Living under Zionist Israel [Unrest in Jerusalem]

Gsheb

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Brilliant B&J move, not Jews and Arabs will be eating their ice cream.

B&J's market in Israel is probably infinitesimal relative to its worldwide market. In the US, 40% of Jews under 40 will be loving Ben & Jerry's. The rest of the population either wouldn't give a shit or even eat more of it. It's a win, win. Israel is a losing brand. Soon many more companies will figure that out, and the domino effect will start. Why else would you think Israel is so desperate to lobby for anti-BDS laws that have no teeth and are getting struck down in courts all over the country as we speak.
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Legendary Member
B&J's market in Israel is probably infinitesimal relative to its worldwide market. In the US, 40% of Jews under 40 will be loving Ben & Jerry's. The rest of the population either wouldn't give a shit or even eat more of it. It's a win, win. Israel is a losing brand. Soon many more companies will figure that out, and the domino effect will start. Why else would you think Israel is so desperate to lobby for anti-BDS laws that have no teeth and are getting struck down in courts all over the country as we speak.
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Gsheb

New Member
Political figures whose numbers appear in the list include:

The South African president, Cyril Ramaphosa, who appears to have been selected by Rwanda in 2019.

Emmanuel Macron, the French president, who appears to have been selected as a person of interest by Morocco in 2019. An Élysée official said: “If this is proven, it is clearly very serious. All light will be shed on these media revelations.”

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the World Health Organization’s director general, who also appears to have been of interest to Morocco in 2019.

Saad Hariri, who resigned as prime minister of Lebanon last week and appears to have been selected by the UAE in 2018 and 2019.

Charles Michel, the president of the European Council, who appears to have been chosen as a person of interest by Morocco in 2019, when he was prime minister of Belgium.

King Mohammed VI of Morocco, who was selected as a person of interest in 2019, apparently by security forces in his own country.

Saadeddine Othmani, Morocco’s prime minister, who was also selected as a person of interest in 2018 and 2019, again possibly by elements within his own country.

Imran Khan, the prime minister of Pakistan, who was selected as a person of interest by India in 2019.

Felipe Calderón of Mexico, the former president. His number was selected in 2016 and 2017 by what is believed to have been a Mexican client during a period when his wife, Margarita Zavala was running for the country’s top political job.

Robert Malley, a longtime American diplomat who was chief negotiator on the US-Iran deal, and who appears to have been selected as a person of interest by Morocco in 2019. NSO has said its government clients are prevented from deploying its software against US numbers because it has been made “technically impossible”.


Coincidence that all of this was done by UAE, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, India? All states with close or nascent ties with Israel. That's the true value of the "Abraham accords". More tools for repression.
 

Gsheb

New Member
Netenyahu's legacy.

Pegasus project turns spotlight on spyware firm NSO’s ties to Israeli state​

The NSO Group chief executive, Shalev Hulio

The NSO Group chief executive, Shalev Hulio. A recent transparency report acknowledges the firm is ‘closely regulated’ by export control authorities in Israel. Composite: Guardian/Reuters
Disclosures about political figures put Israel under increasing pressure over extent of surveillance

Stephanie Kirchgaessner in Washington, Oliver Holmes in Jerusalem and Shaun Walker in Budapest
Tue 20 Jul 2021 12.00 BST
Last modified on Tue 20 Jul 2021 14.17 BST


Back in 2017, few would have disputed that Israel and Saudi Arabia were regional foes. Officially, the countries had no diplomatic ties. Yet for a small group of Israeli businesspeople attending secret meetings with Saudi officials in Vienna, Cyprus and Riyadh that summer, there were signs relations were warming.
The businesspeople represented NSO Group. Their mission was to sell the Saudis NSO’s weapons–grade spyware system, Pegasus.

According to a person who attended the meeting in June 2017 in Cyprus, a senior Saudi intelligence official was “amazed” by what he saw. After a lengthy and technical discussion, the Saudi spy, who had brought a new iPhone, was shown how Pegasus could infect the phone and then be used to remotely operate its camera.
“You don’t need to understand the language to see they were amazed and excited and that they saw what they needed to,” the person said.

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NSO Group had been given explicit permission by the Israeli government to try to sell the homegrown hacking tools to the Saudis. It was a classified arrangement and resulted in the sale later being sealed in Riyadh in a deal reportedly worth at least $55m.
“In Israel there is a strong political movement to make diplomacy through business,” said the person, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “Business first, diplomacy later. When you make a deal together, it opens a lot of doors to diplomacy.”
It is common for governments to help companies export their products. NSO, after all, employs former Israeli cyber-intelligence officials and retains links to the defence ministry.
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But revelations about how repressive states such as Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Azerbaijan and others have used NSO’s technology to target human rights lawyers, activists and journalists raise questions for Israel and have put the issue under fresh scrutiny.

