفارس الآذاري فارس سعيد يستنكر ما تفعله الامتدادات التركية للحلف السوري الايراني و يطالب بضم هذه الحقائق الى ملف اغتيال الرئيس الشهيد و بانعقاد مجلس الامن لان النظام السوري و حليفه المجوسي الصفوي اصاب تأثيرهم الحكومة التركية فاصبحت مرغمة على التصرف كما تتصرف

    نعم انه الحلف المجوسي الصفوي الايراني السوري.... الحرية لتركيا من قتلة الرئيس الشهيد​
    :thumbup:
    Like you say in your signature:
    :rolleyes: لأجل لبنان.... لك جابو أجلو ل لبنان
     
    Observer

    Observer

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    Sorry to burst your bubble. I assure you that there is not much oil under the sea. i think if they dig deep beneeth our sea floor they will get nothing more than sewage. It is only a political matter between Cyprus and Turkey where the turks want the turkish side of the island to have its share. For the turks the Turkish island is a matter of national interests. It is deep down their nationalism. It is so deep that Turkey is ready to go to war to protect the interests of the turkish island.
     
    justanotherlebanese

    justanotherlebanese

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    Sorry to burst your bubble. I assure you that there is not much oil under the sea. i think if they dig deep beneeth our sea floor they will get nothing more than sewage. It is only a political matter between Cyprus and Turkey where the turks want the turkish side of the island to have its share. For the turks the Turkish island is a matter of national interests. It is deep down their nationalism. It is so deep that Turkey is ready to go to war to protect the interests of the turkish island.
    oh...please burst my bubble and show us the evidence that you have indicating that offshore oil reserves are negligible.
     
    Thuggishh_E

    Thuggishh_E

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    يا اخوان

    القصة و ما فيها انو الصحف التركية و بعض النواب الاتراك هم من اتباع الحلف السوري الايراني و ما بستبعد انو يكون لهم دور بقتل الرئيس الشهيد .... هم يعرفون تماما انو الرئيس السنيورة من اصدق الناس و هو ان حدث صدق و ان وعد وفى و ان اؤتمن حافظ ... ام كلامهم فمحض افتراءات و كذب ... و ستنظر قوى 14 آذار المجيدة في اجتماعها المفبل بامر تحريض اتباع و فلول النظام الامني السوري اللبناني و الحلف السوري الايراني الاتراك و ستصدر بيان يتلوه صقور الحرية في 14 أآذار /مش 14 شباط / الياس عطا الله و وابو فاعور و سمير فرنجية و الفارس الآذاري فارس سعيد يستنكر ما تفعله الامتدادات التركية للحلف السوري الايراني و يطالب بضم هذه الحقائق الى ملف اغتيال الرئيس الشهيد و بانعقاد مجلس الامن لان النظام السوري و حليفه المجوسي الصفوي اصاب تأثيرهم الحكومة التركية فاصبحت مرغمة على التصرف كما تتصرف

    نعم انه الحلف المجوسي الصفوي الايراني السوري.... الحرية لتركيا من قتلة الرئيس الشهيد​

    El horr great post !
    I'm waiting for Fares S3eyd reaction & Mr.Roger Edde & 2arabto the one & only Carlos.



    seriously now why this issue isn't raised that much in the Media?
     
    CedarLb

    CedarLb

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    How much petroleum is there around Cyprus?
    February 7, 2007 Energy


    Cyprus has already explored for petroleum. University experts began looking back in the 1970s but the results were never announced. However, it is believed that potentially interesting deposits were found in two areas – south of Cyprus, where there is a huge deposit named “Eratosthenes,” and in the Kylikeia basin, stretching from the shores of northern Cyprus to the coast of Asia Minor.

    In the area around Eratosthenes, seismic investigations have been conducted by an American-owned Norwegian firm, which is to sell the results of its findings to companies that will undertake the drilling. The area of interest has been divided into 14 blocks. The main disadvantage of the exploration is the great depths of the sea, making drilling very expensive (about $20-50 million for each drill at such depths).

    Viable deposits

    Nevertheless there is a very strong likelihood that economically viable petroleum deposits will be found there. At a presentation in London last November, more than 40 firms showed an interest.

    The Cypriot Republic has contracted the French petroleum exploration firm Beicip, which Greece used for exploration in the 1970s, the results of which were not announced. The firm knows the region well and in a report claimed that the Aegean could be of particular interest.

    Among the major firms that have shown an interest in
    the region south of Cyprus is Shell, which has been granted a concession by Egypt.

    It is generally believed that the establishment of an Exclusive Economic Zone between Egypt, Cyprus and Lebanon is very important and skillfully designed. It avoids the region that could potentially include Kastellorizo and thereby lead to further claims by Turkey.

