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Nassib Lahoud announced his candidacy to the Presidency

kappa273

Well-Known Member
people, people...

it is the right of anyone to run for the presidency, without any distinction (of course there are some rules and conditions)...

now whether they make fun of themselves is something totally different...

shouldn't lahoud before becoming the joke of town win some family, neighborhood, village, district elections?

this is how things are supposed to go..
u start small and slowly grow...

did he create a motto? or he's waiting for Bill O'Reilly?

kappa
 

SeekNirvana

Well-Known Member
In general, I think this speech by NL is positive. It's not a partisan speech and is quite unifying on major issues the Lebanese agree on. Although it contains its share of cheesiness (is that a sign of populism?), here are some excerpts that caught my attention. The criticism is not specifically for NL in some cases, many other politicians have similar stances, and some points apply to them as well.

انها فرصة سانحة للبنانيين لتجديد عقد الشراكة الوطنية الذي أبرمه اللبنانيون مع أجدادهم للعيش في ظل دولة واحدة لا شرعية فوق شرعيتها ولا سيادة فوق سيادتها.
I think that in this statement the presidency is being blown out of proportion. We all know that a renewal of the social contract [if it exists] needs way more than barely electing a president.
وتزدحم اسئلة أخرى د تكون اقل إلحاحا لكن ليست اقل اهمية وهي كيف نحمي صيغة العيش المشترك الواحد، كيف نستعيد النظام الديموقراطي وعمل المؤسسات الدستورية، كيف نبني اقتصادا حديثا يرفع مستوى معيشة اللبنانيين، مع آليات مستدامة لمكافحة الفساد، كيف نحبذ حركة الفكر والفن والتربية والتعليم، كيف نعمل آليات لتجاوز الواقع الطائفي. إنها أسئلة مفاتيح للوضع اللبناني، والسعي الى تقديم اجوبة هو حجر الاساس لأي مشروع وطني اصلاحي وتطويري جامع.
With regard to the point above, I do not understand how our politicians can still not give a priority for the points NL enumerated above. How many more wars will it take us to understand that the current pseudo-democratic system that we have is not working? How many more TV programs showing people's misery and how lower does the minimum wage have to go for our politicians to realize that the economical situation and the quality of life of the Lebanese are in a constant deterioration?

ولعل العديد من الاجوبة والتطمينات والضمانات لا يزال موجودا في اتفاق الطائف، خصوصا ما يتصل بأساسيات بناء الاوطان والاستقلال والعيش المشترك التي هي في لبنان الاقانيم الثلاثة لجوهر واحد ومنطلق الوحدة الوطنية".
The hype behind Taef is just not rational. Going by the representativity of the current political players, Taef was rejected by 2 out of 3 major parliamentary blocs; each bloc for its own reason obviously, but still. The criticality of this subject could take us to a whole new thread.

Now, here comes my favorite part, and I'm not sure how much Solidere is going to like this
يجب ان تكون الخصخصة لتوسيع النمو في القطاع الخاص وليس لاعتبارات مالية، ولتوفير الخدمة العامة للمواطنين في كل المناطق وبأسعار عادلة، ومع قرار الخصخصة يجب تفادي انطلاق المرافق من احتكار القطاع العام الى احتكار قلة من القطاع الخاص، وهذا التوازن يتحقق عبر آليات تضمن الشفافية والمنافسة الشريفة بين الشركات المشغلة،
It's quite courageous to say that, and I really appreciate that NL has the courage to say it. But I still think it's funny

I must also say that he made excellent points about the elections law being a priority, and the part about civil society is also quite impressive. He also made some good points about reforms. He also spoke of another key point which is tax reform, and made a series of interesting points about citizens' rights (people with disabilities, education, technical education, health care); in short those miscellaneous stuff that our politicians usually have no time for.

All in all, I think that this vision is very interesting, we could also engage in a comparison with Aoun's proposed vision for that matter, and I'm pretty sure we could find a lot of similarities.

The problem remains the following: how realistic is it for NL to apply this vision and what kind of support does he have to press for this kind of reform? Last time we checked, DRM has 1 MP (Ahdab) and some of these ideas are not shared by others in M14.
 

fidelio

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Meej, the problem with NL is not in his literature, it's in his obvious incapacity to deliver.
His program seems good if you find the right angle to look at it, but that doesn't eliminate the after-elections period and his weak position among a bunch of people who will obviously concider his election as a winning card over the rest.
The real problem is not with NL personally, it's with the people who are going to put him on the leash of their votes.
Khaled Saghieh pretty much sums it up here:

