Migrant caravan approaching the southern US borders

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on the other hand, subscribing and applying islamic values in any country around the world is in and by itself enough to destroy that country and decimate its chances of success.
its an automatic guaranteed ticket to hell
 
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    Are liberals really that dumb or do they take perverse pleasure in self-destruction?

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    HannaTheCrusader

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    Are liberals really that dumb or do they take perverse pleasure in self-destruction?

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    no they arent dumb

    they are seeing voters for them

    the way muslims sees palestos, syrians,egypt, as voters for them

    its all about taking power even if it means destroying the same fabric of a society
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    “Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said the migrant caravan headed for the U.S. southern border will not cross over into the United States, on ‘Fox News Sunday,’” Nick Givas writes in The Daily Caller. “There is a legal way to enter this country. Those who choose to enter illegally will be stopped,” Secretary Nielsen said.
     
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    Presidential Proclamation Addressing Mass Migration Through the Southern Border of the United States
    IMMIGRATION

    Issued on: November 9, 2018
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    The United States expects the arrival at the border between the United States and Mexico (southern border) of a substantial number of aliens primarily from Central America who appear to have no lawful basis for admission into our country. They are traveling in large, organized groups through Mexico and reportedly intend to enter the United States unlawfully or without proper documentation and to seek asylum, despite the fact that, based on past experience, a significant majority will not be eligible for or be granted that benefit. Many entered Mexico unlawfully — some with violence — and have rejected opportunities to apply for asylum and benefits in Mexico. The arrival of large numbers of aliens will contribute to the overloading of our immigration and asylum system and to the release of thousands of aliens into the interior of the United States. The continuing and threatened mass migration of aliens with no basis for admission into the United States through our southern border has precipitated a crisis and undermines the integrity of our borders. I therefore must take immediate action to protect the national interest, and to maintain the effectiveness of the asylum system for legitimate asylum seekers who demonstrate that they have fled persecution and warrant the many special benefits associated with asylum.
    In recent weeks, an average of approximately 2,000 inadmissible aliens have entered each day at our southern border. In Fiscal Year 2018 overall, 124,511 aliens were found inadmissible at ports of entry on the southern border, while 396,579 aliens were apprehended entering the United States unlawfully between such ports of entry. The great number of aliens who cross unlawfully into the United States through the southern border consumes tremendous resources as the Government seeks to surveil, apprehend, screen, process, and detain them.
    Aliens who enter the United States unlawfully or without proper documentation and are subject to expedited removal may avoid being promptly removed by demonstrating, during an initial screening process, a credible fear of persecution or torture. Approximately 2 decades ago, most aliens deemed inadmissible at a port of entry or apprehended after unlawfully entering the United States through the southern border were single adults who were promptly returned to Mexico, and very few asserted a fear of return. Since then, however, there has been a massive increase in fear-of-persecution or torture claims by aliens who enter the United States through the southern border. The vast majority of such aliens are found to satisfy the credible-fear threshold, although only a fraction of the claimants whose claims are adjudicated ultimately qualify for asylum or other protection. Aliens found to have a credible fear are often released into the interior of the United States, as a result of a lack of detention space and a variety of other legal and practical difficulties, pending adjudication of their claims in a full removal proceeding in immigration court. The immigration adjudication process often takes years to complete because of the growing volume of claims and because of the need to expedite proceedings for detained aliens. During that time, many released aliens fail to appear for hearings, do not comply with subsequent orders of removal, or are difficult to locate and remove.
    Members of family units pose particular challenges. The Federal Government lacks sufficient facilities to house families together. Virtually all members of family units who enter the United States through the southern border, unlawfully or without proper documentation, and that are found to have a credible fear of persecution, are thus released into the United States. Against this backdrop of near-assurance of release, the number of such aliens traveling as family units who enter through the southern border and claim a credible fear of persecution has greatly increased. And large numbers of family units decide to make the dangerous and unlawful border crossing with their children.
    The United States has a long and proud history of offering protection to aliens who are fleeing persecution and torture and who qualify under the standards articulated in our immigration laws, including through our asylum system and the Refugee Admissions Program. But our system is being overwhelmed by migration through our southern border. Crossing the border to avoid detection and then, if apprehended, claiming a fear of persecution is in too many instances an avenue to near-automatic release into the interior of the United States. Once released, such aliens are very difficult to remove. An additional influx of large groups of aliens arriving at once through the southern border would add tremendous strain to an already taxed system, especially if they avoid orderly processing by unlawfully crossing the southern border.
    The entry of large numbers of aliens into the United States unlawfully between ports of entry on the southern border is contrary to the national interest, and our law has long recognized that aliens who seek to lawfully enter the United States must do so at ports of entry. Unlawful entry puts lives of both law enforcement and aliens at risk. By contrast, entry at ports of entry at the southern border allows for orderly processing, which enables the efficient deployment of law enforcement resources across our vast southern border.
    Failing to take immediate action to stem the mass migration the United States is currently experiencing and anticipating would only encourage additional mass unlawful migration and further overwhelming of the system.
