• Before posting an article from a specific source, check this list here to see how much the Orange Room trust it. You can also vote/change your vote based on the source track record.

Nazis on the rise in Europe & USA

JustLeb

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
EXCLUSIVE: CNN poll reveals depth of anti-Semitism in Europe

Screen Shot 2018-11-27 at 23.48.40.png


Anti-Semitic stereotypes are alive and well in Europe, while the memory of the Holocaust is starting to fade, a sweeping new survey by CNN reveals. More than a quarter of Europeans polled believe Jews have too much influence in business and finance. Nearly one in four said Jews have too much influence in conflict and wars across the world.

One in five said they have too much influence in the media and the same number believe they have too much influence in politics.
Meanwhile, a third of Europeans in the poll said they knew just a little or nothing at all about the Holocaust...
 

JustLeb

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Netanyahu joins world leaders in lamenting results of CNN poll on anti-Semitism
By James Masters, CNN

Updated 2208 GMT (0608 HKT) November 27, 2018



CNN poll reveals anti-Semitism is alive and well in Europe 01:57
For full coverage on CNN International please tune into Hala Gorani Tonight at 7 p.m. GMT.
(CNN)Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has joined lawmakers and leading figures involved in the fight against anti-Semitism by saying he is "concerned" about the results of CNN's investigation into European attitudes toward Jews.
"I'm concerned, because I think anti-Semitism is an ancient disease and when it rears its ugly head, it first attacks the Jews, but it never stops with that, and then it sweeps entire societies, as happened obviously in mid-century Europe," he told CNN's Oren Liebermann. "First in Germany and then throughout all of Europe and the consequences were horrible."

According to the poll, more than a quarter of Europeans surveyed believe Jews have too much influence in business and finance. Nearly one in four said Jews have too much influence in conflict and wars across the world.
 

Indie

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
EXCLUSIVE: CNN poll reveals depth of anti-Semitism in Europe

View attachment 11268


Anti-Semitic stereotypes are alive and well in Europe, while the memory of the Holocaust is starting to fade, a sweeping new survey by CNN reveals. More than a quarter of Europeans polled believe Jews have too much influence in business and finance. Nearly one in four said Jews have too much influence in conflict and wars across the world.

One in five said they have too much influence in the media and the same number believe they have too much influence in politics.
Meanwhile, a third of Europeans in the poll said they knew just a little or nothing at all about the Holocaust...

1 in 20 Europeans has never heard of the holocaust?

Very credible.
 

JustLeb

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Usually CNN start talking about anti-semitism and the holocaust after an israeli massacre against Palestinians...
This is has been consistent over the years that I read CNN, however today I don't know what triggered this surge...
But one thing I noticed among my french colleagues, especially of portuguese origins is that they are more vocal about criticising the israelis



https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/28/europe/germany-anti-semitism-education-intl/index.html

(CNN)Rachel always thought it was best to hide her religion from her high school students. The trouble started a few years ago when she let slip to a student that she was Jewish.
"I found swastikas scribbled in their textbooks, they drew penises around my name on the blackboard, and they'd yell like 'Hey, Jew' at me during class," said Rachel, a teacher in Berlin. "It became harder... to do my job."
Rachel, whose name has been changed because of safety concerns, went to her headmaster, and then to the police, but she said neither took her complaint seriously and would not intervene.

She said things got worse. The students saw Israel as a menace, an oppressor of the Palestinian people and viewed her as a stand-in for the Jewish state, she said. They took out their frustration by screaming anti-Semitic slurs at her.
Last year, she decided to switch schools for her own safety. She has not told her new students she's Jewish.
In a country still haunted by the Holocaust, anti-Semitic incidents in the classroom offer clear evidence that deep wounds haven't healed. Some Jewish teachers and students say they are caught between a surge of traditional right-wing anti-Semitism and threats from Muslim immigrants angry at Israel.

Unsure of how to deal with anti-Semitism in the classroom, Jewish teachers very often keep incidents to themselves to avoid tipping off their own religious identity, according to Marina Chernivsky, the head of the Berlin-based organization Kompetenz Zentrum für Pravention und Empowerment (or Competence Center for Prevention and Empowerment), which provides counseling to individual and institutions after anti-Semitic and discriminatory incidents.
She recently held a workshop to help Jewish teachers deal with anti-Semitism in their classrooms. Around 20 Jewish teachers attended the session; Chernivsky said it was the first time many of them opened up about the problem.
"It's not normal to be Jewish in Germany so anti-Semitism is not normal to talk about," Chernivsky said. "It's very taboo."