فئويّة مقنّعة

خالد صاغية

لا شكّ في أنّ نسيب لحود هو أحد أكثر رجالات 14 آذار أهليّة لمنصب رئاسة الجمهورية. ولا شكّ في أنّ البرنامج الذي طرحه أمس، كما تاريخه السياسي، يحمل العديد من النقاط المضيئة. لكنّ الانقسام الحاصل حالياً، في حال استمراره بعد الانتخابات الرئاسيّة، كفيل بإطاحة أيّ برنامج، مهما علا شأنه. ستذهب البرامج، كلّها، كما يقال، «فرق عملة».
لذلك، لم يكن موفّقاً مرشّح الأكثرية حين أجاب عن أحد الأسئلة بقوله: «إنّ قوى 14 آذار مصرّة على مرشّح من ضمن فريقها لأنّه يملك رؤية ليست فئوية، بل تستوعب جميع اللبنانيين». هذه الإجابة توحي بأنّ صاحبها يعتبر أنّ أيّ مرشّح من خارج قوى 14 آذار لا يمكن أن يملك رؤية غير فئوية. وهذا المنطق ليس جديداً. إنّه المنطق الذي تعاطت به قوى 14 آذار منذ انطلاقة حركتها.
فهذه القوى لا تستطيع أن تنظر إلى نفسها كفريق لبناني. إنّها، كما ترى نفسها، الفريق اللبناني. وكلّ من هو خارج عنها فئوي، انقلابي، أو عميل، وفي أحسن الأحوال يمثّل اعتراضاً، وإن كان جدياً، إلا أنّه يظلّ اعتراضاً على المشروع الوحدوي الوحيد الموجود في البلد.
لا يمكن لرئيس الجمهورية المقبل، حتّى لو جاء من صفوف 14 آذار، أن يستمرّ في هذا المنطق. فهذا المنطق الوحدويّ في الظاهر يعيد تقسيم اللبنانيين إلى فريقين، يملك أحدهما نظرة إلى البلاد، فيما لا يملك الآخر إلا قدرته على التعطيل.

One of the president's main articles in his job description is his role as a referee between all the conflicting directions of the country's policy, in our particular case, he has to find an equilibrium between the HA policy and the FM policy. Not to mention his need of a strong parliamentary bloc in parliament to back his proposals. IMO, NL doesn't have the capability or the experience to be effective under the circumstances.
One thing NL failed to mention is his strategy to counter the rising danger of extremism we are witnessing ever since we became a sa7et jihad rather than a sa7et nosra, which is something much more important than the embellished social and economical program.

now for those couple of sentences:
وتزدحم اسئلة أخرى د تكون اقل إلحاحا لكن ليست اقل اهمية وهي كيف نحمي صيغة العيش المشترك الواحد، كيف نستعيد النظام الديموقراطي وعمل المؤسسات الدستورية

ولعل العديد من الاجوبة والتطمينات والضمانات لا يزال موجودا في اتفاق الطائف، خصوصا ما يتصل بأساسيات بناء الاوطان والاستقلال والعيش المشترك التي هي في لبنان الاقانيم الثلاثة لجوهر واحد ومنطلق الوحدة الوطنية".

Come to think of it, he's the candidate of a group that shackled the constitutional committee, disregarded every democratic appeal for change and flushed their alliances down the drain the day after the elections in 2005.

He might have a perfect picture showing the future dream country where we should all be as regular citizens living in a democratic country, sharing the same rights and enjoying a good living in our daily pursuit of happiness, but he and his group, neither showed any intention of going there nor pointed out the right direction towards it.
 
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beiruti_o7

New Member
you fell in the trap :smile:
Aoun doesn't need Hariri's approval to his policies. Aoun doesn't rely on Hariri's political credit to push his vision through. Aoun has his own parliamentary bloc, popular support, and allies other than Hariri to have enough support to govern.

Now I repeat my question, why would Hariri listen to Lahoud now when he ignored his wonderful vision in the past?

no my friend, no, YOU fell in the trap.;) having a parliamentary block doesnt change the presidential powers , those will remain the same, but having a parliamentary block gives u another role, and gives u the ability to propose law projects, something that u rarely did in the past 2 years, or maybe forgot to do.

I am only replying because I owe FP a reply. and Seek Nirvana, excellent post.
 

CedarJet

Well-Known Member
During his shpeal, he claimed that if march14 nominates someone else, not only will he un-nominate himself, but he will stand side by side and support fully the nominated candidate.

We want a president who wants to be president because he believes in his agenda and wants to implement it, to better our country and society, not to better himself and his click.

We don't want a president who will drop their agenda in a second and support another agenda that he has no idea of yet.

We don't want a president who's history proves that he worked against the will of the free Lebanese people.