    Turkey’s claims

    It seems that it will be years before anyone finds out what is in the eastern Mediterranean around Cyprus. Turkey, however, is impatient to freeze the issue and is raising claims as a preventive measure. At the same time, it wants to send a political message to Cyprus that although it is a full member of the European Union, it cannot make decisions on matters concerning it without Ankara’s approval. Nicosia has not yet responded to Turkey’s rhetoric, and the question now is how far Turkey will go, and how much patience Cyprus will be capable of.

    Source: tayyar.org
     
    Dry Ice

    Dry Ice

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    Turkish Cyprus asks UN to block Nicosia energy deals
    By Agence France Presse (AFP)

    Thursday, February 08, 2007

    NICOSIA: Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat has written to UN chief Ban Ki-moon staking a claim to oil and gas reserves off divided Cyprus, saying any exploration deals should come after reunification and not before. "Mr. Talat has sent a letter to the UN secretary general clarifying the position of the Turkish Cypriot side regarding the attempts of the Greek Cypriot side to sign agreements with neighboring countries," spokesman Hasan Ercakica said in a statement made public Wednesday.

    "We hope the international community will conclude that an issue like oil exploration in Cyprus ... be undertaken after a settlement is reached," he added.

    Talat, whose Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is recognized only by Ankara, has previously said his community would not give up on what he called its exploration rights.

    The European Commission on Friday backed Cyprus' right to negotiate offshore oil and gas exploration rights with Egypt and Lebanon, amid reports of a naval build-up in the Eastern Mediterranean by Turkey. Both the EU and the United States have urged restraint over the row so as not to heighten tensions in the region.

    Ankara has denied stepping up its naval presence amid the growing row with Cyprus over exploration rights.

    But the Turkish Foreign Ministry has sternly warned Egypt and Lebanon to delay the oil and gas deals which it said infringed the rights of the island's breakaway Turkish Cypriot statelet.

    Turkey declared the deals with Lebanon and Egypt invalid, saying it was "determined to protect its rights and interests in the Eastern Mediterranean and will not allow attempts that would erode them".

    Cyprus says it will press ahead with a February 15 tender launch for oil exploration and drilling rights within Cyprus' exclusive economic zone beneath the seabed. Estimated oil deposits are put at around 8-10 billion barrels.
     
    Dry Ice

    Dry Ice

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    Cypriot president will not back down in oil exploration dispute with Turkey

    The Associated Press
    February 11, 2007

    ATHENS, Greece: The president of Cyprus said in a newspaper interview published Sunday that he has received assurances from Egypt and Lebanon that they will go ahead with oil and gas exploration deals with the island despite threats from Turkey.

    Cyprus signed a deal with Lebanon last month to mark out their undersea border to facilitate future oil and gas exploration. It signed a similar deal with Egypt last year and agreed to jointly exploit potential oil and gas fields.

    Turkey protested the deals, saying it had "legitimate and legal rights and interests" in the eastern Mediterranean. It insisted Turkish Cypriots should also have a say in the island's oil and gas rights.

    In his first comments since Turkey warned Egypt and Lebanon not to press ahead with the deal, Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos said he received assurances from both countries that they will honor their agreements.

    "The reassurances we have is that they — Lebanon and Egypt — will respect the bilateral agreements we have signed," Papadopoulos said in an interview with the To Vima newspaper

    Bidding will begin Feb. 15 for offshore oil and gas exploration licenses, Papadopoulos said. Evaluation of applications will take place over the next six months.

    The first round of exploration licensing involves 11 offshore blocks totaling around 60,000 square kilometers, or 23,000 square miles.

    Papadopoulos said Cyprus will not surrender its sovereign rights and "will not bow to threats."

    "The national wealth belongs to the sovereign state, which is called the Republic of Cyprus, and not to one or the other community or groups of citizens" Papadopoulos said. "We are not the ones who are being provocative and illegal."

    Turkey does not recognize the island's Greek Cypriot government, and instead backs a breakaway Turkish Cypriot state in the north. The island has been divided since a Turkish invasion in 1974, triggered by a Greek Cypriot coup attempt by supporters of union with Greece.

    According to Papadopoulos, a survey was "encouraging." But he said it could take "six or seven years before Cyprus could benefit."

    The Norwegian company PGS Geophysical AS recently completed a two-dimensional seismic survey of the area — covering some 70,000 square kilometers (27,000 square miles) to the south, southwest and southeast of Cyprus.

    Papadopoulos said he was confident a solution to the island's division will be found by the time any deposits are ready for exploitation.

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    It's funny how we have to hear in the foreign press about such developments....
     
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