The disclosures threaten to put diplomatic pressure on Israel, amid questions over whether it is using the licensing of NSO’s spyware for political leverage – and allowing the software to be sold to undemocratic countries that are likely to misuse it.

A recent transparency report released by NSO Group acknowledged the company was “closely regulated” by export control authorities in Israel. The Defense Export Controls Agency (DECA) within the Israeli defence ministry “strictly restricts” the licensing of some surveillance products based on its own analysis of potential customers from a human rights perspective, the company said, and had rejected NSO requests for export licences “in quite a few cases”.

Moreover, NSO was also subject to an “in-depth” regulatory review by Israel on top of its own “robust internal framework”.

The Azerbaijani president, Ilham Aliyev, who in 2016 praised Benjamin Netanyahu for Israel’s close cooperation with Baku on defence industries

The Azerbaijani president, Ilham Aliyev, who in 2016 praised Benjamin Netanyahu for Israel’s close cooperation with Baku on defence industries. Photograph: Roman Ismayilov/EPA
Within NSO, the process Israel uses to assess whether countries can be sold the technology is considered a “state secret”. A person familiar with the process said officials in both Israel’s national security council and prime minister’s office had been known to give their input.

In the case of Saudi Arabia, sources familiar with the matter said the kingdom was temporarily cut off from using Pegasus in 2018, for several months, following the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, but was allowed to begin using the spyware again in 2019 following the intervention of the Israeli government.

It is unclear why the Israeli government urged NSO to reconnect the surveillance tool for Riyadh.

However, the 10 countries that the forensic analysis for the Pegasus project suggests have actually been abusing the technology all enjoy trade relations with Israel or have diplomatic ties with the country that have been improving markedly in recent years.

In two NSO client countries, India and Hungary, it appears governments began using the company’s technology as or after their respective prime ministers met the then Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, in high-profile encounters intended to boost trade and security cooperation. It is understood no countries that are considered enemies of Israel – such as Turkey – have been allowed to buy NSO’s wares.

Benjamin Netanyahu, left, and the Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán at a signing ceremony in Budapest in 2017

Benjamin Netanyahu, left, and Viktor Orbán, meeting in Budapest in 2017. Photograph: Balázs Mohai/AP
“Markets dictate what works, I don’t dictate … the only place I have actually intervened … is cybersecurity,” Netanyahu said in a press conference in Hungary in 2017 as he stood next to the country’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán.

What remains unclear is whether Israel’s intelligence agencies might have special privileges with NSO, such as access to surveillance material gathered using its spyware. One person close to the company, who asked to remain anonymous, said it was a frequent topic of speculation. Asked whether Israel could access intelligence gathered by NSO clients, they replied: “The Americans think so.”

That view was supported by current and former US intelligence officials, who told the Washington Post, a partner in the Pegasus project, that there was a presumption that Israel had some access – via a “backdoor” – to intelligence unearthed via such surveillance tools.

John Scott-Railton, a senior researcher at the Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto, said he believed it would be “irresponsible” for a state to allow the large-scale distribution of a powerful surveillance tool such as Pegasus without being able to keep an eye on what was being done with it.

He said court records had revealed that NSO used servers that were not always located on the premises of the client. “What that means is there’s the potential for visibility. And it would be crazy for them [the Israelis] not to have visibility,” he said.

NSO strongly denied that Israel had any access to its customers’ systems.

“NSO Group is a private company. It is not a ‘tool of Israeli diplomacy’; it is not a backdoor for Israeli intelligence; and it does not take direction from any government leader,” NSO’s lawyer said.

In a statement, the Israeli Ministry of Defense said Israel marketed and exported cyber products in accordance with its 2007 Defense Export Control Act and that policy decisions take “national security and strategic considerations” into account, which include adherence to international arrangements.

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“As a matter of policy, the state of Israel approves the export of cyber products exclusively to governmental entities, for lawful use, and only for the purpose of preventing and investigating crime and counter-terrorism, under end-use/end-user certificates provided by the acquiring government,” the ministry said.

It said “appropriate measures” were taken in cases where exported items are used in violation of export licences.

The ministry added: “Israel does not have access to the information gathered by NSO’s clients.”

For Israel, few clients whom it has approved to use Pegasus have been as problematic as Saudi. Weeks ago, NSO cut the kingdom off once more, following allegations that Saudi had used Pegasus to hack dozens of Al Jazeera journalists.

Saudi Arabia declined to comment.

 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Legendary Member
"Lebanon-based terrorists fired two rockets toward northern Israel early Tuesday morning.
One of the rockets was intercepted by the Iron Dome Defense System and the second rocket fell in an open area inside Israel.
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Gsheb

New Member
That desperate... The world tides must be turning...

