May Khreish in trouble for recommending a book?

TayyarBeino

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اول كلمة نزلت في القرآن هي إقرأ والاسلام لا يمنع قراءة كل الكتب اكيد مي مش قاصدة تسيئ للاسلام،لأنو بتعرف منيح، انو التيار فيه ايضا مسلمين. وانا اكيد قاصدة تقول انو اقرأوا كتب المسيحيين،كما اننا نقرأ كتب للاسلام وهذا من باب التوعية، ونحنا شعب واحد محتوى الكتاب.. للمشايخ التفسير
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في إخبار مقدّم ضد المحامية مي خريش لأن عم تقرا كتاب ما بيعجبو للمفتي وشاركتو مع العالم ع تويتر
:lol: :lol:

#لست_أمزح بدنا أكتر من كورونا الصراحة!
 
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  • The_FPMer

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    مفروض نسحب كاميرات دخول السينما وسجل نتفليكس ونشوف كل سياسي مسلم تجرأ يشاهد فيلم دافينشي كود ونعمل حمله عليه انه اهان المقدسات والقيم المسيحية

    لك هبل وحقد وجنون وتكفير اكتر من هيك!!! صارت المشكلة بمن قرأ وليس بمن كتب !! في حدود لتفاهة تيار المستقبل وبعض الموتورين #مي_خريش
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    الحملة التي تتعرض لها مي خريش بسبب قرائتها لكاتبة تونسية عن سيرة النبي هي حملة تكفيرية وحجة البعض لتكفير مي ان القضية ليست بالكتاب بل في انتمائها لحزب مسيحي يميني ! يتم اهدار دمها حاليا وكاننا اهل ذمة ! يحدد لنا ما نقرأه وما هو المسموح لنا وما هو المحظر
    There's a big difference between what someone does in his private life and writing a public tweet.
     
    Omeros

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    بغض النظر عن مضمون الكتاب. هذا كتاب مش المشكلة في labeling ع
    نصرية يعني مش بحرية التعبير ما يقلبوها دراما للتعمية عن شئ اخر. ي
     
    Lebmonage

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    Already found something that may be why this book is thought of as "problematic"

    Arrivé entre-temps à Médine, Abû Bakr s’engouffre rapidement dans la chambre funèbre ; il pose un baiser sur le front du Prophète et ressort aussitôt. Il essaye de calmer la fureur de ‘Umar et, imperturbable, s’adresse à la foule : « Écoutez-moi ! Que ceux qui adorent Muhammad sachent que
    Muhammad est mort. Que ceux qui adorent Dieu sachent que Dieu est éternel et ne meurt jamais. »
    Il poursuit : « Dieu nous dit dans le Coran : Muhammad n’est qu’un prophète. Des prophètes ont vécu avant lui. Retourneriez-vous sur vos pas s’il mourait ou s’il était tué ? (3:144)

    Curieusement, ce verset du Coran, personne, pas même ‘Umar, ne se souvient de l’avoir entendu auparavant ! Sur ces paroles d’Abû Bakr, tout le monde se tait et la foule se disperse ; chacun s’enferme chez lui dans l’angoisse de ce qui va arriver. Un silence de plomb tombe sur Médine ; on n’entend plus que des aboiements continus qui se traînent au loin…




    This passage seems to indicate that this verse was added to the Qur'an while Muhammed was dying, since no one had heard it before.. we'll see what happens 👀
    Verse 3:144 was revealed at the time of the Battle of Uhud. It was a well known verse. It has to do with Umar, the second Sunni caliph fleeing the battlefield upon the news that Muhammad (s) had been killed. It turned out it was his uncle Hamza (as), who was martyred.

    My take on this book's controversy:

    I believe FPMers are either too ignorant or treading the wrong path deliberately and have an agenda to upset the sectarian balance of the country. For the last one week, I have stopped posting on this forum because one small puppy, who's roaming the forum was raining insults on the Prophet (s), like many of his type with a pro Zionist agenda have on the forum. I reported the post repeatedly and nothing was done. If my beliefs are insulted online or offline, then it means I am not respected and my presence is not appreciated and therefore I have to leave and disassociate myself from such people. The Quran specifically asks us to leave any gathering where our faith is insulted. The mods only reacted and decided to ban me for three days (and the ban was later shortened to a day) after I reacted and took the rules into my hands appropriately. Simply put, this forum is no longer of respected people and sane minds who contribute thought provoking ideas and posts. To conclude my first point, a representative of a political party shouldn't have advertised such a controversial book. Likewise, a Lebanese forum should respect the beliefs of all Lebanese and not tolerate disrespect under the mischievous guise of "freedom of speech", which is even one sided.

    Touching on the content of the book, I am tempted to believe the author is a Shia convert from Sunni Islam.

    The ideas she is touching in are not new in the Shia - Sunni discuss.

