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October 17 Revolution

What do you think will happen next, after Hariri's resignation?

  • Stalemate - No govt will be formed

    Votes: 40 50.6%
  • New mini-government of specialists will be formed in less than 10 days

    Votes: 20 25.3%
  • Similar government with Hariri PM again

    Votes: 15 19.0%
  • Civil War

    Votes: 23 29.1%

  • Total voters
    79
dyyyy

dyyyy

Well-Known Member
Hi Guys.. I wanted to say this for the past week... just couldn't find the time and the way I express myself in a right way.

I have Few things to say.

1- If you remember me in the beginning of the revolution I said we have until April... After that the sawra will start to fade.

2- If you remember me I said after April we will be in a better position as a country. Danger seems to go away for now.

3- I feel President Michel Aoun will be in his chair until he dies. It seems the Presidential Palace is the door to his new life, which I believe may be in the late part of his term .. (Could be 2 or 2.5 years or 1-1.5 years from now.) He will be known as a great man and he will be known he in his days his battles and his efforts were the reason for the extraction of the Oil.

4-President Michel Aoun in general is a good person in his heart, even if he did great mistakes, even with those mistakes we are really really better then the alternative realities we could had.

5- I think the country is safe again. We still have few problems until around October November December, but the real Major evil forces are being minimized.

6- The choice Michel Aoun took with Gebran Bassil to have the French as the primary Oil extractors will protect our country for a good amount of time. (And it did already the evil forces were preparing much more damage to our country.)

7- I still feel Nabih Berri ending his term in an unusual way.

In General the world will have a positive shift before the end of the year, good energies will flow making 2021 a better year .
The country is safe ?!?! What is your definition of safe ?
our deposits in LL are becoming useless, the LL is heading towards 3000.
we still can't touch our deposits in USD and there are talks of forcing us to convert them to LL at the rate of 1515, meaning there is a plan of simply taking 60% of our money just like that.

Do you live in lebanon ?
Did you go lately to the supermarket or try to fix something for your car to know really how things are ?
 
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    Ralph N

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    The country is safe ?!?! What is your definition of safe ?
    our deposits in LL are becoming useless, the LL is heading towards 3000.
    we still can't touch our deposits in USD and there are talks of forcing us to convert them to LL at the rate of 1515, meaning there is a plan of simply taking 60% of our money just like that.

    Do you live in lebanon ?
    Did you go lately to the supermarket or try to fix something for your car to know really how things are ?
    I am afraid things will be smooth in the future. We may lose few things but it will not head to total collapse.. Help is coming..
     
    Orangina

    Orangina

    Legendary Member
    The country is safe ?!?! What is your definition of safe ?
    our deposits in LL are becoming useless, the LL is heading towards 3000.
    we still can't touch our deposits in USD and there are talks of forcing us to convert them to LL at the rate of 1515, meaning there is a plan of simply taking 60% of our money just like that.

    Do you live in lebanon ?
    Did you go lately to the supermarket or try to fix something for your car to know really how things are ?
    ما بقى تشتري بضاعة مستوردة... شجع الوطني

    بتخف الفاتورة
     
    Orangina

    Orangina

    Legendary Member
    The country is safe ?!?! What is your definition of safe ?
    our deposits in LL are becoming useless, the LL is heading towards 3000.
    we still can't touch our deposits in USD and there are talks of forcing us to convert them to LL at the rate of 1515, meaning there is a plan of simply taking 60% of our money just like that.

    Do you live in lebanon ?
    Did you go lately to the supermarket or try to fix something for your car to know really how things are ?
     
    Steven Gerrard

    Steven Gerrard

    Member
    I am afraid things will be smooth in the future. We may lose few things but it will not head to total collapse.. Help is coming..
    Help? you mean more debt and more austerity measures just to keep corruption again.

    You know, I agree with Nassim Nicholas Taleb that the only way for us to have a better future is not putting paper over the crack or fix a non fixable car. Let everything sink and start again. Yes, it means we suffer at the beginning (including me, I lose my savings) but future will be brighter because we take control of our production instead of relying on imports and maybe, just maybe we can use the swiss model and let mo7afazat run as cantons or small federal governments (everything decentralized) and the state's job is just collecting taxes and overseeing if everyone is following the rules.

    Inflation has begun and our poverty rate in Lebanon will increase because of Riad Salemeh's 24 year old decision to peg the USD to LBP and 7adr masareh.
     
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    Ralph N

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    Help? you mean more debt and more austerity measures just to keep corruption again.

    You know, I agree with Nassim Nicholas Taleb that the only way for us to have a better future is not putting paper over the crack or fix a non fixable car. Let everything sink and start again. Yes, it means we suffer at the beginning (including me, I lose my savings) but future will be brighter because we take control of our production instead of relying on imports and maybe, just maybe we can use the swiss model and let mo7afazat run as cantons or small federal governments (everything decentralized) and the state's job is just collecting taxes and overseeing if everyone is following the rules.