It took history and politics teacher Michal Schwartze years to reveal her religion to her students.
The Frankfurt based 42-year-old said she didn't feel comfortable teaching about the Holocaust, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or anti-Semitism in Europe without being transparent with her students.
"I don't say hey I am Jewish, but I make it clear that I am personally affected," said Schwartze.
A few years ago, Schwartze penned an article in her school's newspaper encouraging students to stop using the word "Jew" as a slur. She said she took a risk writing the piece, but it raised awareness around anti-Semitism at her school.
"Fortunately, I have colleagues who are sensitive and a headmaster who has an interest in preventing anti-Semitism," says Schwartze. She cautioned that Jewish teachers who don't have similar support need to "hide their identity."
Berlin's Department of Research and Information on Anti-Semitism (RIAS) said serious incidents affecting Jewish students and teachers in Berlin's schools doubled from 15 to 30 in 2017 and the rate is on a similar pace this year. RIAS said most episodes still go unreported. Those that were reported included a 16-year-old girl taunted by classmates who chanted "gas for the Jews." A 14-year-old boy who was bullied, kicked and shot with an air gun because he was Jewish. And a Jewish student at a prominent international prep school who had cigarette smoke blown in his face while his assailants asked how it felt to be sent to the showers.

Nineteen-year-old Florian Mätzschker told CNN he faced so many threats at his Berlin high school that he had to use a separate entrance.
"As a Jew in Germany you feel attacked on all sides," he said. "There's no trusting the German government to protect us."
Career diplomat Felix Klein, 50, was appointed in April to a newly created cabinet-level position: Germany's anti-Semitism commissioner. He said although anti-Semitic attitudes have long bubbled below the surface in Germany, those views are now exploding into the open.
"The word Jew as an insult was not common when I went to school," said Klein. "Now it is, and it's even an insult at schools where there are no Jewish students. That's a problem."

Forgetting the Holocaust
German high school students learn about the Holocaust in the ninth grade, around the age of 14 or 15. They're taught about the state-sponsored murder of millions of Jews and they take field trips to nearby concentration camps. A generation ago, teachers lingered on the events of the Third Reich, making sure to present it to students as part of their country's heritage. Now, as survivors dwindle and the immigrant population grows, Jewish leaders fear that history is being cleaved from the German experience.
"There's been an ever-growing tendency on the part of some in German education to universalize the lessons of the Holocaust," said Deidre Berger, the head of the American Jewish Committee in Berlin. "This was a singular historical event that emanated from Germany, and when German students learn that they need to know that."

And yet a CNN poll found that 40% of young German adults know little to nothing about the Holocaust. The numbers don't surprise Saraya Gomis, the anti-discrimination commissioner for Berlin's education, youth and family department.
"So often in schools, the Holocaust is only treated as something in the past and this has nothing to do with our present," said Gomis, who is half-German, half-Senegalese. "It's not enough to just go to concentration camps and say that was a long time ago and now we are good. The result is that students don't see Jews as living people, just something that happened in the past."
POLL: CNN poll reveals depth of anti-Semitism in Europe
Guillermo Pineiro, who teaches Spanish and German at a high school in Essen, said the history of the Third Reich is taught at school, but for students "it's a little more abstract."
Last year, after an incident where a group of students were caught using Jewish slurs in class, Pineiro decided to reach out to an organization called "Rent-a-Jew," which finds Jewish volunteers who want to speak about their history and culture.
"It was the first time any of them had ever met someone Jewish," Pineiro said.

Teachers not equipped
The German government is taking steps to address anti-Semitism in schools. It has dispatched 170 anti-bullying experts to selected schools across the country. Klein said his office is creating a nationwide registry where teachers, administrators, and the general public, can report anti-Semitic incidents. Right now, no such system exists, making it difficult for authorities to understand the scope of the problem.

CNN spoke with dozens of people, including Jewish teachers, students, and parents as well as German government officials and activists. They described a tendency among school administrators to cover up incidents and downplay anti-Semitic bullying. Anti-discrimination commissioner Gomis said many teachers and administrators are ill-equipped to recognize the problem and are more likely to make things worse.
"Many teachers and principals have a huge lack of knowledge when it comes to dealing with anti-Semitism," Gomis said. "They're not quite sure how to detect it, and when they do, they're too busy or stressed to deal with it."
Although 76% of Germany's Jews believe anti-Semitism is a problem, 77% of non-Jews in Germany believe the opposite, according to a recent government report. And parents say that makes it hard for administrators to confront anti-Semitism in their own schools.

