Living under the US empire

Lebanon_not_Arabic

Lebanon_not_Arabic

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Unlike some empires, the US empire does not seek to expand its civilization, but rather to control/destroy others and steal their resources. Similar to the Ottoman empire and before that, to the Mongol empire.
Is there any missing empire between the Ottomans and the Mongols ?
 
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  • Le منشار

    Le منشار

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    yet some members here, still insist that the US is an empire, because their no better communist friends fed them the word "imperialieh".
    the US is NOT an EMPIRE !! the US soldiers, can't go around with their families and mix in with the population normally. They live in heavily fortified bases with weapons on alert 24/7 because they know they are mercaneries and looters. They take and give nothing back !!
     
    Le منشار

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    Is there any missing empire between the Ottomans and the Mongols ?
    the Ottoman empire was first welcome and was applying the law of the Shari3a, later when they started to let crusader ambassadors meddle in
    the affairs of the empire and the Ottomans started copying crusaders habits and behaviors, it became an enemy and a burden for Muslims.

    The Mongols are similar to the US, they came to loot and destroy the history and the civilization. they were destroyed at the borders of Egypt and Saudi Arabia
     
    Lebanon_not_Arabic

    Lebanon_not_Arabic

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    the Ottoman empire was first welcome and was applying the law of the Shari3a, later when they started to let crusader ambassadors meddle in
    the affairs of the empire and the Ottomans started copying crusaders habits and behaviors, it became an enemy and a burden for Muslims.

    The Mongols are similar to the US, they came to loot and destroy the history and the civilization. they were destroyed at the borders of Egypt and Saudi Arabia
    Nice.... but that was not my question.
     
    Le منشار

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    Nice.... but that was not my question.

    ظلت القبائل في منازعاتها وتمزقها حتى ظهور جنكيزخان الذي وحّد تحت إمرته قبائل المغول والتتار، وابتدأ فتوحه في شمال الصين فأخضع معظمها، ثم اتـجه غرباً، فدمَّر الدولة الخوارزمية واحتل ممالكها على التتابع: بلاد ما وراء النهر ثم خراسان ثم فارس.

    ثم تقسمت دولة المغول إلى ثلاثة أقسام، كان القسم الجنوبي الغربي من نصيب هولاكو. فتابعت جيوشهم المسير حتى دخلت بغداد عنوةً (656هـ)، ثم قتل المغول الخليفةَ العباسيَّ بعدما أعطوه الأمان، وقتلوا حاميةَ بغداد. ثم اجتاحوا بلاد الشام ودخلوا دمشق (في مارس 1260م = 658هـ)، وهنا يصل بالبريد خبر موت الخاقان الأعظم للمغول (منكوخان) في قراقورم ويُستدعى أولاد وأحفاد جنكيز خان إلى مجلس الشورى المغولي (قورولتای [الفارسية]) لانتخاب الخان الأعظم الجديد للإمبراطورية؛ فيرجع هولاكو (وهو أخو منكو خان، وأحد المؤهّلين للعرش) بمعظم جيشه إلى فارس، ليتابع أمور العاصمة المغولية (قراقوروم بمنغوليا) عن كثب، ولا يترك في بلاد الشام إلا جيشاً صغيراً من المغول بقيادة أحد أبرز ضباطه واسمه كيتوبوقا أو كتبغا (و هو قائد عسكري محنك من قبيلة النايمان التركية). فينهزم ذلك الجيش على يد المماليك في معركة عين جالوت، في فلسطين بقيادة بيبرس (القيادة العليا كانت لقطز). كما انهم قاموا بمحاولة
    غزو اليابان
     
    Le منشار

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    قيام الدولة العثمانية (1299–1453)، توفي "كندز ألب" في العام التالي لنزوح عشيرته إلى حوض دجلة، فترأس العشيرة ابنه سليمان، ثم حفيده "أرطغرل" الذي ارتحل مع عشيرته إلى مدينة إرزينجان، وكانت مسرحًا للقتال بين السلاجقة والخوارزميين، فالتحق بخدمة السلطان علاء الدين سلطان قونية، إحدى الإمارات السلجوقية التي تأسست عقب انحلال دولة السلاجقة العظام،[1][معلومة 1] وسانده في حروبه ضد الخوارزميين، فكافأه السلطان السلجوقي بأن أقطع عشيرته بعض الأراضي الخصبة قرب مدينة أنقرة.[2] وظل أرطغرل حليفًا للسلاجقة حتى أقطعه السلطان السلجوقي منطقة في أقصى الشمال الغربي من الأناضول على الحدود البيزنطية، في المنطقة المعروفة باسم "سوغوت" حول مدينة أسكي شهر، حيث بدأت العشيرة هناك حياة جديدة إلى جانب إمارات تركمانية سبقتها إلى المنطقة. علا شأن أرطغرل لدى السلطان بعد أن أثبت إخلاصه للسلاجقة، وأظهرت عشيرته كفاءة قتالية عالية في كل معركة ووجدت دومًا في مقدمة الجيوش وتمّ النصر على يدي أبنائها،[1] فكافأه السلطان بأن خلع عليه لقب "أوج بكي"، أي محافظ الحدود، اعترافًا بعظم أمره.[2] غير أن أرطغرل كان ذا أطماع سياسية بعيدة، فلم يقنع بهذه المنطقة التي أقطعه إياها السلطان السلجوقي، ولا باللقب الذي ظفر به، ولا بمهمة حراسة الحدود والحفاظ عليها؛ بل شرع يهاجم باسم السلطان ممتلكات البيزنطيين في الأناضول،[3] فاستولى على مدينة أسكي شهر وضمها إلى أملاكه، واستطاع أن يوسع أراضيه خلال مدة نصف قرن قضاها كأمير على مقاطعة حدودية، وتوفي في سنة 1281م عن عمر يُناهز التسعين عامًا،[4] بعد أن منح لقب كبير آخر هو "غازي"،[5] تقديرًا لفتوحاته وغزواته.


