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Normandie : un mandat d'arrêt contre Père Mansour Labaki

Indie

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I'm not denying that at all. But that may be one part of the 8000 (considering it's really 2% and not more).

The other part, may not be consisted of men who were pedophiles before they joined the Church, but the harsh and strict rules of the Church led them to commit such acts.

This doesn't make sense, though.

If this was all about abstinence and sexual frustration, they would find adults to have sex with. They wouldn't go for kids.
 

Impera

Active Member
This doesn't make sense, though.

If this was all about abstinence and sexual frustration, they would find adults to have sex with. They wouldn't go for kids.

They are. There was a big scandal during Pope Benedict's tenure, there's a big ring of not just homosexuals but cross-dressers too, inside in the Catholic Church.

But I guess children are far easier to subdue.

It is unreal to deny one's natural feelings, if they can't take it out on women, they'll find other ways.

I may be wrong though, as I said I am alleging but it's not far fetched.
 

Indie

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They are. There was a big scandal during Pope Benedict's tenure, there's a big ring of not just homosexuals but cross-dressers too, inside in the Catholic Church.

But I guess children are far easier to subdue.

It is unreal to deny one's natural feelings, if they can't take it out on women, they'll find other ways.

I may be wrong though, as I said I am alleging but it's not far fetched.

I searched the forum archives for a link to a website I might have posted here, but I can't find it. It's a university professor who specializes on this topic, and you might find it interesting to read what he has to say. I'll share the link later if I find it.
 

Amirkani

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They are. There was a big scandal during Pope Benedict's tenure, there's a big ring of not just homosexuals but cross-dressers too, inside in the Catholic Church.

But I guess children are far easier to subdue.

It is unreal to deny one's natural feelings, if they can't take it out on women, they'll find other ways.

I may be wrong though, as I said I am alleging but it's not far fetched.
Take it out?
 

joseph_lubnan

Legendary Member
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Une contre-enquête locale pourrait établir l’innocence du P. Mansour Labaki - Fady NOUN - L'Orient-Le Jour

Une contre-enquête locale pourrait établir l’innocence du P. Mansour Labaki
JUSTICE
Des courriels obtenus par piratage prouveraient le caractère diffamatoire des accusations de « crimes sexuels sur mineures » lancées contre le prêtre.

Fadi NOUN / OLJ


La chambre de mise en accusation du Mont-Liban, présidée par Afif Hakim, agissant sur instruction du parquet, a insisté pour que sept personnes accusées de faux témoignage par l'avocat du P. Mansour Labaki, Me Antoine Akl, dans cette affaire de « crimes sexuels sur mineures » qui a défrayé la chronique ecclésiastique en 2012, soient interrogées.
Mgr Labaki, accusé de « crimes sexuels sur mineures de moins de quinze ans », avait été condamné par la section disciplinaire de la Congrégation pour la doctrine de la foi (CDF), par décret du 23 avril 2012, confirmé le 19 juin 2013, à une vie de prière et de pénitence, loin de tout mineur, sous peine d'excommunication et de renvoi de l'état clérical.



(Pour mémoire : Le père Mansour Labaky condamné pour abus sexuels sur mineures)


Le juge Afif Hakim a cassé une décision du juge d'instruction Peter Germanos qui avait choisi de suspendre les poursuites contre ces témoins, avant leur comparution. Il lui a demandé de poursuivre son enquête ou de s'en désister, officiellement, afin qu'elle soit confiée à un autre juge d'instruction.
M. Germanos avait abandonné le dossier, se déclarant incompétent dans une affaire qui concerne l'Église catholique, lit-on sur Internet.
Les personnes accusées dont les noms sont cités par l'Agence nationale d'information (Ani-officielle) sont Céleste Akiki, Mario Akiki, Marlène Ghanem, Myrna Azar Haddad, Christiane Boulos Bontemps et Raymonda Maalouf.


