October 17 Revolution

What do you think will happen next, after Hariri's resignation?

  • Stalemate - No govt will be formed

    Votes: 40 51.3%
  • New mini-government of specialists will be formed in less than 10 days

    Votes: 20 25.6%
  • Similar government with Hariri PM again

    Votes: 15 19.2%
  • Civil War

    Votes: 22 28.2%

  • Total voters
    78
Joe tayyar

Joe tayyar

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They need to sacrifice and sit it out

دللناهم to the max
We covered for their operations domestically and abroad
We changed our foreign policies
We let go of the west and gulf
We ate the sanctions
Banks went bankru
We went bankrupt and now the people are starving

If they’re not willing to sacrifice, then a ballsy PM need to form a government whether they liked it or not
I dont think that the international community have problem with berri, they can have the shiaa share in the gvt through berri! But I doubt.
 
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  • !Aoune32

    !Aoune32

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    We decided on a neutral foreign policy. The west and gulf want us to fight each other and let go of our national unity.

    The west and gulf won’t let us focus on our national unity. We want to be good with everyone. They won’t accept that. They want us to start a fight with a large segment of our nation. For whose gain ?
    You are forgetting something buddy. Due to HA and its policies the West are placing sanctions which have affected alot of people in the country. What has HA actually achieved in the executive branch? Let them go out of the executive branch.
     
    leb-wi-noss

    leb-wi-noss

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    It's clear to me that LF and FPM switched places. I used to always hear LF are 3onsoriyyi and isolationist, but since 2005 they've been replaced by FPM. FPM has had no qualms in attacking different sects for political gain (and then completely forgot those attacks when it suited them politically). Now they do the same with LGBT community, who are nothing more than a defenseless tiny minority in Lebanon, whose rights are not guaranteed after being physically assaulted, and in many cases they end up verbally abused by police and socially stigmatized.
    And they used to brag that they are the educated among the christians and LF are zouzou ebba. There VIPs who goes on TVs are trashier than trash.
     
    Apostate

    Apostate

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    You are forgetting something buddy. Due to HA and its policies the West are placing sanctions which have affected alot of people in the country. What has HA actually achieved in the executive branch? Let them go out of the executive branch.
    HA should be out of political scheme all together.
    Let them decide, are they a political party or islamic resistance.
    They can't be both and cash out on their military actions internally.
     
    !Aoune32

    !Aoune32

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    HA should be out of political scheme all together.
    Let them decide, are they a political party or islamic resistance.
    They can't be both and cash out on their military actions internally.
    Yep there needs to be a solution to HAs arms but we need to be careful. careful of the western community. NO Refugee is to be naturalised. If they think they can naturalise the syrians or the palos that are left here they have another thing coming. this is our issue and WE are the one's who should solve it. Nothing good has ever come from foreign intervention.
     
    Joe tayyar

    Joe tayyar

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    HA should be out of political scheme all together.
    Let them decide, are they a political party or islamic resistance.
    They can't be both and cash out on their military actions internally.
    Before the assassination of Rafic Hariri, HA never entered any gvt there was a good relation between both, protecting each other.
    After Hariri death, HA felt alone and all were against them, in their mindset they needed to get involved in the gvt to get their own political cover!
     
    Apostate

    Apostate

    Your will, my hands.
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    Yep there needs to be a solution to HAs arms but we need to be careful. careful of the western community. NO Refugee is to be naturalised. If they think they can naturalise the syrians or the palos that are left here they have another thing coming. this is our issue and WE are the one's who should solve it. Nothing good has ever come from foreign intervention.
    For the meantime, I don't give a sh*t about their arms... as long as its directed south and no offensive operations taken without approval of government,and not against any lebanese, they can keep it... (defensive operations don't need approval obviously, in case of Israeli attack).

    Edit: also of course, no naturalization is ever accepted. over our bodies.
    Lebanon is for the lebanese only.
     
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    Resign

    Resign

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    Before the assassination of Rafic Hariri, HA never entered any gvt there was a good relation between both, protecting each other.
    After Hariri death, HA felt alone and all were against them, in their mindset they needed to get involved in the gvt to get their own political cover!
    Let them have the south
    Make it Hezbollahstan.. and let them run it

    would Berri agree ?
    I’m sure everyone else would
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    They need to sacrifice and sit it out

    دللناهم to the max
    We covered for their operations domestically and abroad
    We changed our foreign policies
    We let go of the west and gulf
    We ate the sanctions
    Banks went bankru
    We went bankrupt and now the people are starving

    If they’re not willing to sacrifice, then a ballsy PM need to form a government whether they liked it or not
    The biggest negative effective to our economy has been the Syrian war, which our outgoing PM el mdallal contributed in fomenting, along with his internal and external allies. Before the Syrian war erupted, our economy was growing. There was stability, no refugees in the millions and (there was) cross border trade that saw our agricultural produce reach the Gulf by road.
     