    Other presidents have taken strong action to prevent mass migration. In Proclamation 4865 of September 29, 1981 (High Seas Interdiction of Illegal Aliens), in response to an influx of Haitian nationals traveling to the United States by sea, President Reagan suspended the entry of undocumented aliens from the high seas and ordered the Coast Guard to intercept such aliens before they reached United States shores and to return them to their point of origin. In Executive Order 12807 of May 24, 1992 (Interdiction of Illegal Aliens), in response to a dramatic increase in the unlawful mass migration of Haitian nationals to the United States, President Bush ordered additional measures to interdict such Haitian nationals and return them to their home country. The Supreme Court upheld the legality of those measures in Sale v. Haitian Centers Council, Inc., 509 U.S. 155 (1993).
    I am similarly acting to suspend, for a limited period, the entry of certain aliens in order to address the problem of large numbers of aliens traveling through Mexico to enter our country unlawfully or without proper documentation. I am tailoring the suspension to channel these aliens to ports of entry, so that, if they enter the United States, they do so in an orderly and controlled manner instead of unlawfully. Under this suspension, aliens entering through the southern border, even those without proper documentation, may, consistent with this proclamation, avail themselves of our asylum system, provided that they properly present themselves for inspection at a port of entry. In anticipation of a large group of aliens arriving in the coming weeks, I am directing the Secretary of Homeland Security to commit additional resources to support our ports of entry at the southern border to assist in processing those aliens — and all others arriving at our ports of entry — as efficiently as possible.
    But aliens who enter the United States unlawfully through the southern border in contravention of this proclamation will be ineligible to be granted asylum under the regulation promulgated by the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security that became effective earlier today. Those aliens may, however, still seek other forms of protection from persecution or torture. In addition, this limited suspension will facilitate ongoing negotiations with Mexico and other countries regarding appropriate cooperative arrangements to prevent unlawful mass migration to the United States through the southern border. Thus, this proclamation is also necessary to manage and conduct the foreign affairs of the United States effectively.
    NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a), respectively) hereby find that, absent the measures set forth in this proclamation, the entry into the United States of persons described in section 1 of this proclamation would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and that their entry should be subject to certain restrictions, limitations, and exceptions. I therefore hereby proclaim the following:
    Section 1. Suspension and Limitation on Entry. The entry of any alien into the United States across the international boundary between the United States and Mexico is hereby suspended and limited, subject to section 2 of this proclamation. That suspension and limitation shall expire 90 days after the date of this proclamation or the date on which an agreement permits the United States to remove aliens to Mexico in compliance with the terms of section 208(a)(2)(A) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1158(a)(2)(A)), whichever is earlier.
    Sec. 2. Scope and Implementation of Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) The suspension and limitation on entry pursuant to section 1 of this proclamation shall apply only to aliens who enter the United States after the date of this proclamation.
    (b) The suspension and limitation on entry pursuant to section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to any alien who enters the United States at a port of entry and properly presents for inspection, or to any lawful permanent resident of the United States.
    (c) Nothing in this proclamation shall limit an alien entering the United States from being considered for withholding of removal under section 241(b)(3) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1231(b)(3)) or protection pursuant to the regulations promulgated under the authority of the implementing legislation regarding the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, or limit the statutory processes afforded to unaccompanied alien children upon entering the United States under section 279 of title 6, United States Code, and section 1232 of title 8, United States Code.
    (d) No later than 90 days after the date of this proclamation, the Secretary of State, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall jointly submit to the President, through the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, a recommendation on whether an extension or renewal of the suspension or limitation on entry in section 1 of this proclamation is in the interests of the United States.
    Sec. 3. Interdiction. The Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall consult with the Government of Mexico regarding appropriate steps — consistent with applicable law and the foreign policy, national security, and public-safety interests of the United States — to address the approach of large groups of aliens traveling through Mexico with the intent of entering the United States unlawfully, including efforts to deter, dissuade, and return such aliens before they physically enter United States territory through the southern border.
    Sec. 4. Severability. It is the policy of the United States to enforce this proclamation to the maximum extent possible to advance the interests of the United States. Accordingly:
    (a) if any provision of this proclamation, or the application of any provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be invalid, the remainder of this proclamation and the application of its other provisions to any other persons or circumstances shall not be affected thereby; and
    (b) if any provision of this proclamation, or the application of any provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be invalid because of the failure to follow certain procedures, the relevant executive branch officials shall implement those procedural requirements to conform with existing law and with any applicable court orders.
    Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
    (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
    (ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
    (b) This proclamation shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
    (c) This proclamation is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
    IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this
    ninth day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand eighteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-third.
    DONALD J. TRUMP
     