We don't want a president who is a foreign puppet. Remind me, who's in lahoud's family? Who's he married to? What are his ties to the saudi regime?

As a side note, when asked if he will leave the presidential race is there is a consensual agreement to nominate General Aoun as president, the whole audience laughed, joined by lahoud, and his only comment was, "so3be".

This shows what a bunch of lackies we have in this country. Did we all forget the past 15 years of syrian rule? Did we already forget the banana republic? How all of these lackies were kissing the boots of the syrian soldier.

People, let's not forget these past years, let's not forget who fought for freedom every single day. Let's not forget the people who gave their life for the struggle.

To lahoud and his supporters, thanks for coming out, but no presidency for you (a la soup nazi).
 

nodnod

New Member
I'll do my best don't worry but I'm still asking for YOUR OWN interpretation of the problems and solutions, if you're interested in debating them, go ahead.


Uhm fidelio, it's Nassib Lahoud who's running for the presidency, not me.

And I think we are all here to discuss his program.
 

the_hitman_9

Well-Known Member
As many have pointed out, the program in itself is not the problem but the possibility to implement it. I ask of you ( DRM followers mostly and 14 Feb as well ), will Nassib Lahoud have a carte blanche by the current majority to implement that program ? And if he finds himself in disagreement with the current majority what are his pressure cards ( If he has any ) to implement his vision if he really thinks its the best solution for Lebanon ? And how will he stand up to a government if it decides to ignore his presidency like he irresponsibly did to the current president and was an accomplice in weakening the institution.
 

vegojimbo

Legendary Member
Yup, even non- feudal lords , non-demigods and non- army generals can be president. Crazy isn't it?

what's wrong in a ex-army general becoming president? forgot about democracy so easily to have a quick jab at ur opponent?


by the way, I didn't understand Citizens' point. what's wrong with an ordinary citizen nominating himself for the presidency? nothing.
What's trully wong is nominating oneself to a position that represents the ppl, even after being rejected by the same ppl one claims thy wants to represent.

Oh the irony!!!
 

CedarJet

Well-Known Member
As many have pointed out, the program in itself is not the problem but the possibility to implement it. I ask of you ( DRM followers mostly and 14 Feb as well ), will Nassib Lahoud have a carte blanche by the current majority to implement that program ? And if he finds himself in disagreement with the current majority what are his pressure cards ( If he has any ) to implement his vision if he really thinks its the best solution for Lebanon ? And how will he stand up to a government if it decides to ignore his presidency like he irresponsibly did to the current president and was an accomplice in weakening the institution.

He's been with the saudis and americans for a long time. I don't see him having the courage to have his own thought. He is a man that will follow the agenda given to him

When did we see this man stand up and speak his mind? We all know we've had years for people to come out and shine, but how many did?

Tab sou2al, if he is a man of courage, a man of honor, a man for the people, why doesn't he have any backing? I know it's been beaten to death, but why wasn't he able to get enough votes to be a MP? I don't want to flog a dead horse, but you cannot be a president if you don't have the backing of the people. The days where presidents are appointed should be over.

As for him standing up for himself against the government, I don't think he'd really care, he'd be too busy building himself an empire.

I'm a man that likes to look at history to judge people. What has this man done for Lebanon that proves he is worthy to be it's president?
 

the_hitman_9

Well-Known Member
He's been with the saudis and americans for a long time. I don't see him having the courage to have his own thought. He is a man that will follow the agenda given to him

When did we see this man stand up and speak his mind? We all know we've had years for people to come out and shine, but how many did?

Tab sou2al, if he is a man of courage, a man of honor, a man for the people, why doesn't he have any backing? I know it's been beaten to death, but why wasn't he able to get enough votes to be a MP? I don't want to flog a dead horse, but you cannot be a president if you don't have the backing of the people. The days where presidents are appointed should be over.

As for him standing up for himself against the government, I don't think he'd really care, he'd be too busy building himself an empire.

I'm a man that likes to look at history to judge people. What has this man done for Lebanon that proves he is worthy to be it's president?

I fully agree with you. And i already pointed out the fact that the Presidency is not a consolation reward for someone that lost to get to the parliament. But since DRM and 14 Feb Followers are pretty much avoiding that issue I figured i'd let it go and tackle something else :)

And unfortunately since this is Lebanon and people have a very short memory and very shortsighted visions I tried tackling his future as a president ( b3id el charr :p ) instead of going after his infamous past.
 

Danny Z

Legendary Member
Uhm, every time he voted or proposed a law in parliament in the last decade, maybe?

give us examples, bala ta2 7anak ktir.

Maybe I should give you examples.