"If you ask somebody's who's not Jewish if there are problems with anti-Semitism in Germany, they would say no way," said Wenzel Michalski, the father of a 15-year-old who was forced to switch schools after months of anti-Semitic bullying. "They think it's a Jew making a fuss."
Michalski is the head of the German chapter of Human Rights Watch. He said his son began attending Friedenauer Gemeinschaftsschule in December 2016. Its motto: "A School Without Racism".
The grandson of a Holocaust survivor, Michalski's son told his new classmates he was Jewish.
"He said it was like you could a hear a pin drop," said Michalski. "His cover was blown. His new friends said you can't hang out with us anymore because you're Jewish and the attacks quickly became worse and worse."
Michalski says his son, who was 14 at the time, was smacked on the head and kicked to the point where he developed bruises. Three months into his stint at the school, a fellow student shot him with an air gun while taunting him with anti-Semitic slurs.
Michalski said school administrators tried to play it off as "boys will be boys," and were unwilling to do anything about the incident. He ended up pulling his son out of the school three months after he enrolled.

CNN has contacted the school for comment and did not receive a response. In an interview with the German publication Der Tagesspiegel, principal Uwe Runkel defended the school's actions and said that administrators reacted quickly when they learned what had happened.
Runkel later posted a message on the school's website detailing the steps he took to address anti-Semitism, which included reporting the incident to Gomis' office and hosting group discussions, mediated by trained experts, where students and teachers could discuss how the school should deal with anti-Semitic bullying in the future.
A year and a half later, Michalski says the school still hasn't taken the issue seriously enough.
"When you see how they react, it's not surprising that there's a new generation of kids growing up as anti-Semites," Michalski said.

Ready to leave?
Five years ago, Germany's Jews would have never considered moving away from the country, according to Doron Rubin, the leader of Berlin's Kahal Adass Jisroel community organization. During the 1990s and early 2000s, Germany was in the midst of a Jewish revival -- the population had grown to over 200,000, and rabbis were ordained in Berlin for the first time since the Holocaust.
Now, Rubin said, the question of leaving is being discussed again.

"I think the German establishment is surprised to be dealing with anti-Semitism again," said Rubin. "They thought it was something that's past, and I think in recent years they've understood it's a broader problem that's not just going to go away."
Community leaders in part blame an increase in inflammatory rhetoric from far-right parties like Alternative for Germany (AfD) for changing public discourse. They say it is not only Jews who are targeted by racist rhetoric -- Muslim, African and LGBT communities are also affected.
"Right-wing populism plays a huge role in making people feel comfortable using slurs," says Alexander Rasumny executive director of RIAS. "I think we're seeing a shift in the thing that can be said in public, and opinions that are socially accepted."


The neo-Nazi banners and salutes that have appeared at recent far-right protests have alarmed German Jews, but many say the more immediate threat is from parts of Germany's immigrant population. They say they are often targeted with slurs by Muslims. According to Klein, traditional tools for tackling neo-Nazism are not a solution and he is looking to leaders in the Muslim community for help.
"When we talk about Muslim-originated anti-Semitism, I think we can only win that battle with the help of the moderate Muslims," Klein said. "Without them, this won't be a successful fight."
Some of that work is already underway. Named after a heavily Muslim neighborhood in Berlin, the Kreuzberg Initiative against anti-Semitism (KIgA) sends teaching guides into more than 40 schools across Germany to help counsel young Muslims at risk of radicalization. One of the goals: encourage dialogue among Muslim students and their Jewish peers.
KIgA's chairman Dervis Hizarci cautions against painting all Muslims as anti-Semitic. Doing so, he said, further alienates young Muslims who may also be facing discrimination in German society.
"We have to make Muslims feel addressed," Hizarci said. "Fighting anti-Semitism among Muslims can only succeed if we do that together with Muslims. If we talk to Muslims instead of talking about them."
Peaceful dialogue might be a difficult proposition, especially when many young Jews are determined to defend Israel's policies. Before graduating last year, Florian Mätzschker said he was one of two Jews at a 1,200-student high school in Berlin's Wedding district. Mätzschker didn't come from a religious family, but the more he was threatened, the more he began dreaming of moving to Israel to join the Israeli army.

Last December, he was sitting alone in the school cafeteria when a group of Muslim classmates came up to him and started giving him a hard time about US President Donald Trump moving the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. He tried to defend Israel's claim to the city.
"That's when they started saying over and over again, 'We will destroy you', and then one girl said to me 'Adolf Hitler was a good guy because he killed the Jews,'" Mätzschker said. "She just kept saying it over and over again. I was in shock."
He said the comment set him off. He told her she wasn't allowed to say that. That's when the group of students started swarming him, screaming "Israel is the murderer."
"I was really, really scared," Mätzschker said. "I couldn't get out, they had me surrounded on all sides. It was like suffocating. I finally broke away, but even the teachers were scared to step in."
For the rest of the year he spent breaks sequestered from his fellow students and covered his yarmulke under a baseball cap.
"I got through because I kept saying to myself, 'One day soon, I will be in Israel and this will all be over.'"
Clarissa Ward and Antonia Mortensen contributed to this report from Berlin.

