Massive Explosion in Beirut | 04-08-2020

LEBANESE-CIA

Legendary Member
If all HA did was import and store the nitrate they wouldn’t be freaking out like this. Sure it would be bad but what they’re doing now is hurting their image much worse. They’re definitely covering up something more sinister. That’s the only way you can explain Nasrallah’s hysteria! Allah yistour
" if " ??
you might lose a case in a court of law due to one word : ) also you are puting your wishful thinking in the way of due process , akid akid akid ma byemshi el 7al.

yes their reaction raises eyebrows and sending wrong image to the lebanese public opinion, the urgency of their reaction and demand for swift solution vis a vis the judge incriminate them (even if they are not "allegedly" guilty).
the only way the judge bitar can checkmate them is by annoucing tomorrow that he did not complete his investigation and he is planing on asking other ministers and army general and all involved across the board, by this he will detonate their exuse of political bias!!
 

Danny Z

Legendary Member
They claim they want the investigation to take place they appoint a judge themselves, he investigates and asks them to come and testify they refuse to cooperate, he sends an arrest warrant because they didn’t show up they start saying he has no right to arrest them, yeklou khara, they want investigation or not. If they want the truth out sayye2 nasralla would put his weight behind getting the investigation wrapped up, not behind derailing it twice. Bitar is not Mehlis and Bitar was appointed by them amongst other Lebanese parties because he is known not to be affiliated with anybody and in honest. Yet el 3arsat want to remove him just like they removed his predecessor because they don’t want an investigation.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
Bitar would be doing check mate, if the he ( judge) tomorrow asks all the involved for interrogations including those who did not name, since the nitrate landed in the port untill the exploison. by that he would undercut the duo retaliation : ) but even if he does that, they (duo) will use exuse that the judge has no power over MP's or ministers etc..

Well, he was asked to be fair from day one

Why did he allow the circumstance to achieve to this point?

A true question mark about his selective investigations

Enno Hassan Diab of under a year of PM but not Hariri who was the PM for 4 years?

Give me a break
 

LEBANESE-CIA

Legendary Member
hahah hassouna ali khalil and his baltaji berri double standard lol

يوم إعترف علي حسن خليل بصلاحية طارق البيطار لملاحقته!


مارون ناصيف

منذ أن إدعى المحقق العدلي السابق في جريمة إنفجار المرفأ القاضي فادي صوان على الوزراء السابقين علي حسن خليل وغازي زعيتر ويوسف فنيانوس، يصرّ هؤلاء مجتمعين متكافلين متضامنين على عدم صلاحية المحقق العدلي بملاحقتهم، وعلى أن مجلس النواب وتحديداً المجلس الأعلى لمحاكمة الرؤساء والوزراء، ودائماً بحسب الدستور، هو الذي يحاكم الوزراء والنواب والرؤساء لا القضاء العدلي ولا القضاء الجزائي ولا أي قاض آخر. وإنطلاقاً من هذا المبدأ لم يمثل الوزراء السابقون ولو لمرة واحدة كمدعى عليهم أمام صوان بل حضر بعضهم الى مكتبه كشهود فقط، ومن هذا المبدأ أيضاً عقدوا الكثير من المؤتمرات الصحافية القانونية والدستورية للتأكيد على عدم إعترافهم بصلاحية المحقق العدلي بملاحقتهم، وعلى أن صوان يخالف القوانين والدستور ويتخطى ما هو مسموح له وما هو غير مسموح.
وكما مع القاضي صوان، كذلك مع القاضي طارق البيطار الذي وسع مروحة إدعاءاته الوزارية بضمّه وزير الداخلية السابق نهاد المشنوق الى لائحة الوزراء المدعى عليهم. مع صوان إكتفى زعيتر وحسن خليل بتقديم دعوى واحدة الى محكمة التمييز الجزائية لنقل الشكوى منه الى قاض آخر للإرتياب المشروع، لأن محكمة التمييز برئاسة القاضي جمال الحجار، قبلت الشكوى وطيّرته. أما مع البيطار، فيبدو أن سياسة زعيتر والمشنوق وحسن خليل تقوم على إغراق العدلية بدعاوى الرد والإرتياب المشروع لكفّ يد القاضي البيطار، ولكن حتى اليوم لم يصلوا بعد الى النتيجة التي يريدونها ألا وهي تطيير طارق البيطار وسحب ملف تحقيقات المرفأ منه. أما التطور اللافت والذي فاجأ المحامين الحاضرين للجلسات في مكتب المحقق العدلي، فهو ما قام به بالأمس وكيل الدفاع عن الوزير السابق علي حسن خليل المحامي محمد المغربي. المغربي حضر جلسة الإستجواب أمام المحقق العدلي، تقدم بمجموعة من الطلبات رُفضت بالكامل من قبل البيطار، وفي نهاية مداخلته كانت المفاجأة الصادمة. مفاجأة طلب الإستمهال وتأجيل الجلسة لتقديم دفوع شكليّة عن موكله، وهنا بيت القصيد، لماذا؟ لأن الإستمهال وتقديم الدفوع أمام أي قاضٍ يعني أن المدّعى عليه يعترف بصلاحية هذا القاضي الذي يلاحقه، وأصبح كل ما سبق من كلام غير ذلك عن عدم الصلاحية في غير محله، وهنا يطرح السؤال، ماذا لو قبل البيطار بالأمس طلب المغربي وأجّل الجلسة إفساحاً له في المجال أمام تقديم دفوع شكلية علماً أن أمراً كهذا يخالف المادة 74 من قانون أصول المحاكمات الجزائية، فهل كان حسن خليل سيُطلّ مجدداً عبر وسائل الإعلام ليقول إن البيطار ليس صاحب الصلاحية بملاحقته؟.
قد يكون وكيل الوزير السابق عن حركة أمل قد طلب الإستمهال لتأجيل الجلسة ليس بهدف تقديم الدفوع بل للتأجيل فقط ولرهانه على دعوى الردّ الجديدة المقدّمة من قبل موكّله بحق البيطار أمام محكمة التمييز والتي تبلغها البيطار فور إنتهاء جلسة الأمس معلناً تعليق التحقيقات، وذلك بعد إصداره مذكرة توقيف غيابية بحق حسن خليل، ولكن حتى لو كانت هذه حجة المغربي الحقيقية، أي التأجيل للتأجيل، فبمجرد أن طلب الإستمهال لتقديم الدفوع يعني أنه إعترف بصلاحية القاضي، وأسقط دفعة واحدة كل ما سبق أن قاله حسن خليل ورفاقه من الوزراء السابقين عن عدم صلاحية المحقق العدلي بملاحقتهم.


