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MALI: France’s newest Quagmire

J. Abizeid

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Vive la France and blame it on Mali.

Vive la France and blame it on Mali.


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J. Abizeid

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French soldier killed in Mali, Belmokhtar fate unsure

By Gus Trompiz and Joe Penney
PARIS/GAO, Mali (Reuters) - France said on Sunday a third French soldier had been killed in fierce fighting with Islamist rebels in northern Mali but could not confirm Chad's report that its troops had killed the al Qaeda commander behind January's mass hostage-taking in Algeria.
A whirlwind seven-week campaign has driven al Qaeda-linked fighters who took over northern Mali last April into mountain and desert redoubts, where they are being hunted by hundreds of French, Chadian and Malian troops.
France's defense ministry said 26-year-old Corporal Cedric Charenton was shot dead on Saturday during an assault on an Islamist hideout in the desolate Adrar des Ifoghas mountains near Algeria, the third French soldier killed in the campaign.
French army spokesman Colonel Thierry Burkhard said some 15 Islamists were killed in some of the fiercest fighting during the campaign so far but that he could not confirm Chad's claim that its troops had killed al Qaeda commander Mokhtar Belmokhtar at a nearby camp in the remote Ametetai valley.
"We are facing a very fanatical adversary," Burkhard said, noting the Islamists were armed with rocket and grenade-launchers as well as machine guns, AK47 assault rifles and heavy weapons. "They are fighting without giving ground."
The death of Belmokhtar, nicknamed 'the uncatchable', has been reported several times in the past and analysts share caution shown by Paris in confirming his demise.
However, the latest report came a day after Chadian President Idriss Deby said Chadian forces had also killed Abdelhamid Abou Zeid, al Qaeda's other senior field commander in the Sahara.
The killing of Belmokhtar and Abou Zeid, if confirmed, would eliminate al Qaeda's leadership in Mali and raise questions over the fate of seven French hostages thought to be held by the group in northern Mali, an area the size of Texas.
Rudy Attalah, a former senior U.S. counterterrorism official focused on Africa and now head of risk analysis firm White Mountain research, was skeptical about Chad's claim.
He said Belmokhtar had in the past carefully avoided operating in the same area as Abou Zeid and was known as an elusive operator who shifted through the desert in small, mobile groups of fighters.
"I don't think they killed him at all," Atallah said, adding Chad might be seeking to divert domestic attention from its 26 soldiers killed in the operation. "Deby is under a lot of pressure. Announcing these killings redeems his troops."
An unidentified participant in militant website discussions said in a message posted on several jihadi forums that Belmoktar was "alive and well and leading the battles himself", the U.S.-based SITE monitoring service reported on Sunday.
Belmokhtar would soon issue a statement himself, SITE reported the participant saying.
Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) has pledged to avenge the French assault on its fighters in Mali, which Paris said it launched due to fears its former colony could become a launch pad for wider al Qaeda attacks.
Belmokhtar, whose smuggling activities the Sahara earned him the nickname "Mr Marlboro", became one of the world's most wanted jihadis after masterminding the raid on the In Amenas gas plant in Algeria in which more than 60 people were killed, including dozens of foreign hostages.
Abou Zeid is regarded as one of AQIM's most ruthless operators, responsible for the kidnapping of more than 20 Western hostages since 2008. He is believed to have killed British hostage Edwin Dyer in 2009 and 78-year-old Frenchman Michel Germaneau in 2010.
France and Mali have said they could not confirm his death.
French radio RFI and Algerian daily El Khabar have reported that DNA tests were being conducted on members of Abou Zeid's family to confirm whether a body recovered after fighting in Adrar des Ifoghas was indeed the Islamist leader.
Mali's army, meanwhile, said it had killed 52 Islamist rebels in desert fighting some 70 km (45 miles) east of Gao, northern Mali's largest town, with support from French helicopters and ground troops.
"There was a big fight with lots of enemy killed," said Lieutenant Colonel Nema Sagara, the Malian army's deputy commander in Gao. "Our troops went out to battle and they met them. There are no dead on the Malian side."