    Inflation has begun and our poverty rate in Lebanon will increase because of Riad Salemeh's 24 year old decision to peg the USD to LBP and 7adr masareh.
    And you think they will allow you to start fresh? you think its that simple? the people who planned this know very well what they are doing and they have the means force power and everything to do what they do.. Thank God Michel Aoun is extracting the Oil our only hope.
     
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    Ralph N

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    Help? you mean more debt and more austerity measures just to keep corruption again.

    You know, I agree with Nassim Nicholas Taleb that the only way for us to have a better future is not putting paper over the crack or fix a non fixable car. Let everything sink and start again. Yes, it means we suffer at the beginning (including me, I lose my savings) but future will be brighter because we take control of our production instead of relying on imports and maybe, just maybe we can use the swiss model and let mo7afazat run as cantons or small federal governments (everything decentralized) and the state's job is just collecting taxes and overseeing if everyone is following the rules.

    Inflation has begun and our poverty rate in Lebanon will increase because of Riad Salemeh's 24 year old decision to peg the USD to LBP and 7adr masareh.
    My insight doesnt tell me for now the method of the help.... I only feel it..
     
    Steven Gerrard

    Steven Gerrard

    Member
    And you think they will allow you to start fresh? you think its that simple? the people who planned this know very well what they are doing and they have the means force power and everything to do what they do.. Thank God Michel Aoun is extracting the Oil our only hope.
    Ya habibi, people will turn on their masters when the prices will inflate because all public employees (basically people who are in political parties) earn in LBP.

    if you let everything burn or sink, bibattel 3endak Michel Aoun, Hariri, Berri, Bassil, killo.

    extracting oil will not change a thing as long as the 2a7zeb are corrupt or protecting corruption will stay in power.

    insa, balad has no hope if you believe the likes in power want to fight corruption or change.
     
    The_FPMer

    The_FPMer

    Active Member
    Ya habibi, people will turn on their masters when the prices will inflate because all public employees (basically people who are in political parties) earn in LBP.

    if you let everything burn or sink, bibattel 3endak Michel Aoun, Hariri, Berri, Bassil, killo.

    extracting oil will not change a thing as long as the 2a7zeb are corrupt or protecting corruption will stay in power.

    insa, balad has no hope if you believe the likes in power want to fight corruption or change.
    I'm not sure that's a good scenario for the Lebanese. How will you able to control the chaos when everything falls apart? Zou3ama will lose lots of support but they will always have armed dogs ready to die for them. How will you able to offset that?
     
    HannaTheCrusader

    HannaTheCrusader

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    moutran al wasakkha
    and despite all SHE WON HER CASE


     
    Steven Gerrard

    Steven Gerrard

    Member
    I'm not sure that's a good scenario for the Lebanese. How will you able to control the chaos when everything falls apart? Zou3ama will lose lots of support but they will always have armed dogs ready to die for them. How will you able to offset that?
    Better to have some chaos than none. We are in a sinking ship so let it sink and let's build another ship. the armed dogs and zo3ama will fight each other and will be history. The whole 30 years of ''stability'' or trying to make the country stable has failed and the ones who stole money are found out. I know from friends who used to get help from Mikati for their university studies, now they are against him after they found out how much money he stole from the isken.

    I used to be against Federalism, I don't like it for a country like Lebanon. But now and after some thinking it would be a good idea and it will solve a lot of our problems, especially that I believe it will bring Lebanese people even closer together and hopefully we can discover our real true identity as being LEBANESE. Shia Lebanese, Sunni Lebanese, Maronite Lebanese, Druze Lebanese, etc... it's just beliefs that keeps us a part today but what makes us similar is so much more than our differences.
     
    Robin Hood

    Robin Hood

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    Orange Room Supporter
    The troika has militias and international cover so I doubt they are worried about a collapse. Heck, they probably want it because they will win any civil war. I think we are facing an internal conspiracy, make the country collapse and bring the IMF so they can sell the state to their cronies.
     
    The_FPMer

    The_FPMer

    Active Member
    Better to have some chaos than none. We are in a sinking ship so let it sink and let's build another ship. the armed dogs and zo3ama will fight each other and will be history. The whole 30 years of ''stability'' or trying to make the country stable has failed and the ones who stole money are found out. I know from friends who used to get help from Mikati for their university studies, now they are against him after they found out how much money he stole from the isken.

    I used to be against Federalism, I don't like it for a country like Lebanon. But now and after some thinking it would be a good idea and it will solve a lot of our problems, especially that I believe it will bring Lebanese people even closer together and hopefully we can discover our real true identity as being LEBANESE. Shia Lebanese, Sunni Lebanese, Maronite Lebanese, Druze Lebanese, etc... it's just beliefs that keeps us a part today but what makes us similar is so much more than our differences.
    What makes us similar?
     
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