Lebanese dialect is originally Hebrew and not Syriac.
Metwalis language was Hebrew at the dawn of Islam.
Only Maronites spoke Syriac
Lebanese dialect is originally Hebrew and not Syriac.
Lebanese dialect is originally Hebrew and not Syriac.
Metwalis language was Hebrew at the dawn of Islam.
Only Maronites spoke Syriac
There's nothing such as the Metwali sect.
It's just one of the many nicknames that was given to Lebanese Shiites.
يلقَّبون في لبنان بـ ( المُتَاوِلَة ) ، وهو جمع : متوالي ، إسم فاعل من : تَوالَى ، مأخوذ من : الوِلاء والمُوَالاة ، وهي : حُبُّ أهل البيت ( عليهم السلام ) واتباع طريقتهم
Lebanese dialect is originally Hebrew and not Syriac.
Metwalis language was Hebrew at the dawn of Islam.
Only Maronites spoke Syriac
Southern Lebanon was historically Jewish land also known as Northern Galilee. But indeed, Metwalis speaking Hebrew doesn't make sense, considering even at the time of Jesus the language was already dead, being used only liturgically among Rabbis. Western Aramaic was the common language of the Levant with pockets of Greek speaking communities on the coast until the Arab invasion.
Indeed the Samaritans of the Gallillee as well as the Jews of Kufa spoke Hebrew at the dawn of Islam. It is not about what makes sense. It is about what is documented in the histeriography of the time. Aramaic and Hebrew speaking loyalists to the Mohamed and also to the Shi'a Arab were called Muwali/Metwali because they did not speak Arabic. They were not Arab. This is a historical fact.
You can read about this in the history of Tabari 860 AD. I am sure he wrote what existed in his time. You can also read this in Al Jahez, he himself was a Metwali.
Muwalis/Metwali are the group that translated all ancient philosophy into Arabic during the Abbaside Dynasty. They were also called the Mu'tazelah, which is a philosophical understanding of faith, which is inclusive of the Torah and the Quran. They were also called al mou'menoun.
What Amal Movement started in Lebanon it was not called Islamic resistence. المقاومة الأسلامية. It was called المقاومة المؤمنة. This is because until that time Metwalies did not identify with Islam as the law of the Sultan and rejected the Hadith and the law of the Ottoman Sultan as well as the Seljuk Sultan. Mewtali were not recognized as Muslim by the Ottoman Empire. They were percieved as heretical.
Only after the disappearance of Musa al-Sader, the assassination of the Metwali intellectuals like Mahdi Amel and others, who were communists that the concept of "Islamic" resistence emerged as a concept of identity.
You need to have your head checked.
So Imam Musa al Sadr was a metwali Jew? Lol
مؤمن does not mean they were Jews. It means they believed Mohamed is a prophet from God and they followed the Quran as well.You need to have your head checked.
So Imam Musa al Sadr was a metwali Jew? Lol
مؤمن does not mean they were Jews. It means they believed Mohamed is a prophet from God and they followed the Quran as well.
According to historians, Maronites were pagan locals who converted to Christianity when a disciple of St. Maron reached Lebanon.
Why would Metwalis speak Hebrew and Maronites Syriac if both were native to this land?
مؤمن does not mean they were Jews. It means they believed Mohamed is a prophet from God and they followed the Quran as well.
Yes,So modern Lebanese Shiites can trace their roots to either the Metwalis or Shia Arabs?
All this thread deserves. Delusional lebs.
I wonder how I can communicate with a Yemeni and a Moroccan back to back with almost no training in either dialects.
Yes,
The Shi'a Arabs are the Musta'raba from Medina as well as Musta'raba from the Levant. The Musta'rab from the Levant are also the Amelah. The Metwali were native to Lebanon. They were approached to the alliance with Mohamed by Abou Dar al Ghafari a Musta'rab and a companion of the Prophet as the narrative goes.
What's your point really? Mumin means "believer". My point is: were they (Shia) Muslims or not? A believer could be referring to anyone from any religion. You seem to be trying very hard to divorce the metwalis from Shia Islam. That is historically inaccurate. And I dont care if it is not written history. When you have millions of us still around and we are telling you what was passed down to us, I dont need any written document to prove to me what I am. Just like having a Lebanese passport or ID doesn't make me more or less a Lebanese. Calling me Chinese or even acquiring another citizenship won't stop me from being Lebanese. A Lebanese will always be Lebanese. Stop sounding silly and making a mockery out of yourself, please. Its for your sake and the image your imposing on others to see you with.
You sound like a witch or an oracle claiming knowledge of the unseen. From trying hard to divorce their Shia Metwalis of South Lebanon from Islam and giving them a Jewish and Hebrew mask, you're now bringing Abu Dharr al-Ghifari into this and retracting. You're just an educated clown. And unfortunately many Lebanese women who get some education misbehave like you do. Reinventing the wheel and forming class and understanding where there is thin air.
Metwalis are Shia. You say no. That they are Hebrew and Jewish. Without telling us that some of them were or could have been Jews who became Shia.
أقرأ was the first verse told to Mohamed in the Quran. But السفهاء will always speak with their own manners.And I cannot really believe that we are actually spending time discussing the trash claim. Only to arrive at the point that Amelites called matwalis are actually Shia and and presently an Arabic speaking people in Lebanon. I was imagining there are some Metwalis in southern Lebanon villages who are actually Jews and Hebrew hiding in the tunnels Hezballah dug. I can't believe you're retracting and telling us they are Arab and Shi'a. When you're were so bent on divorcing them from Shia Islam and insisting on their Jewishness. If its simply about the historical fact or possibility that some southern Shia Lebanese metwalis descended from Jews, we know this. You are not telling us anything new or that we didn't know about. So why the twist?
Shi'a is a political and not a religious disigntation. It was given to those who allied with al Hussein against the Ummayad Dynasty. They were Southern Arabian Yemenites.
Everyone in here believed in Mohamed being a Prophet, whether they were of Arab or non Arab origin.
Shi'a as a religious identity is very modern and cannot be separated from Orientalism and imperialism.
Yes I am separating Metwali from SHi'a Islam because Shi'a Islam is a modern concept of religious identity which is a confessional and sectarian identity. In its own historical context, Shi'a was a political opposition to the Ummayad Dynasty, it was not a confession or a religious sect.
مؤمن does not mean believer. It means a person who has faith. Ali was أمير المؤمنيين and not أمير المسلميين and during the riegn of Ali there was no such a thing as Shi'a and Sunni. This you can read everywhere.
Thanks for the comment but you need to work on your manners and also on the way you respond to posts.
The Muwalis are non Arab converts is not what I am saying. Now you can choose to read outside your theological teachings of the mosque you grew up in, and you can choose to stick in the box you live in. But name calling does not make you right at all. It just makes you a disrespectful person.
I have to go now.