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    Resign

    Resign

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    The biggest negative effective to our economy has been the Syrian war, which our outgoing PM el mdallal contributed in fomenting, along with his internal and external allies. Before the Syrian war erupted, our economy was growing. There was stability, no refugees in the millions and cross border trade that saw our agricultural produce reach the Gulf by road.
    How much are we spending on refugees annually ?
    I think Lebanon spent around 9B since 2011

    that’s not catastrophic and doesn’t bankrupt a country
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Let them have the south
    Make it Hezbollahstan.. and let them run it

    would Berri agree ?
    I’m sure everyone else would
    Hezballah is not going anywhere. It is not disappearing and it is not going to be isolated or contained. Get used to that.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    How much are we spending on refugees annually ?
    I think Lebanon spent around 9B since 2011

    that’s not catastrophic and doesn’t bankrupt a country
    Oh yes, 9bn is nothing because we have a trillion dollar economy. Besides, what of all the jobs the Syrians take up? Do you realize they remit foreign currency (mainly USD) to Syria? What of other nationalities who remit USD to their countries? If you check, they also amount to billions of dollars.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    I’d say f*ck it
    Let’s go to war
    We all know that the HA question will never be resolved without war
    It was meant to happen and we were only buying time which we ran out of
    Who do you want to fight?
     
    Resign

    Resign

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    Oh yes, 9bn is nothing because we have a trillion dollar economy. Besides, what of all the jobs the Syrians take up? Do you realize they remit foreign currency (mainly USD) to Syria? What of other nationalities who remit USD to their countries? If you check, they also amount to billions of dollars.
    It’s a combination of lots of factors
    Yes the refugees crisis did contribute but it’s not everything

    Yes we had huge growth in 2008-2010 mainly due to the money that poured into the country due to the worldwide recession
    Banks were going bankrupt expats moved their assets to Lebanese banks
    That was very circumstantial, we weren’t producing anything, it wasn’t magic that our growth rate went up.
    However after the Hezbollah involvement in Syria ON TOP of the refugees crisis, Gulf and west vetoed us. Investments stopped flowing
    And on top of that our banks faced sanctions

    We’re a country that heavily relies on foreign transfers and investments since we produce nothing

    Yes 9B over 9 years even for a country like Lebanon is nothing
    That’s 1/3 of our armies budget
    And would not in a way bankrupt a country and starve its people

    the 9B was a figure announced by the President last year, so say 10B now
    And that figure does include the money sent to Syria
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    Hariri maghloub 3a amro, hes been told that if he want to be a PM, you need to kick out HA and its allies. Thats why he is escaping. And thats why HA and berri wants him a PM.
    If Hariri or any political figure is going to head the new govt, then all the political parties, especially HA and FPM, will be in.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    It’s a combination of lots of factors
    Yes the refugees crisis did contribute but it’s not everything

    Yes we had huge growth in 2008-2010 mainly due to the money that poured into the country due to the worldwide recession
    Banks were going bankrupt expats moved their assets to Lebanese banks
    That was a very circumstantial.
    However after the Hezbollah involvement in Syria ON TOP of the refugees crisis, Gulf and west vetoed us. Investments stopped flowing
    And on top of that our banks faced sanctions

    We’re a country that heavily relies on foreign transfers and investments since we produce nothing

    Yes 9B even for a country like Lebanon or nothing
    That’s 1/3 of our armies budget
    And would not in a way bankrupt a country and starve its people

    the 9B was a figure announced by the President last year, so say 10B now
    And that figure does include the money sent to Syria
    Hezballah couldn't have gotten involved in Syria if there was no war created in and imposed on Syria and that was knocking on our doorsteps. Takfiri hordes were roaming Syria and promising to pay us a visit once they were done with Bashar. Dont ever forget that. If Damascus and Baghdad were going to fall, Beirut would have fallen too and Baghdadi could have had an office in Downtown or maybe in Ashrafiyyeh, after he kicks the @$$e$ of the "crusaders". If you think that was farfetched, then you haven't learnt anything from what happened in Iraq with the Shia, who form a majority, and also with minorities like the Yazidis.
     
    Rafidi

    Rafidi

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    I dont think that the international community have problem with berri, they can have the shiaa share in the gvt through berri! But I doubt.
    The international community would have no problem with anybody. Don't forget Azerbaijan is a Shia majority European country at the doorstep of Iran. But does any western govt have a problem with Azeris because majority of them are Shia and cry for Imam Hussein? You can cry all you like for Imam Hussein, as far as those tears dont translate to anything like standing against oppression, injustice, tyranny etc. The point is not about what religion you're from. There are certain issues, like naturalization, which the west want to settle in Lebanon and eventually to pave way for normalization of ties with Israehell. The Israehelli method for making peace is always a case of imposing their terms in what would make peace look like surrender and defeat. Why move the Palestinians from Lebanon, if naturalizing them is the cheaper route to peace? But they dont see that naturalizing them is a recipe for more war and turmoil. Which stupid Lebanese Shia or stupid Lebanese Christian would want half a million Palestinians become Lebanese? It isn't going to happen even if they remain in Lebanon stateless up to the seventh generation.
     
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