J. Abizeid

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Officials: 2 French journalists killed in Mali

This combination of undated photos provided by Radio France International shows journalists Ghislaine Dupont, left, and Claude Verlon. French and Malian officials said gunmen in Kidal, northern Mali abducted and killed the two French radio journalists on assignment Saturday, Nov. 2, 2013, grabbing the pair as they left the home of a rebel leader. / AP PHOTO/RFI

DAKAR, SENEGAGunmen abducted and killed two French radio journalists on assignment in northern Mali on Saturday, French and Malian officials said, grabbing the pair as they left the home of a rebel leader.
The deaths come four days after France rejoiced at the release of four of its citizens who had been held for three years by al Qaeda's affiliate in North Africa.
It was not immediately clear who had slain the French journalists. France launched a military intervention in January in its former colony to try and oust jihadists from power in Kidal and other towns across northern Mali. Separatist rebels have since returned to the area.
French President Francois Hollande expressed his "indignation at this odious act."
Claude Verlon and Ghislaine Dupont were grabbed by several armed men in a 4x4 after they finished an interview, officials said.
Their bodies were later dumped a dozen kilometers (miles) outside the town on the road leading to Tinessako, a community to the east of Kidal, according to a person who saw the bodies and four officials briefed on the matter.
Earlier Saturday, radio station RFI confirmed the kidnappings on its website, saying that Dupont, 51, and Verlon, 58, were taken at 1 p.m. by armed men in Kidal and had not been heard from since. RFI described the pair as professionals with long experience in challenging areas.
Dupont was a journalist "passionate about her job and the African continent that she covered since joining RFI in 1986," it said in a statement. Verlon was "used to difficult terrain throughout the world."
Staff members at RFI "are all in shock, profoundly saddened, indignant and angry," it said.
An investigation was underway, but suspicion immediately fell on Islamist militants.
"From the information I have, their throats were cut. We don't know for sure who took them, but the reports we are hearing indicate that they were Islamists," said Lassana Camara, the deputy prefect of Tinessako.
Several Kidal officials interviewed by telephone said that the RFI journalists were abducted after an interview at the house of Ambeiry Ag Rhissa, the acting head of the National Movement for the Liberation of the Azawad, or NMLA, a Tuareg separatist movement whose rebels invaded northern Mali last year. Those rebels were later chased out by al Qaeda's fighters in the region but have returned to prominence in Kidal in recent months.
Lt. Col. Oumar Sy, a Malian officer stationed in Kidal and involved in the investigation, said that everything pointed to the NMLA. The town is where the rebel group is headquartered, and the journalists were taken in front of the home of the group's acting head.
"We are in a town that is in the de facto hands of the NMLA. We learn that these poor people are taken in front of the house of an NMLA leader. No one lifts a finger to help them. What conclusion would you come to?" he said.
The French-led military operation succeeded in restoring government rule in all the regions formerly held by al Qaeda, with the exception of Kidal. Although the Malian military returned this summer, they remain mostly confined to their military base, largely unable to patrol the streets, where the NMLA rebels can still be seen zooming through the sand-enveloped paths aboard pickup trucks bearing the NMLA flag.
The French president called key ministers for a Sunday meeting in a first step to find out how and why the journalists were killed.
Hollande and Malian President Ibrahim Boubacar Keita agreed in a phone call "to follow without let-up the fight against terrorist groups that remain present in northern Mali," according to a statement from Hollande's office.
Since 2003, northern Mali also has acted as a rear base for al Qaeda's North African branch, which has used the country's vast deserts north of Kidal to train fighters, amass arms and prepare for war. They have bankrolled their operations by kidnapping Westerners, especially French nationals.
According to global intelligence unit Stratfor, al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb has carried out at least 18 successful kidnappings of foreigners in the past decade, netting at least $89 million in ransom payments.
Just last week, four Frenchmen kidnapped three years ago in neighboring Niger were released by the terrorist group in the deserts of northern Mali, allegedly for ransom of more than 10 million euros ($13.5 million), according to Pascal Lupart, the head of an association representing the friends and families of hostages held by the group.
Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb embedded itself in northern Mali in part by forging alliances with the Tuareg people, who have agitated for independence for the past half-century. Several of al Qaeda's local commanders are believed to be Malian-born Tuaregs, with ties to both Kidal and the local separatist movement, the NMLA.


French army had no contact with Mali kidnappers- spokesman

2:10am IST
PARIS, Nov 2 (Reuters) - France's army never had any visual or physical contact with the gunmen who killed two French journalists in northern Mali on Saturday, an army official said.
Armed Forces spokesman Colonel Gilles Jarron said the bodies of the two reporters had been found by a French patrol some 10 kms (6 miles) to the east of Kidal after they were tipped off by a local resident that the journalists had been taken.
Two French helicopters arrived on the scene 50 minutes after the patrol found their bodies, he said. Earlier, several French media reports said a French helicopter had tracked the kidnappers's vehicles after the abduction.

