October 17 Revolution

What do you think will happen next, after Hariri's resignation?

  • Stalemate - No govt will be formed

    Votes: 40 51.3%
  • New mini-government of specialists will be formed in less than 10 days

    Votes: 20 25.6%
  • Similar government with Hariri PM again

    Votes: 15 19.2%
  • Civil War

    Votes: 22 28.2%

  • Total voters
    78
Jorje

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thats what they were saying in the video no?? and then on TV there were some pretty x rated words about Bassil again... i wouldn't make that up buddy... i thought you were smarter than that Jorje....

and just fyi, there was even a DECENT protester who jumped in, took the mic, and apologized from Bassil for the swear words, and said the chants and curses do not represent the protester. or maybe, you know him to be smarter as well?

wow.. so much passive aggressiveness in 2 posts.. let's move on and discuss as adults now 😜
You said "only Bassil". Where did you hear only Bassil and how did you reach that conclusion?

I am being the adult here. They insulted Bassil, yes but I guess you somehow managed to miss that tomorrow's whole protest is against Hariri :). So kif wselt to "only"?
 
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    Ma 3ada Bassil. Bassil sar tha2er, mennoun ye3ni mennoun :)
    Ma fi ahdam minou looooool
    mesh 100% tha2er yet... he left the door ajar .. still! :) to be honest, i wish he had said, we're out, it was wrong to do this taswye, period. But instead he said IF hariri heads the government we dont want to be in it. So what if it's another unity government? will he be in again??
     
    loubnaniTO

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    You said "only Bassil". Where did you hear only Bassil and how did you reach that conclusion?

    I am being the adult here. They insulted Bassil, yes but I guess you somehow managed to miss that tomorrow's whole protest is against Hariri :). So kif wselt to "only"?
    once again, i was talking about "THESE PROTESTERS" and not the whole revolution, i saw them on TV, and that's all they were chanting.. and NOTHING about hariri.. later on, i saw an announcement about an anti-hariri protest tomorrow. But today, this group of protesters were only chatting about ONE person, and i wondered why... if you don't see anything wrong with it, it's ok...
     
    vicking

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    You said "only Bassil". Where did you hear only Bassil and how did you reach that conclusion?

    I am being the adult here. They insulted Bassil, yes but I guess you somehow managed to miss that tomorrow's whole protest is against Hariri :). So kif wselt to "only"?
    They are protecting the Corrupts like Hariri, Seniora, El Hout, Ogero, Mea, etc. But only focusing on Christian leaders who are very clean. None of our leader is a Billionaire and Hariri stole people money starting with SOLIDERE!!!

    These people are very sectarian, they barely wanted a Christmas Tree in Tripoli and go and find me alcool anywhere in Tripoli

    As I said before, FPM is very strong and we can also mobilize people on the streets insulting Hariri and whomever we want but for now we are quiet... Let's No-one think that we lost or are out, we are out on our terms just few months until next elections that we would this time have a absolute majority
     
    loubnaniTO

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    Stop it seab. Some tried voicing concerns against Berri and hizbulah. We all know how it ended.

    Bassil got no spine. Easy, safe target
    so true.. can u imagine if the hela hela ho was about SHN? or Berri? or Hariri? LOL bisir majezir!
     
    !Aoune32

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    They are protecting the Corrupts like Hariri, Seniora, El Hout, Ogero, Mea, etc. But only focusing on Christian leaders who are very clean. None of our leader is a Billionaire and Hariri stole people money starting with SOLIDERE!!!