    For example:

    1. Umar insulting the Prophet on his deathbed and preventing him from writing a will. This is known as Black Thursday. Umar stated the "Quran was enough" and there was no need for the Prophet to write a will. He knew the Prophet was going to document his numerous declarations involving his appointment of Imam Ali (as) as successor. Also, Abu Bakr and Umar deserted the army of Usama Ibn Zayd and disobeying the Prophet's order enlisting them in the army and asking them not to return. The Prophet even said cursed is the one who deserts the army of Usamah. They returned to Medina because they knew the Prophet was living his last day and they intended to grab power at the infamous Saqifah Banu Saeedah. Further, they were busy fighting for power at Saqifah Banu Saedah while the Prophet wasnt buried yet. None of the Prophet's close relatives or the Banu hashim were present at Saqifah. This started the Shia - Sunni split. Karbala was only a manifestation of what happened at Saqifah. Thr coup d'etat Saqifah was the first tragedy in Islam.

    2. The Prophet had instructed not to be given a substance or medicine. When the Prophet was unconscious in his deathbed, Aisha and Umar gave him that substance. This is the reason a group of Shia know as the Shirazis believe the Prophet was poisoned on his deathbed. If you watch the lectures of Sheikh Yasser Al-Habib, you will find his lecture on this on YouTube. For those who don't know him, Sheikh Yasser is a Shia Muslim cleric from Kuwait who's in exile in London. He is a follower of Ayatollah Sadiq al shirazi. The Shirazi followers are very aggressive Shia preachers who touch on very sensitive topics offensive to Sunnis. They oppose the taqiyyah method practiced by the vast majority of Shia for the sake of muslim unity and Islamic peace.

    3. The treaty of Hudaybiyyah and Umar's rebellious stances. He was disobedient to the Prophet and he was reprimanded. Also, some of the companions wanted to assassinate the Prophet at Aqabah and Shias believe Umar and Abu Bakr were among those 12 companions based on certain hadiths found even in Sunni hadith compilations.

    So far, these are sensitive issues that we as Shia don't find insulting to the Prophet and his person or holiness. They are insulting to revered Sunni figures, like Umar and Abu Bakr (the Sunni caliphs), who are very much disliked by the Shia for their disobedience to the Prophet. Sunnis on the other hand acquit their caliphs of wrongdoing.

    I haven't read the book of Hela Ouardi. I would like to have a soft copy to read it and know what is insulting to the Prophet, if at all or if anything. Going by the interview of Hela Ouardi on France24, she is not an apostate. She still believes in the Prophet apparently. She didn't mention any disbelief. If her book touched on these historical facts, then these are not offensive facts. The lectures of Sheikh Yasser al-Habib are by far more offensive to Sunnis and their revered caliphs and companions than the book of Hela. I don't even consider the book of Hela worth calling a book of history. It is a compilation rather. These are facts you come across if you are familiar with the Shia - Sunni narratives. They are common knowledge. Hela hasn't reinvented the wheel.

    Like I stated, I don't know if her motives was to insult the Prophet or there is more in her book that insulted the Prophet. I can't say until I read the entire book. But going by her interview, she's not a disbeliever. Also, even if she's not a disbeliever, I can't say if she projected these historical facts to appeal to a western audience hy discrediting the Prophet. We Shia hold on to these historical facts like holy scripture and we don't discredit the Prophet at all. In fact, these facts reveal the many people who acted as Muhammad's (s) Judas. These facts also support the Shia belief that not all of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (s) were angelic or honorable and why we must only look up to the Ahlel-Bayt ?as) and the 12 Holy Imams and the free companions of the Prophet (s) who remained loyal to the Prophet after his demise and showed that loyalty through their commitment to the Ahlel-Bayt (as).

    Until I read the book entirely, I can't draw a conclusion that the book is offensive to the Prophet. But certainly, it would be as much offensive to Sunnis as the lectures of Sheikh Yasser al-Habib, since these facts paint some companions of the Prophet revered by Sunnis as treacherous.
     
    ܐܵܠܘܼܟ̰ܵܐ

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    She should have recommended something the Sheikh approves of. Like...

    جدول أسعار الشقراوات اليزيدية عند شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية
    رؤية الكس في الأحلام عند سلطان العلماء العز بن عبد السلام
    طرق قتل اللوطي عند شيخ الإسلام جلال الدين السيوطي
    كيف تفاخذ الطفل الصغير عند الشيخ الإسلام ابن كثير
    هل حلال لعق السائل المنوي عند الشيخ يحيى بن شرف النووي‎
     
    SeaAb

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    She should have recommended something the Sheikh approves of. Like...

    جدول أسعار الشقراوات اليزيدية عند شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية
    رؤية الكس في الأحلام عند سلطان العلماء العز بن عبد السلام
    طرق قتل اللوطي عند شيخ الإسلام جلال الدين السيوطي
    كيف تفاخذ الطفل الصغير عند الشيخ الإسلام ابن كثير
    هل حلال لعق السائل المنوي عند الشيخ يحيى بن شرف النووي‎
    @Isabella read those as well and report back to us please.
     