A special edition of CNN talk with Max Foster and Clarissa Ward will discuss the findings of the CNN/ComRes anti-Semitism poll. Watch on CNN International and Facebook.com/CNNI at 12 p.m. GMT.
 

GrumpForTrump

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Does criticizing the Jewish religion make one an Anti-Semite, too?
It's a pretty violent faith, just like Islam.

(Knowing CNN and their distorted view of liberalism and democracy, I have a feeling it does)
 

JustLeb

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Does criticizing the Jewish religion make one an Anti-Semite, too?
It's a pretty violent faith, just like Islam.

(Knowing CNN and their distorted view of liberalism and democracy, I have a feeling it does)

I knew many jews in my work, and what pisses off the french the most is that they clearly show that they are more israelis than french, despite that their ancestors were born and lived in France.
PS. of course this also cover the algerians and morrocans
 

Isabella

The queen of "Bazella"
Orange Room Supporter
I knew many jews in my work, and what pisses off the french the most is that they clearly show that they are more israelis than french, despite that their ancestors were born and lived in France.
PS. of course this also cover the algerians and morrocans

That's definitely not applicable to everyone... In my experience Jewish people from Arabic countries are more "israeli" when compared to the French. I know my fair share, some are friends and family members. I've only ever had conflict with an algerian Jew who likes to always open the subject of Israel every time he sees me, and this weird Algerian lady at my gyno's office who started talking about Israel the moment I told her I was Lebanese.
 

Isabella

The queen of "Bazella"
Orange Room Supporter
Does criticizing the Jewish religion make one an Anti-Semite, too?
It's a pretty violent faith, just like Islam.

(Knowing CNN and their distorted view of liberalism and democracy, I have a feeling it does)

Jewish people usually encourage questioning their religion so nah criticizing it doesn't make you an anti-Semite not unless you can be both Jewish and antisemitic
 

JustLeb

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
That's definitely not applicable to everyone... In my experience Jewish people from Arabic countries are more "israeli" when compared to the French. I know my fair share, some are friends and family members. I've only ever had conflict with an algerian Jew who likes to always open the subject of Israel every time he sees me, and this weird Algerian lady at my gyno's office who started talking about Israel the moment I told her I was Lebanese.

Once I was working with a group of people, then a software-company representative arrives and started talking to the manager, during the discussion the manager wanted to joke so he told the representative "you really have to change your company's name, because its initials becomes SS, and we have lots of jews around here", suddenly 4 or 5 people of the group erupted in anger, accusing him of anti semitism because of what he said...That's when I knew they were jews.

And yeah as you said, once a guy started to tell in front of me that he is israeli (although he is french and born here) and loves israel when he knew I was lebanese
 

GrumpForTrump

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Jewish people usually encourage questioning their religion so nah criticizing it doesn't make you an anti-Semite not unless you can be both Jewish and antisemitic

Yep, fortunately Jews are not strict followers of the Torah, and their scripture is just scripture, not a set of religious rules by which they have to abide. Unlike their distance cousins...

What do you think is that?
There is far violence in the Bible than in the Quran and Sharia.
Yet only one group today is committing religiously-motivated violence.

There were acts of Nazi terrorism during the British Mandate, such as the King David Hotel Bombing,
but the Jewish society denounced them. Also, the motives were more political than religious.

On an another note, I've noticed that many Jews such tend to avoid criticizing Islam.
Is it because it puts them in the terrible position of not being able to defend their book against similar accusations?
 

CitizenOfTheRepublic

Legendary Member
You guys in Europe have it easy... I do have Jewish and Israeli people I call my friends, however, I don't openly discuss anything related to Israeli politics. In my line of work, you need VC funding to get something started and you'd be a freaking fool if you think your anti-Israeli positions no matter how moderate and reasonable will not affect the outcome.
 

JustLeb

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
You guys in Europe have it easy... I do have Jewish and Israeli people I call my friends, however, I don't openly discuss anything related to Israeli politics. In my line of work, you need VC funding to get something started and you'd be a freaking fool if you think your anti-Israeli positions no matter how moderate and reasonable will not affect the outcome.