    O Brother

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    on the other hand, subscribing and applying islamic values in any country around the world is in and by itself enough to destroy that country and decimate its chances of success.
    Is this based on data and historical facts or on your own hateful feelings for Islam and Muslims?

    I think if you want to compare you have to at least compare in a time when the Muslim nations were strong and ruling themselves.
    Not after WW 1 when the last major Muslim power lost all powers it had and the Muslim world got to one of its weakest point in its history!

    The Muslim world for centuries were known for progress and being well advanced only around or after WW 1 we started witnessing the downfall of the Muslim world due to inner conflicts and betrayals from within.

    Your hate to Islam is making you very biased my friend.

    You want to throw centuries of advancements right in the bin to only shed light on few decades of weakness which the Muslim world is ongoing to this very day.

    Don't let these few decades fool you.. God only knows what awaits us all in the coming times :)
     
    O Brother

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    All these people somehow...magically...decided they're going to the U.S. at the same time, managed to organize themselves into a caravan, and are walking across multiple humongous countries, to settle in a country where they have nothing...no job, no food, no roof over their head...they can endure all that...

    ...but they can't organize a march on their own paliament, in their own country, to demand change or to topple their government?

    And we are to believe that this is not orchestrated?


    This image is sad seeing women and children being forced to leave their own homes...

    But it made me think about back in time when the Europeans invaded the so called Americas how did the natives feel about it all!?

    Karma is a ***** the say?

    Now many of these same future generation of the European settlers are worried of becoming minorities one day and starting to fall into all kind of conspiracy theories against the whiteman were the brown folk will take over :android:
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    This image is sad seeing women and children being forced to leave their own homes...

    But it made me think about back in time when the Europeans invaded the so called Americas how did the natives feel about it all!?

    Karma is a ***** the say?

    Now many of these same future generation of the European settlers are worried of becoming minorities one day and starting to fall into all kind of conspiracy theories against the whiteman were the brown folk will take over :android:
    I am not worried becoming a minority, I am a minority since the moment I was born and I feel fine with that, makes me special.
     
    O Brother

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    I am not worried becoming a minority, I am a minority since the moment I was born and I feel fine with that, makes me special.
    I never said you do but there are some white folks who actually worry about this as mainstream media keeps bombarding them with this kind of news.. fox news probably the most..

    or stuff like this one:
    The US will become ‘minority white’ in 2045, Census projects
    New census population projections confirm the importance of racial minorities as the primary demographic engine of the nation’s future growth, countering an aging, slow-growing and soon to be declining white population. The new statistics project that the nation will become “minority white” in 2045. During that year, whites will comprise 49.7 percent of the population in contrast to 24.6 percent for Hispanics, 13.1 percent for blacks, 7.9 percent for Asians, and 3.8 percent for multiracial populations (see Figure 1).
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    I never said you do but there are some white folks who actually worry about this as mainstream media keeps bombarding them with this kind of news.. fox news probably the most..

    or stuff like this one:
    The US will become ‘minority white’ in 2045, Census projects
    New census population projections confirm the importance of racial minorities as the primary demographic engine of the nation’s future growth, countering an aging, slow-growing and soon to be declining white population. The new statistics project that the nation will become “minority white” in 2045. During that year, whites will comprise 49.7 percent of the population in contrast to 24.6 percent for Hispanics, 13.1 percent for blacks, 7.9 percent for Asians, and 3.8 percent for multiracial populations (see Figure 1).
    I am White and you do not know what other Whites think, do not project.

    As to those numbers - Democrat's narrative about "Whites being afraid" is failing because there were much more Blacks and Hispanics who have voted for Trump and Trump promoted White Republicans in 2016 and 2018 than for any Republican before.

    What will Democrats do when they will see that even minorities are urning against them.
     
    Indie

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    This image is sad seeing women and children being forced to leave their own homes...

    But it made me think about back in time when the Europeans invaded the so called Americas how did the natives feel about it all!?

    Karma is a ***** the say?