    Big Brother

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    First, May Khreich is a PR idiot, in line with the PR ineptness of most FPM
    Second, the Quran is very offensive to Christians. And the Christian New Testament is offensive to Jews. Should we ban those books too?
    Yes please.
    Only the Jewish Holy Books hold the Truth and nothing but the Truth. All others are fake imitations.
     
    Orangina

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    The religious of Islam must stop putting their noses everywhere and especially in the academic world


    This story reminds us of what happened to the famous Egyptian novelist taha hussein in 1931.
    He unleashed the ire of the ulama of el azhar because he dared to express doubts in one of his books, on the sincerity of pre-islamic arabic poetry. He did not hesitate to state that this poetry had been falsified because of tribal rivalries.And he even insinuated, and this is more serious, that the Quran cannot constitute a reliable source for the historians.

    Taha Hussein lost his post at the University of Cairo in 1931 and his book was banned and published a year later with modifications.
     
    SeaAb

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    The religious of Islam must stop putting their noses everywhere and especially in the academic world


    This story reminds us of what happened to the famous Egyptian novelist taha hussein in 1931.
    He unleashed the ire of the ulama of el azhar because he dared to express doubts in one of his books, on the sincerity of pre-islamic arabic poetry. He did not hesitate to state that this poetry had been falsified because of tribal rivalries.And he even insinuated, and this is more serious, that the Quran cannot constitute a reliable source for the historians.

    Taha Hussein lost his post at the University of Cairo in 1931 and his book was banned and published a year later with modifications.
    -3 3aysh mushtarak points for you...
     
    Picasso

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    Whats goes around, comes around.
    This person is a disastrous populist. So, as it seems, she attacks Jbeil committee and threatens with blood on the street to please and get elevated in the court! In the same line, she presents herself as a critical mind - towards Islam - to falsely present herself as the "secular" in the Right Christian Party! This is what you get in a party whose main non-written principle is Sectarianism with Secularism as cover!

    A living example here would be the Christian fanatics on the forum. Claiming to be secular, yet they are incensing Christianity and evilly and grudgingly portraying Islam! Sectarian one-eyed wretches to say the least!

    That aside, recommending a book or writing one must never be a reason for indictment!
     
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    dyyyy

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    The religious of Islam must stop putting their noses everywhere and especially in the academic world


    This story reminds us of what happened to the famous Egyptian novelist taha hussein in 1931.
    He unleashed the ire of the ulama of el azhar because he dared to express doubts in one of his books, on the sincerity of pre-islamic arabic poetry. He did not hesitate to state that this poetry had been falsified because of tribal rivalries.And he even insinuated, and this is more serious, that the Quran cannot constitute a reliable source for the historians.

    Taha Hussein lost his post at the University of Cairo in 1931 and his book was banned and published a year later with modifications.

    -3 3aysh mushtarak points for you...
    I'll make it up.

    The story reminds me of what happened to an average guy Charbel Khoury in 2019.

    Charbel Khoury dared to express doubt in what someone tweeted about a miracle from Saint Charbel.

    Charbel Khoury lost his job, got arrested, was threatened to death and his parents address were published publicly.

    He had to sign a paper to not interact on social media.
     
    Isabella

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    Whats goes around, comes around.
    To be fair, I don't think the book contains anything offensive so far since, as explained to me by RC, the passage I quoted is backed up by Shiite scripture and the author references all her claims through accredited Islamic sources, meaning if people find her book offensive they need to also take offense to the material she uses. However May Khreich definitely deserves the backlash she's getting in my opinion for making such a statement.
     
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    To be fair, I don't think the book contains anything offensive so far since, as explained to me by RC, the passage I quoted is backed up by Shiite scripture and the author references all her claims through accredited Islamic sources, meaning if people find her book offensive they need to also take offense to the material she uses.
    It is offensive apparently to Sunnis.
    But certainly, it would be as much offensive to Sunnis as the lectures of Sheikh Yasser al-Habib, since these facts paint some companions of the Prophet revered by Sunnis as treacherous.
     
    Isabella

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    It is offensive apparently to Sunnis.
    It shouldn't be. She references all her claims like a freaking Wikipedia page and there's like 3 pages containing a list of Islamic materials she used. Meaning the author is not inventing anything new but her style in writing is captivating and I will continue reading maybe I'll stumble on something that makes the controversy worthwhile
     
    dyyyy

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    To be fair, I don't think the book contains anything offensive so far since as explained to me by RC the passage I quoted is backed up by Shiite scripture and the author references all her claims through accredited Islamic sources, meaning if people find her book offensive they need to also take offense to the material she uses. However May Khreich definitely deserves the backlash she's getting in my opinion for making such a statement.
    Yes you're completely right,this time she's unfairly being attacked and these attacks are becoming scary.

    The problem is we're not just offended if there are insults against religion, we're also offended if anyone doubts religion or try to show another perspective and this is pure extremism.
     
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