Le منشار

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من جيش النيجر بين قتيل وجريح اثر استهداف إرهابى الدولة للقاعدة العسكرية الأكبر في ديفا بصواريخ الغراد
مقتل 13 جنديا فرنسيا بتصادم مروحيتين عسكريتين في مالي
أعلنت الرئاسة الفرنسية اليوم الثلاثاء مصرع 13 جنديا في حادث تحطم مروحيتين عسكريتين في جمهورية مالي، وقالت إنهم "كانوا يشاركون في عملية عسكرية ضد متطرفين في مالي".
الى جهنّم وبئس المصيرّ هم ورسالة التعزية التي أرسلها الحريري

O Brother

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EU says Mali coup crisis could destabilize whole region

Mali coup: Military promises elections after ousting president

What is happening in Mali?

Is France just securing another puppet by replacing the old puppet with new one?

Iron Maiden

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EU says Mali coup crisis could destabilize whole region

Mali coup: Military promises elections after ousting president

What is happening in Mali?

Is France just securing another puppet by replacing the old puppet with new one?
french media reportingbthat the french foreign ministry and defence ministry have been taken completly aback by this putsch and have very serious fears abt a return of djihadist offensives that lead them to deploy barkhane operation 8 years ago following a putsch that made the malian military completely crippled.

for once it appears that france did not have a hand in a putsch in africa and is seriously rethinking its role in the anti terrorism operation going on there


O Brother

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O Brother

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French troops' presence in Sahel raises many eyebrows

Observers question objectives of 'Operation Barkhane' in Mali​

Aurore Bonny | 08.01.2021

LOME, Togo

Rather than protecting the population, the French military is involved in the killing of civilians in Mali in particular and in the Sahel region in general to the dismay of people and observers who are voicing concerns.

Since 2014, French military forces have been deployed in Mali under the cover of an operation called "Barkhane" to fight against armed groups in the Sahel. There are 5,000 French troops in the region.

However, their presence is not welcomed by all Malians, especially after the recent killings of several civilians in air strikes by the Barkhane forces. In this operation, about a hundred civilians were killed. Last September, a civilian in Gao was killed by a French soldier, which was termed "accidental" by the French army.

On Oct. 23, 2017, 11 Malian soldiers detained by a terrorist group lost their lives during an anti-terrorist operation led by the Barkhane forces.

On Jan. 6, 2021, the forces were accused of having arrested and questioned an official of the Coordination of Movements of Azawad (CMA), which brings together the armed movements of northern Mali. The French military also ransacked his family home in Menaka, a northern region of Mali.

In a statement shared with Anadolu Agency, the CMA indicated that its official was arrested during the night of Jan. 3-4, 2021. “The French forces surrounded the home of Mr. Halatassane Ag Rhissa, a notable member of the Municipal Interim Authority of Tidermene,” the note detailed.

According to the CMA, this act is an "umpteenth humiliation targeting personalities respected by all".

The group also called for the release and "moral reparation" of Halatassane while urging the Malian international forces "to show more restraint and discernment so as not to misidentify enemies and objectives".

False intentions

In July 2020, in an article published on the A l'encontre website, author Guillaume Davranche listed five reasons for France to leave the Sahel -- it is waging an endless war there, delaying a political solution, aggravating the situation, reinforcing a criminal system and its intervention is "imperialist".

Since the days of colonization, the French military
aid has always been controversial in Africa. Even if the facts are sometimes denied by France, it has found itself involved in genocides in Africa -- such as the Rwandan genocides and that of the Bamilekes in Cameroon. All this happened under the cover of a military operation, like the one being carried out in the Sahel. The examples being decried are legion.

An analysis published in June in the journal Alternative Libertarian also reported that Barkhane's murderous routine is fueling a desire for revenge. And this desire will progress with increasing "collateral" victims because in December 2019, Barkhane armed its drones with missiles.

The author of the analysis also warned that an anti-colonial fight against the crusaders "could motivate young people to join the terrorist ranks”.

Thus, for him, France "presents itself as a savior" and yet this country "does not save the population and does not reduce violence. It only saves the uranium mines and its status as a suzerain state vis-à-vis vassalized governments".

He added that this military presence in West Africa "sometimes under the iron rule of demonized dictators, removes the possibility of peace negotiations and, overall, prolongs and aggravates a war without an end".

Like him, several observers do not appreciate the presence of such forces in Mali and other Sahelian countries.

Because it "does not contribute to political and economic stability", Justice Simango, a political analyst, told Anadolu Agency.

For Cisse Diop, a security expert, the French army is seeking to protect its own interests under the pretext of helping people.

O Brother

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France mourned their two killed terrorists who died protecting the uranium mines..
hopefully more will be heading back to france like these two colonial terrorists!



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France mourned their two killed terrorists who died protecting the uranium mines..
hopefully more will be heading back to france like these two colonial terrorists!

Lets start by saying wishing death on 22 year olds that had no choice is idiotic and shows who you are. Second, even if i am against the french presence in that region, i would like to point out you missing the whole point and the whole issue there.