    These people are very sectarian, they barely wanted a Christmas Tree in Tripoli and go and find me alcool anywhere in Tripoli

    As I said before, FPM is very strong and we can also mobilize people on the streets insulting Hariri and whomever we want but for now we are quiet... Let's No-one think that we lost or are out, we are out on our terms just few months until next elections that we would this time have a absolute majority
    The sectarian people are ones like you who think you are special to those that are in Tripoli. ill tell you something you arent.
    you know nothing about Tripoli so dont give us these posts.

    barely have a christmas tree? that isnt correct and a christmas tree is placed every year.


    second, there are alcohol shops all over El Mina. Third we know you hate Tripoli but there is a heavy christian presence in the city even if only 15-20%. the christians bel atraf dont need you to speak to them. we speak for ourselves. claiming people are sectarians and your whole post is sectarian. zaman!
     
    loubnaniTO

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    مصادر الثنائي الشيعي لـ"الشرق الاوسط": الإصرار على الحريري ليس إيماناً بمشروعه إنما إصراراً منا على وجوب أن يتحمل كما نحن مسؤولية الأوضاع التي نحن فيها اليوم

    so in other words, we would love to keep the status quo, cause we all created it...
     
    Republican

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    Monday is in 24 hours... Want to bet?
    Yes. He's not coming back, if he does get the PM post the numbers will quadruple on the streets and the country will freeze and violence will ensue. The uprising brought him down, the uprising will never get him back. The IMF plan of extreme austerity and total privatization of our national institutions and the accumulation of more debt is something that the great majority of Lebanese will not accept, regardless of their sects/religions/political orientation etc.
    Mesh ha nedfa3 more money, that's what hariri sr. brought to our country and that's what his son want to repeat again, ma bade edfa3.
     
    Dark Angel

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    Stop it seab. Some tried voicing concerns against Berri and hizbulah. We all know how it ended.

    Bassil got no spine. Easy, safe target
    this is part of the problem, it is not simply that FPM ma 3indo ze3ran, FPM has a radical stand against ze3ran, so when the time comes in Lebanon, and it always does, when they are needed, the result is what we are witnessing today. most of the people who support tayyar do so because they reject hayde el za3ranet, and have seen enough of it during the civil war to reject it once and for all. FPM is no match for these people in confrontations, but the people and the parties who were encouraging these acts and blocking the roads, at least in mount Lebanon, will pay a very heavy electoral price. the sympathy for the president and for bassil is impressive, despite the non stop hissing of the media.
     
    Republican

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    مصادر الثنائي الشيعي لـ"الشرق الاوسط": الإصرار على الحريري ليس إيماناً بمشروعه إنما إصراراً منا على وجوب أن يتحمل كما نحن مسؤولية الأوضاع التي نحن فيها اليوم

    so in other words, we would love to keep the status quo, cause we all created it...
    HA talking to a saudi rag paper? no that's Berri speaking not the "Thuna2i"
     
    Dark Angel

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    Yes. He's not coming back, if he does get the PM post the numbers will quadruple on the streets and the country will freeze and violence will ensue. The uprising brought him down, the uprising will never get him back. The IMF plan of extreme austerity and total privatization of our national institutions and the accumulation of more debt is something that the great majority of Lebanese will not accept, regardless of their sects/religions/political orientation etc.
    Mesh ha nedfa3 more money, that's what hariri sr. brought to our country and that's what his son want to repeat again, ma bade edfa3.
    you are mistaken about one thing, the people are not hitting the streets spontaneously despite all the appearances, it is all orchestrated with the media. if the local media stations withdraw their cameras and crews and stop inciting the mass protests, it will be as if nothing happens, even if ten times the numbers hit the streets protesting. and they can simply by changing their covering mode, nullify the impact. with very few exceptions, the major media stations are not simply covering the events at the moment, they are rather a principal component in making them, i strongly doubt they will raise any protests if hariri is to be back as prime minister.

    to give you an example, and this is rather a very tame one, consider the difference live coverage makes between these two stances:
    الثوار ما زالوا يتوافدون لرفض الظلم والعدد يرتفع
    بضعة أشخاص تجمعوا رافضين قرار القضاء
     