    Now many of these same future generation of the European settlers are worried of becoming minorities one day and starting to fall into all kind of conspiracy theories against the whiteman were the brown folk will take over :android:
    For starters, I don't believe in karma.

    Second, everyone was more violent back in the day. Not just Whites / Europeans. Natives were violent against each other as well. We're not going to base our current decisions on what happened centuries ago. Not if we have evolved, that is.

    Finally, as a supporter of Islam, you should concern yourself with the violence Muslims are committing in this day and age, instead of what the Europeans did in seventeen fourty-twelve.
     
    O Brother

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    For starters, I don't believe in karma.

    Second, everyone was more violent back in the day. Not just Whites / Europeans. Natives were violent against each other as well. We're not going to base our current decisions on what happened centuries ago. Not if we have evolved, that is.

    Finally, as a supporter of Islam, you should concern yourself with the violence Muslims are committing in this day and age, instead of what the Europeans did in seventeen fourty-twelve.

    Everyone was more violent? how more violent? don't tell me you are one of those who says this is 21th century!!
    meaning everything is much better now and humans are more civilized somehow!

    Sorry @Indie but you are making a serious arrogant statement here.. Violence exist since always and will continue to do so!

    Its funny how you want to turn this on Islam while you love to close the history pages of the bloody violent history of Christianity while in reality the violence Christians committed compared to others would make us look amateurish!

    Also speaking about violence in our modern times, clearly you intentionally missed all the events ongoing in the world since WW 1!
    USA continuously with their puppets waged wars against other countries and even used nuclear bombs despite the Japanese losing the war!

    Also you seems to have short memory of how USA intervened in South American countries and were behind lots of the violent ongoing in these countries to this very same day!

    The problem is that you think that the world have evolved to something much better!
    While in truth it did not at all! Now days they can kill masses with a push of button.. the state of the world is way worse than it used to be and so on!

    The natives lifestyle was way.. way.. way less violent than the genocidal Europeans who invaded their lands!

    Sadly you love to close your eyes of the violence committed by the Europeans which still continues against the poorest countries of the world to this very day and even against the indigenous people!
     
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    O Brother

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    I am White and you do not know what other Whites think, do not project.

    As to those numbers - Democrat's narrative about "Whites being afraid" is failing because there were much more Blacks and Hispanics who have voted for Trump and Trump promoted White Republicans in 2016 and 2018 than for any Republican before.

    What will Democrats do when they will see that even minorities are urning against them.

    I don't give a shit about republicans or democrats and who voted for who!

    You can play along and refuse to admit the racial demographic fear factor in USA but it is real and we all can see it!

    Why are there so many white Americans against Hispanic people you think?

    Now obviously nobody is talking about all white Americans so I don't know why you are feeling targeted by this!
    There are those white folks who obviously like to see America more ethnically diverse and the younger generation is heading in that direction from the look of it!
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    I don't give a shit about republicans or democrats and who voted for who!

    You can play along and refuse to admit the racial demographic fear factor in USA but it is real and we all can see it!

    Why are there so many white Americans against Hispanic people you think?

    Now obviously nobody is talking about all white Americans so I don't know why you are feeling targeted by this!
    There are those white folks who obviously like to see America more ethnically diverse and the younger generation is heading in that direction from the look of it!
    "I don't give a shit about republicans or democrats and who voted for who!" -

    Well, you should because Democrats are hoping to increase their dwindling base using illegals.

    Once Democrats will discover that it is not producing desired effect they will become the most stringent protectors of our borders you have ever seen.
     
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    "I don't give a shit about republicans or democrats and who voted for who!" -

    Well, you should because Democrats are hoping to increase their dwindling base using illegals.

    Once Democrats will discover that it is not producing desired effect they will become the most stringent protectors of our borders you have ever seen.
    its like on a cue
    the whole msm with one voice and photo
    commies

    now the fcat that tehir mother ( if she is at all) dragging them 5000 Km through danger is ok by them
    and she is running from what ??
    a failed state and poverty

    maybe trump shuld open the usa to all the people and bring in like 100 millon overnight

    that should solve the issue once and for all
     
    proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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    its like on a cue
    the whole msm with one voice and photo
    commies

    now the fcat that tehir mother ( if she is at all) dragging them 5000 Km through danger is ok by them
    and she is running from what ??
    a failed state and poverty

    maybe trump shuld open the usa to all the people and bring in like 100 millon overnight

    that should solve the issue once and for all
    We cannot even be sure this is not some kind of rent-a-mother/rent-a-kid staged for photo shoot.
     
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