 

LEBANESE-CIA

Legendary Member
Well, he was asked to be fair from day one

Why did he allow the circumstance to achieve to this point?

A true question mark about his selective investigations

Enno Hassan Diab of under a year of PM but not Hariri who was the PM for 4 years?

Give me a break
Even if he does that now or before, they will still find exuses not to go in front of the judge, the way they are reacting is sending the wrong vibes to the victims and public opinion.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
Even if he does that now or before, they will still find exuses not to go in front of the judge, the way they are reacting is sending the wrong vibes to the victims and public opinion.

The judge have to be fair with all

Either all PMs, MoFs or MoTransportations to be questioned to investigation

Or go home

Mesh Diab but not Hariri to investigate


Even if HA is wholely responsible for everthing; doesn't Hariri have Responsiblity of neglecting it under his Premiership?

How come he is not questioned?
 
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LEBANESE-CIA

Legendary Member
The judge have to be fair with all

Either all PMs, MoFs or MoTransportations to be questioned to investigation

Or go home

Mesh Diab but not Hariri to investigate


Even if HA is wholely responsible for everthing; doesn't Hariri have Responsiblity of neglecting it under his Premiership?

How come he is not questioned?
maybe the judge has some input/evidence none of us know, yet the investigation is still ongoing. as i said earlier he can check mate them by questioning all involved since the nitrate landed at the port untill explosion.
 
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JB81

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maybe the judge has some input/evidence none of us know, yet the investigation is still ongoing. as i said earlier he can check mate them by questioning all invilved since nitrate landed at the port untill explosion.

How about kana ya3lam, because the judge is going this way as administrative incompetence , did Hariri knew about them?

How come he was not called for investigation till now to see if he knew or not?
 

LEBANESE-CIA

Legendary Member
How about kana ya3lam, because the judge is going this way as administrative incompetence , did Hariri knew about them?

How come he was not called for investigation till now to see if he knew or not?
no one knows exactky what the judge has or has not. all speculation from outsiders and assumptions.

the list is long, from 2 presidents and down, this way he turns their accusations of political bias VOID.
this is what he should do next to rectify things.
 

Bandar

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Orange Room Supporter
Well, he was asked to be fair from day one
Why did he allow the circumstance to achieve to this point?

A true question mark about his selective investigations

Enno Hassan Diab of under a year of PM but not Hariri who was the PM for 4 years?

Give me a break
Didn’t the sleeping sal3a already admit that he knew about the explosives? Whatever happened with that story? Is he physically able and mentally capable to attend court?
 

Bandar

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Orange Room Supporter
How about kana ya3lam, because the judge is going this way as administrative incompetence , did Hariri knew about them?

How come he was not called for investigation till now to see if he knew or not?
Imagine being this obsessed with an overgrown kid that everyone agrees is the weakest leader in lebanon (is he even still a leader? Surely FM will oust the guy before elections…)
 

LEBANESE-CIA

Legendary Member
Didn’t the sleeping sal3a already admit that he knew about the explosives? Whatever happened with that story? Is he physically able and mentally capable to attend court?
hahaha , you are funny you cant process 2 things at the same time eh? : )
the president offered to the judge for any question or inquiries, so the onus is on the judge.
about if he is physically or mentally capable : the answer is: ma btetla3 add li ta7et zenaro heik bi elak el president lol
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Bandar

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hahaha , you are funny you cant process 2 things at the same time eh? : )
the president offered to the judge for any question or inquiries, so the onus is on the judge.
about if he is physically or mentally capable : the answer is: ma btetla3 add li ta7et zenaro heik bi elak el president lol
I don’t think so, it is obvious he is mentally compromised. I actually don’t blame him. He probably can’t remember his kids name much less the contents of a warehouse at the port
 
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