Israeli PM warns Ben & Jerry parent Unilever of ‘severe consequences’ over sales ban​


You should read the 'letter' the Israeli envoy in the US sent to governors. It looks like a college admission essay he wrote in 10 minutes, begging them to do something. Never seen anything more laughable and pathetic than that. They are panicking over ice cream, and it's just the beginning.
 

Danny Z

Legendary Member
That desperate... The world tides must be turning...

Israeli PM warns Ben & Jerry parent Unilever of ‘severe consequences’ over sales ban​

Ben & Jerry cannot ignore Vermonters and the campaign they have been subjected to Vermonters for Justice in Palestine, Vermonters they are its biggest consumer and the brand recognition came from Vermont, their first shop is still operating in downtown Burlington. Vermont is the state of Bernie Sanders, it is considerd to be on of if not the most Liberal state in the US and it can bring big damage to the brand if Vermonters boycott B&J. Pressure and boycotts do work
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Legendary Member
Ben & Jerry cannot ignore Vermonters and the campaign they have been subjected to Vermonters for Justice in Palestine, Vermonters they are its biggest consumer and the brand recognition came from Vermont, their first shop is still operating in downtown Burlington. Vermont is the state of Bernie Sanders, it is considerd to be on of if not the most Liberal state in the US and it can bring big damage to the brand if Vermonters boycott B&J. Pressure and boycotts do work

Vermont is the most important market - good one.

How about New York market, less important?
 

Gsheb

New Member
It's also fairly interesting that the Israeli government itself stopped distinguishing between the West Bank and Israel. Next time a company decides to boycott the occupied territories, the Israeli government will make sure it's an automatic boycott of Israel. Makes the job easier.
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Legendary Member
Yeah, their market are the few Orthodox delis in Brooklyn. :lol::lol:

Not even Jewish Democrats dared to open their mouth. After all, J Street probably reluctantly said yes and agreed with the boycott.

"few Orthodox delis in Brooklyn"

Why would you think there are so few in New York and in Vermont there would be so many?
Why would B&J forgo the most lucrative market in US and yet will have huge presence in the state with a lot less people living in it.
Are you just hoping it to be so and for whatever possible reason would it be?

BTW, if you think that B&J is off the hook, give it a week and see them peddling everything back and with apologies and sizable donations into Greater Israel fund. :lol:
 

Gsheb

New Member
"few Orthodox delis in Brooklyn"

Why would you think there are so few in New York and in Vermont there would be so many?
Why would B&J forgo the most lucrative market in US and yet will have huge presence in the state with a lot less people living in it.
Are you just hoping it to be so and for whatever possible reason would it be?

BTW, if you think that B&J is off the hook, give it a week and see them peddling everything back and with apologies and sizable donations into Greater Israel fund. :lol:

Of course it was a stupid mistake on my part to engage with someone so utterly devoid of basic reading comprehension and straightforward logic.

There will be no backlash in New York except in those few Orthodox run delis. There are probably more Arabs in New York than Jews at this point. The rest are progressive or don't give a shit. Welcome to the laws of democracy where numbers matter and you're a negligible minority. Not that they have that much say anyhow, but when the largest mainstream liberal Jewish organization gives the green light for the boycott, you know nothing will happen.

BTW did you like what Biden had to say about this? ROFL. In fairness, he appears to care about Israel's histrionics as much as he does about Palestinians.

I will remind you in a week. :lol:

Now take several seats.
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Legendary Member
Of course it was a stupid mistake on my part to engage with someone so utterly devoid of basic reading comprehension and straightforward logic.

There will be no backlash in New York except in those few Orthodox run delis. There are probably more Arabs in New York than Jews at this point. The rest are progressive or don't give a shit. Welcome to the laws of democracy where numbers matter and you're a negligible minority. Not that they have that much say anyhow, but when the largest mainstream liberal Jewish organization gives the green light for the boycott, you know nothing will happen.

BTW did you like what Biden had to say about this? ROFL. In fairness, he appears to care about Israel's histrionics as much as he does about Palestinians.

I will remind you in a week. :lol:

Now take several seats.

Why did you switch to backlash? Didn't you understand the question?:

"Vermont is the most important market - good one. How about New York market, less important?"

... and you call me stupid! Oh, irony.

You know, I do not think you are stupid, I think you are weak.
 

Gsheb

New Member
Why did you switch to backlash? Didn't you understand the question?:

"Vermont is the most important market - good one. How about New York market, less important?"

... and you call me stupid! Oh, irony.

You know, I do not think you are stupid, I think you are weak.

I made no reference to Vermont in the first place. Your question was as superfluous as you are.

I think you are desperate. 🤣 Let's go back to this in a week and see if your prediction will fall.
 
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