    السلطان الغازي عثمان خان الأول،[معلومة 2] مؤسس الدولة العثمانية.

    بعد أرطغرل تولّى زعامة الإمارة ابنه عثمان، فأخلص الولاء للدولة السلجوقية على الرغم مما كانت تتخبط فيه من اضطراب وما كان يتهددها من أخطار

     
    Abou Sandal

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    yet some members here, still insist that the US is an empire, because their no better communist friends fed them the word "imperialieh".
    the US is NOT an EMPIRE !! the US soldiers, can't go around with their families and mix in with the population normally. They live in heavily fortified bases with weapons on alert 24/7 because they know they are mercaneries and looters. They take and give nothing back !!
    Again, you have a definition of the word "Empire" that is completely rigid and fixated, mixing too much between activities,tools and goals. Now getting to label others the way you did, for having a different definition is also an erroneous conclusion that shows even more your tendency to perceive and understand your surrounding in a rigid and fixated manner that takes you most of the time to a parallel World of fantasies.

    Anyway, the name is not important. Call it the way you like and others will call it the way they deem better fit. It's fall fine, as long as we still talk about the same entity, and study its raison d'etre and its course of action, among other traits.
     
    Abou Sandal

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    We do not steal, we buy.
    The "We" is misplaced. Don't get yourself too confident. You are not to assimilate yourself to the Empire. An Empire is not the people living under it. You are only a subject of that Empire. Just like the rest, though in a better category than some, but also in a worse category than others.

    Anyway, this Empire buys, steals and loots at the same time. It's just a matter of dealing with reality and available tools, in a certain place and at a certain time.
     
    Dark Angel

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    yet some members here, still insist that the US is an empire, because their no better communist friends fed them the word "imperialieh".
    the US is NOT an EMPIRE !! the US soldiers, can't go around with their families and mix in with the population normally. They live in heavily fortified bases with weapons on alert 24/7 because they know they are mercaneries and looters. They take and give nothing back !!
    do not blame your shortcomings on others; the arabs have a long tradition of destroying each other and they are still true to that. in their majority they have not learned much from the countless lessons they went through. the day they assume responsibility of their own actions and face up to what they themselves are doing is the day when the whole region could hope for a better future.

    however when you always insist on blaming others, it is a serious indication that much more death, destruction and violence are on the way. you are responsible for your own actions. the misery inflicting major regions of the arab world is their own doing in its biggest part.
     
    Le منشار

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    Again, you have a definition of the word "Empire" that is completely rigid and fixated, mixing too much between activities,tools and goals. Now getting to label others the way you did, for having a different definition is also an erroneous conclusion that shows even more your tendency to perceive and understand your surrounding in a rigid and fixated manner that takes you most of the time to a parallel World of fantasies.

    Anyway, the name is not important. Call it the way you like and others will call it the way they deem better fit. It's fall fine, as long as we still talk about the same entity, and study its raison d'etre and its course of action, among other traits.
    yeah like calling a Chicken's egg, "Kinder surprise". an egg is an egg. it has not other definition.
    may you should go check on other empires in history then comeback and write.
    I think the word "shit hole" fits the US perfectly.
     
    Le منشار

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    do not blame your shortcomings on others; the arabs have a long tradition of destroying each other and they are still true to that. in their majority they have not learned much from the countless lessons they went through. the day they assume responsibility of their own actions and face up to what they themselves are doing is the day when the whole region could hope for a better future.

    however when you always insist on blaming others, it is a serious indication that much more death, destruction and violence are on the way. you are responsible for your own actions. the misery inflicting major regions of the arab world is their own doing in its biggest part.
    This is only true when Americans stay in America and when Russians stay in Russia, not when they come to destroy your country and occupy it by force.
    Else you have no right to blame the Syrians for occupying Lebanon, nor the Israelis. yalla, pick and choose.

    Let this be clear to you, the Americans or the Russians will never be welcome in our countries when they come wielding a sword.
    some of the peopulation will bow to them, others will plant a KABOOM for them and wait for their convoy or patrol to pass by.
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    correction: we destroy and steal resources. the money we paid for oil and gas, we come back to reclaim it by blackmailing the countries who sold it.


    I do not see the connection to our conversation - where is USA and where is steal?
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    The "We" is misplaced. Don't get yourself too confident. You are not to assimilate yourself to the Empire. An Empire is not the people living under it. You are only a subject of that Empire. Just like the rest, though in a better category than some, but also in a worse category than others.

    Anyway, this Empire buys, steals and loots at the same time. It's just a matter of dealing with reality and available tools, in a certain place and at a certain time.
    It's not Lebanon, We The People.
     
    Le منشار

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    I do not see the connection to our conversation - where is USA and where is steal?
    of course, you won't see the connection until someone drops a kaboom on your house, or your district or your city.
    just like 11 spetember. the thieves understood the connection for the first time after WWII.
    .
     
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