I have to deal with some of them in my line of work, and I don't talk politics at all in the work environment, however French and specially Portuguese colleagues are doing a good job. I am a little bit ignorant in judaism I didn't know they don't eat pork too, so once a guy said he doesn't eat something because it contains pork, so a french guy asked him "so you go to heaven this way ? and the guy with M16 on the border of Gaza who does not eat pork but kills a palestinian child, goes to heaven as well ???!!!"
 

CitizenOfTheRepublic

Legendary Member
I have to deal with some of them in my line of work, and I don't talk politics at all in the work environment, however French and specially Portuguese colleagues are doing a good job. I am a little bit ignorant in judaism I didn't know they don't eat pork too, so once a guy said he doesn't eat something because it contains pork, so a french guy asked him "so you go to heaven this way ? and the guy with M16 on the border of Gaza who does not eat pork but kills a palestinian child, goes to heaven as well ???!!!"
Yeah you should see the nonsense your regular uninformed American spews, it'd probably make your extremist Israeli acquaintances look like choir boys. What makes it worse for me is that my accent is now pretty much dissolved and neither my name nor looks fit any Lebanese or Arab stereotype so byekhdo majdone...:rolleyes:
 

Isabella

The queen of "Bazella"
Orange Room Supporter
Once I was working with a group of people, then a software-company representative arrives and started talking to the manager, during the discussion the manager wanted to joke so he told the representative "you really have to change your company's name, because its initials becomes SS, and we have lots of jews around here", suddenly 4 or 5 people of the group erupted in anger, accusing him of anti semitism because of what he said...That's when I knew they were jews.

And yeah as you said, once a guy started to tell in front of me that he is israeli (although he is french and born here) and loves israel when he knew I was lebanese

I think Algerian Jews do this on purpose to prove that they belong or something. Like ooh yeah you're Lebanese I'm gonna try to provoke you with questions about Israel... I'm usually good about avoiding them except once when he asked about what I was going to name my kid I said nasrallah and he had a totally blank expression on his face almost like the blood was drained out until my husband laughed and he knew i was kidding
 

Iron Maiden

Paragon of Bacon
Orange Room Supporter
Inwanyed to write abt this earlier but i was looking for an article and couldnt find it, so the gist of it is the rise of anti semitism in europe is tjought to be linked to the coming of age of massive numbers of 2nd generation of arab based immigrants during the 90s and cultural segregation whithin their communities passing on their anti israel bias to their children.

I’m gonna keep trying to find it as it had a very interresting pov
 

Isabella

The queen of "Bazella"
Orange Room Supporter
Yep, fortunately Jews are not strict followers of the Torah, and their scripture is just scripture, not a set of religious rules by which they have to abide. Unlike their distance cousins...


What do you think is that?
There is far violence in the Bible than in the Quran and Sharia.
Yet only one group today is committing religiously-motivated violence.

There were acts of Nazi terrorism during the British Mandate, such as the King David Hotel Bombing,
but the Jewish society denounced them. Also, the motives were more political than religious.

On an another note, I've noticed that many Jews such tend to avoid criticizing Islam.
Is it because it puts them in the terrible position of not being able to defend their book against similar accusations?

I think both extremist versions of the religions are quite similar if you take orthodox Jews for example they believe that the Torah were given directly from god and apply everywhere so they live their lives with strict adherence to Jewish laws... They dress very modestly, they don't touch people of the opposite sex, married women must wear a scarf or cover their hair, of course you have the don't eat pork and the separation of meat and dairy things, blended fabrics etc.
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Legendary Member
Does criticizing the Jewish religion make one an Anti-Semite, too?
It's a pretty violent faith, just like Islam.

(Knowing CNN and their distorted view of liberalism and democracy, I have a feeling it does)

"[Judaism] It's a pretty violent faith, just like Islam" -

Are you criticizing dogma or are you criticizing actions of Jews?

If former, then I couldn't care less.
If latter, I'd like to see few examples where "just like Islam" before I will be able to render my judgment on "makes one an Anti-Semite".
 

Indie

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Inwanyed to write abt this earlier but i was looking for an article and couldnt find it, so the gist of it is the rise of anti semitism in europe is tjought to be linked to the coming of age of massive numbers of 2nd generation of arab based immigrants during the 90s and cultural segregation whithin their communities passing on their anti israel bias to their children.

I’m gonna keep trying to find it as it had a very interresting pov

That, and also the popularization of leftist ideologies. Leftists tend to take the Palestinian side.
 

Libnene Qu7

Super Ultra Senior Member
Orange Room Supporter
And there you have it folks, the requisite defense of Nazis by Indie only in spite of leftists.
 
Top