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    Genius

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    this is part of the problem, it is not simply that FPM ma 3indo ze3ran, FPM has a radical stand against ze3ran, so when the time comes in Lebanon, and it always does, when they are needed, the result is what we are witnessing today. most of the people who support tayyar do so because they reject hayde el za3ranet, and have seen enough of it during the civil war to reject it once and for all. FPM is no match for these people in confrontations, but the people and the parties who were encouraging these acts and blocking the roads, at least in mount Lebanon, will pay a very heavy electoral price. the sympathy for the president and for bassil is impressive, despite the non stop hissing of the media.
    I agree, this revolution is fake except for a very small minority in the streets.
    It s clearly politically fueled mainly against HA however the target became quickly HAs allies, the weak FPMers.
    Where I disagree with you, is leverage through elections and popularity. This metric does not apply to lebanon, the system is broken and needs an overhaul.
    The constitution needs to be written either in progressive visions or partition now. I hope FPMers realize the danger of the duo.
     
    JB81

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    مصادر الثنائي الشيعي لـ"الشرق الاوسط": الإصرار على الحريري ليس إيماناً بمشروعه إنما إصراراً منا على وجوب أن يتحمل كما نحن مسؤولية الأوضاع التي نحن فيها اليوم

    so in other words, we would love to keep the status quo, cause we all created it...
    Mabrouk la Lebnen
     
    Robin Hood

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    Can we nominate the French or the Syrians to reoccupy us?
     
    NiceV

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    Dark Angel

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    I agree, this revolution is fake except for a very small minority in the streets.
    It s clearly politically fueled mainly against HA however the target became quickly HAs allies, the weak FPMers.
    Where I disagree with you, is leverage through elections and popularity. This metric does not apply to lebanon, the system is broken and needs an overhaul.
    The constitution needs to be written either in progressive visions or partition now. I hope FPMers realize the danger of the duo.
    it is like a tall building overlooking a complicated scene, the view changes with every floor you climb. the media and the parties want you stay on the ground level. but the higher you climb, the better you will be able to see. but that also comes with its own set of questions.

    for instance, at some level it is very obvious that FPM is really pissed with HA. they no longer wish to play the buffer role for free, in particular when there was no reciprocation nor support in critical and pivotal government situations. it is not simply that there was no support, in many cases FPM projects were hindered by what the base now refers to as the "thuna2i", as HA's silence and passivity towards these issues was very damaging. at best, i want to say it was a bad calculation from HA, not sure why they worked so hard to weaken their Christian ally, which was very evident in the previous elections as well, all the nasty deputies who stood against tayyar were sponsored by nabih birri, not to mention the constant media attacks for years against bassil.

    so now they can no longer ask FPM to play the buffer role at the expense of our own interests, in particular in the light of the existential threats we are facing in the region. we have honored our agreements with both hariri and HA and didn't back stab anyone.

    so back to that building, it also seems that at some level, it may appear as though both HA and Hariri hold each other's interests more dearly than either of them hold the president's or FPM, or even the Christian interests, despite the fact that a buffer zone is needed more than ever to prevent sunni/shiite clashes. this is one of the reasons why bassil and even the president no longer want to be part of this game when it is always played at their expense. they're not coming back to the government without serious changes and guarantees, and lip service doesn't cut it anymore.
     
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    لا تأجيل للاستشارات.. والرئيس عون على موقفه: لحكومة تكنوسياسية
    أخبار محليّة - الأحد 15 كانون الأول 2019 - 06:34 -

    أكدت مصادر الرئاسة لصحيفة "الشرق الأوسط" أنه ليس هناك من تأجيل للاستشارات النيابية، مشيرة في الوقت عينه إلى أن الرئيس ميشال عون لا يزال عند موقفه لجهة شكل الحكومة التي يرى أنه يفترض أن تكون تكنوسياسية، حيث إن الحاجة ضرورية للغطاء السياسي لأي قرار قد تتخذه وللقيام بمسؤولياتها، وهو ما لا يمكن تأمينه.
    وجددت المصادر موقف عون السابق لجهة مشاركة الحراك الشعبي، وقالت: "لكن المشكلة في اختيار من يمثل هؤلاء، وهو أحد الأسباب التي قد تؤخر عملية التأليف، إضافة إلى المماحكات التقليدية والمتوقعة بين الفرقاء"​

    i still don't understand the "ghata2 el syeseh" idea.. so if they add 3-4 politically affiliated ministers, the government becomes acceptable to the majority of parliament? i can understand a couple of portfolios need to be political (like ministry of foreign affairs), but why can't parliament monitor the work of the government and support it if it does a good job.. We've had governments politically supported by parliament, and we've seen the results!