Ces témoins doivent répondre, comme acteurs, complices ou instigateurs, des chefs d'accusation suivants : faux témoignage, incitation à faux témoignage, connivence, menaces, diffamation, diffusion de documents privés, falsification et association de malfaiteurs.
Par contre, M. Hakim a laissé à la compétence des tribunaux italiens et français le soin d'interroger les témoins étrangers soupçonnés d'instigation ou de connivence dans cette affaire par les avocats du P. Labaki.
L'affaire remonte à plus de trois ans. Condamné pour « crimes sexuels sur mineures » par la Congrégation pour la doctrine de la foi, le P. Mansour Labaky s'était plaint du caractère expéditif de la procédure de défense, qu'il avait décidé, d'abord, d'assurer tout seul. Tous les efforts pour obtenir la révision du jugement s'étaient avérés vains. Son dossier avait même été transmis par le patriarche Béchara Raï au pape François. Mais, selon des canonistes cités dans cette affaire sur les réseaux sociaux, « même le pape ne pouvait juridiquement revenir sur cette condamnation et casser la décision d'un tribunal romain ».



Rebondissement spectaculaire
Toutefois, l'affaire avait connu un rebondissement voici deux ans, avec la transmission au P. Mansour Labaki de 2 000 courriels électroniques obtenus par piratage par un homme indigné de ce qu'il a jugé comme une injustice inacceptable. Un « Labaki leaks » en bonne et due forme. Son avocat s'en était saisi. Ces échanges, dont l'authenticité ne semble pas faire de doute, pourraient apporter des preuves inédites dans cette affaire, établissant notamment l'inexistence des crimes imputés et le caractère diffamatoire des accusations. Pour le moins, elles jettent un doute sérieux sur la crédibilité de ces accusations lancées contre un prêtre connu pour son action en faveur de l'enfance en détresse, dont la réputation avait été irrémédiablement compromise, sans recours possible. En tout cas, le parquet général du Mont-Liban et la chambre de mise en accusation ont jugé ces contre-accusations suffisamment sérieuses pour justifier la poursuite de l'enquête.



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Jorje

Legendary Member
I don't even think it has some influence; because, it is known that rape has nothing to do with sex, or sexual frustration, and everything to do with control.

As for what I think is the cause regarding the clergy...it's just a matter of probability. If you have X% of pedophiles in the general population, it is inevitable that you will find some of them in any random group that you choose to focus on.

The percentage of pedophiles in the clergy being lower than the percentage of pedophiles in the general population is, actually, a positive point for the clergy, as an institution.

What would be interesting is to look at other groups, perhaps teachers and the like, whose percentage of pedophiles might be even less than the percentage in the clergy. And, if so, to implement similar selection processes in the clergy so that the institution's ratings regarding this issue can go from "good" to "excellent."

I am not sure from where you have that information. If indeed 2% is a conservative estimate given by the Pope, then the % of pedophiles within the church is probably higher than that of the general population.

In any case, abstinence and celibacy have nothing to do with it. It's more likely that pedophiles seek the Clergy rather than be transformed into it.
 
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joseph_lubnan

Legendary Member
You're bordering on personal harassment here

I disagree but who knows perhaps :) my comment is meant to open the angle in this discussion on whether he should be subject to Lebanese laws or Italian and French laws and should he be extradited to Europe. And I wanted to check in with Indie on how she felt about the issue in light of her strong feelings on similar matters in the other thread. Fair enough?
 

Dynasty

New Member
Actually, it has nothing to do with that.

The percentage of pedophiles / rapists in the general population is higher than in the clergy.
Seriously !!! ... Maskhara !!

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Indie

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I am not sure from where you have that information. If indeed 2% is a conservative estimate given by the Pope, then the % of pedophiles within the church is probably higher than that of the general population.

Multiple university professors / researchers state so in various academic papers, as well as a study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, in the U.S. And it has even been published in mainstream sources such as these ones (and there are more if you look online).

Six important points you don't hear about regarding clergy sexual abuse in the Catholic Church | Psychology Today

Five myths about the Catholic sexual abuse scandal
 

joseph_lubnan

Legendary Member
I don't have a habit of making claims out of thin air. I have sources to back my statements. Do you?

Oh wait...you have yet to make a statement.

Even those who have researched this say there is no real accurate measurement of that percentage in the population and admit that their research has many caveats. And since there is not enough transparency in the church one cannot trust any of their figures. Even if the results of these surveys are correct, I do not think the church can be trusted with their 2%figure. No one knows for sure.

What we know is that one priest child molester is one too many and that the church had not and continues not to address this issue adequately and with enough transparency and accountability.

Have you looked if someone tweeted recently on the topic? :) there are some sources there :)
 
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