1-The man was democratically appointed an MP (neyeb, bi noub 3an yalli 3ayanou?)
2-The man asked the US to kick the Lebanese ambassador out of washington to take his place, so much for wi7de wattaniye
3-The man was against the Syrians withdrawing, so much for siyede
4-The man never said a word against the government not presenting a budget for 2 years, The Canadian prime minister resolved the parliament when the budget did not pass. Nassib did not give a damn, so much for tatbi2 el kawanin

At7afna bill democracy, unity, siyede will kawanin, yet all 4 examples i gave you prove he failed in his past to uphold what he claims to be.
It is not only in programs that people succeed, it is also in their resumes and you resume proves your intentions and your precedents.

What garantees does he have that he will not be treated the same way every Lahoud is treated? he never objected to how Lahoud has been treated yet at7afna bi innou baddou ytabbe2 el ta2ef in his electoral program.

If you have the slightest gram of intelligence, you would see that all he is after is the chair, but i don't want to insult your intelligence maybe you know all this but you know you will benefit from corruption or maybe you are related to him.
 

Ghnadine

Active Member
guys can I ask one question.....would you accept a puppet on the presidents chair, would you accept a man who is backed up by the USA Goverment who through the years proved through the Syrian invasion how it JUST gave Lebanon on a gold tray, with the help of some traitors, to Syria???
In the year 1990 Hariri Government and with the help of Samir Ga3ga3 they helped the Syrians to invade the east Territories of Lebanon and exile the Prime minister General Michel Aoun. At that time the United States Government they handed the Lebanese File the Syrians.
Today Because the United States Of America Government changed her policies and they need to punish Syria for incorporation in the Iraq matter and all her allies still the same which are The Sanura Government or shall we say the Hariri government and also backed up by the American government. So all that has changed is the Americans threw out the Syrians from the picture.

Anyway, what better way to cause scariness among the people then to tell them that their opposition is allied with Syria, which isn't true? But in fact the alleged caring(I am being Ironic) Goverment who is backed up by the states is actually only looking out for themselves, that’s why when Nasseb lahoud had an press conference all the 14 Feb. where there, for sure to guarantee they will get something out of it from the Americans that is to show them they are in States favor???.........So the alleged Gov. is using their dirty tricks to get the people on their side but I guess the Lebanese people have learned and know now who is telling the truth and who isn't, also the million and half who went to the streets to enforce the resignation of Sanura which he disrespectfully denied and didn't do and with their propaganda said not a lot of people I guess he needed his glasses then, all the 14feb. are American puppets and that includes Nassib Lahoud.....so what do u think about that....its weird how some people never learn we went into a 20 year war because America wanted so ,by giving Lebanon to Syria ,now because of the current situation and Syria is out of the picture and their plans work this way for the benefit of Israel they back up the Sanura Gov.
How can we not Learn from our past mistakes..They sold us cheep for 20 years and now they are playing with us to fit their picture by choosing our president how is that democracy and how is it they are not interfering???
 

Amirkani

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Uhm, every time he voted or proposed a law in parliament in the last decade, maybe?
I agree he did speak his mind against pushing Syria out through SALSRA, in Parliament in favor of maintaining the Syrian occupation after they appointed him an MP in 92, as an Ambassador in the US to take over the Lebanese Embassy and lobby for the Syrians to slaughter the Lebanese soldiers (the same Army that just saved the tush of every Lebanese in Nahr el-Bared).

Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying N. Lahoud is a Syrian puppet. He is not.

History has shown that he dances only to a Saudi tune. It has shown that he is pro-Syrian when the Saudis are pro-Syrian, and anti-Syrian when the Saudis are anti-Syrian.

Unfortunately, circumstances have so far dictated that he's always anti-Lebanese.

He still has to show that he's pro-Lebanese once... I never lose hope.

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Elyane El Helou

New Member
These were very nice political campaign promises outlined by a very interesting agenda so why are you all against him then? and based on what are you rejecting his proposals?
 

Jerry

Well-Known Member
These were very nice political campaign promises outlined by a very interesting agenda so why are you all against him then? and based on what are you rejecting his proposals?

this is the answer of us , el sha3eb el 3adi : easy , he has as many supporters on the ground as his cousin Emile ... :biggrin:
 

neutral

Legendary Member
These were very nice political campaign promises outlined by a very interesting agenda so why are you all against him then? and based on what are you rejecting his proposals?
Emil Lahoud had a very nice electoral speech...

9 years later, we r still lookin for 1 achieved promise from the numerous he made...
 

neutral

Legendary Member
These were very nice political campaign promises outlined by a very interesting agenda so why are you all against him then? and based on what are you rejecting his proposals?
Elyane...

Nassib Lahoud lacks the balls required to achieve such a program.

mind my spanish :wink:

regards
 
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