    and then please! if we want the 7irak to be represented, are we going to sit around and wait for "them" to present names? when we all know the revolution is not unified and does not have representatives? we all see the professionals who are supporting the revolution on TVs.. cant we pick a few names?
     
    Genius

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    it is like a tall building overlooking a complicated scene, the view changes with every floor you climb. the media and the parties want you stay on the ground level. but the higher you climb, the better you will be able to see. but that also comes with its own set of questions.

    for instance, at some level it is very obvious that FPM is really pissed with HA. they no longer wish to play the buffer role for free, in particular when there was no reciprocation nor support in critical and pivotal government situations. it is not simply that there was no support, in many cases FPM projects were hindered by what the base now refers to as the "thuna2i", as HA's silence and passivity towards these issues was very damaging. at best, i want to say it was a bad calculation from HA, not sure why they worked so hard to weaken their Christian ally, which was very evident in the previous elections as well, all the nasty deputies who stood against tayyar were sponsored by nabih birri, not to mention the constant media attacks for years against bassil.

    so now they can no longer ask FPM to play the buffer between the sunnis and the shiites at the expense of our own interests, in particular in the light of the existential threats we are facing in the region. we have honored our agreements with both hariri and HA and didn't back stab anyone.

    so back to that building, it seems that at some level, it may appear as though both HA and Hariri hold each other's interests more dearly than either of them hold the president's or FPM, or even the Christian interests, despite the fact that a buffer zone is needed more than ever to protect their more important interests. this is one of the reasons why bassil and even the president no longer want to be part of this game when at it is always played at their expense. they're not coming back to the government without serious changes and guarantees, and lip service doesn't cut it anymore.
    I agree to most of your assessment.

    However the short sightness of FPM, their internal broken processes, the glaring practice against their original principles, made me and many people leave ship.

    I think aoun is a good man but FPM is not skilled for the job.
     
    Genius

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    لا تأجيل للاستشارات.. والرئيس عون على موقفه: لحكومة تكنوسياسية
    أخبار محليّة - الأحد 15 كانون الأول 2019 - 06:34 -

    أكدت مصادر الرئاسة لصحيفة "الشرق الأوسط" أنه ليس هناك من تأجيل للاستشارات النيابية، مشيرة في الوقت عينه إلى أن الرئيس ميشال عون لا يزال عند موقفه لجهة شكل الحكومة التي يرى أنه يفترض أن تكون تكنوسياسية، حيث إن الحاجة ضرورية للغطاء السياسي لأي قرار قد تتخذه وللقيام بمسؤولياتها، وهو ما لا يمكن تأمينه.
    وجددت المصادر موقف عون السابق لجهة مشاركة الحراك الشعبي، وقالت: "لكن المشكلة في اختيار من يمثل هؤلاء، وهو أحد الأسباب التي قد تؤخر عملية التأليف، إضافة إلى المماحكات التقليدية والمتوقعة بين الفرقاء"​

    i still don't understand the "ghata2 el syeseh" idea.. so if they add 3-4 politically affiliated ministers, the government becomes acceptable to the majority of parliament? i can understand a couple of portfolios need to be political (like ministry of foreign affairs), but why can't parliament monitor the work of the government and support it if it does a good job.. We've had governments politically supported by parliament, and we've seen the results!

    and then please! if we want the 7irak to be represented, are we going to sit around and wait for "them" to present names? when we all know the revolution is not unified and does not have representatives? we all see the professionals who are supporting the revolution on TVs.. cant we pick a few names?
    Adding oil to the fire. Wrong decision again

    Who the hell is advising him. HA?
     
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