October 17 Revolution

What do you think will happen next, after Hariri's resignation?

  • Stalemate - No govt will be formed

    Votes: 42 51.2%
  • New mini-government of specialists will be formed in less than 10 days

    Votes: 21 25.6%
  • Similar government with Hariri PM again

    Votes: 15 18.3%
  • Civil War

    Votes: 24 29.3%

  • Total voters
    82

JB81

Legendary Member
Kif ya3ne last days? They are still popular in their own sects and have the means to quell any opposition to them.

Look where were they in 2005; 35 mps FM ---> 18 today... Joumblat 15-----> 5 mps today.

As long as FPM stays strong, they will be doomed. They strive on weak Christian parties; they inflate their size with Christian minions

FPM is making sure that every Christian post in the state is named by Christian parties. This is very important to curb their inflated political power at Christian cost.

You know how many supporters is Berri losing because President Aoun is refusing to sign and employ his loyalists? This is one way they are keeping power, using the state for services to keep loyalists

We have to beat them where they were strong. It was by expanding their political power at Christian cost share.

Beat them there... they will become weaker by the year.

Stay strong FPM so they stand in their face. Without FPM, I agree with you. No hope to destroy this corrupt class
 

The_FPMer

Well-Known Member
Look where were they in 2005; 35 mps FM ---> 18 today... Joumblat 15-----> 5 mps today.

As long as FPM stays strong, they will be doomed. They strive on weak Christian parties; they inflate their size with Christian minions

FPM is making sure that every Christian post in the state is named by Christian parties. This is very important to curb their inflated political power at Christian cost.

You know how many supporters is Berri losing because President Aoun is refusing to sign and employ his loyalists? This is one way they are keeping power, using the state for services to keep loyalists

We have to beat them where they were strong. It was by expanding their political power at Christian cost share.

Beat them there... they will become weaker by the year.

Stay strong FPM so they stand in their face. Without FPM, I agree with you. No hope to destroy this corrupt class
Agreed but even there, they still have power within their sects.
 

Walidos

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
It was surely in vain. Look where the Christians are today, sinking with the rest while holding the rights you claimed you got.

When Diab came you alienated the Sunnah (Hariri/Mikati/Salam etc.. ). No one said a word about sunnah rights and played on this argument.

In any case, the Batrak and the rest of Christian parties are against your rhetoric.. it has no weight really
The batrak is not an elected official. The rest of the Christian parties are not far from this rhetoric, they are simply trying to reap political benefit from it by undermining the biggest party.
In all cases, as you said it, tit for tat cannot work, so it needs to stop.
 
I feel less safe with a 90 year old in Baabda controlled by an insecure greedy president wannabe
What a curse for Hariri and Berry - all their life, every time they want to steal they would face Aoun against them until his grave.
Look where were they in 2005; 35 mps FM ---> 18 today... Joumblat 15-----> 5 mps today.

As long as FPM stays strong, they will be doomed. They strive on weak Christian parties; they inflate their size with Christian minions

FPM is making sure that every Christian post in the state is named by Christian parties. This is very important to curb their inflated political power at Christian cost.

You know how many supporters is Berri losing because President Aoun is refusing to sign and employ his loyalists? This is one way they are keeping power, using the state for services to keep loyalists

We have to beat them where they were strong. It was by expanding their political power at Christian cost share.

Beat them there... they will become weaker by the year.

Stay strong FPM so they stand in their face. Without FPM, I agree with you. No hope to destroy this corrupt class
FPM supporters have money in comparison to theirs who depend completely on the State. Basically Lebanese Christians mainly are pumping cash to Lebanon as while we get educated, the others are stuck in hating us or Israel or eternal wars. Result is that they don’t have a penny. The minute - literally the minute - Christians stopped pumping cash to Lebanon, the country collapsed. Without Christians, Lebanon would be exactly like Yemen —

Christians created Lebanon and others always worked to destroy it. Whether we are not enough Arab, not enough Palestinian or now not enough Iranian - they achieved nothing since 30 years else than stealing us. Waaaw what an achievement!
 
It was surely in vain. Look where the Christians are today, sinking with the rest while holding the rights you claimed you got.

When Diab came you alienated the Sunnah (Hariri/Mikati/Salam etc.. ). No one said a word about sunnah rights and played on this argument.

In any case, the Batrak and the rest of Christian parties are against your rhetoric.. it has no weight really
You know who are the ancestors of Hariri ? The Mourabitoun. Their only objective was to kick out Christians from Lebanon. After 1990, Hariri start massively to steal Lebanon and Christians rights. We stopped that.
You keep defending Hariri because he is Sunna but don’t you care that the guy took ALL your and my cash ? He must be judged for high corruption. Stop thinking religion. I would vote for anyone CLEAN and for now it is only FPM
 

NewLeb

Member
What a curse for Hariri and Berry - all their life, every time they want to steal they would face Aoun against them until his grave.

FPM supporters have money in comparison to theirs who depend completely on the State. Basically Lebanese Christians mainly are pumping cash to Lebanon as while we get educated, the others are stuck in hating us or Israel or eternal wars. Result is that they don’t have a penny. The minute - literally the minute - Christians stopped pumping cash to Lebanon, the country collapsed. Without Christians, Lebanon would be exactly like Yemen —

Christians created Lebanon and others always worked to destroy it. Whether we are not enough Arab, not enough Palestinian or now not enough Iranian - they achieved nothing since 30 years else than stealing us. Waaaw what an achievement!

The downside of all this wealth and Western influence of course is that Lebanese Christians tend to have the same socio-economic issues that plague the West (heavy drug use, nihilism, high divorce rates, etc...).

Also, it’s telling that despite all this education and wealth, the Lebanese Christian commmunity has always seen its power and demographic shrinking. This is mainly because unlike their Muslim brethren (especially the Shiite), they aren’t well-versed in street-smarts. They can’t survive long without modern conveniences....
 
The downside of all this wealth and Western influence of course is that Lebanese Christians tend to have the same socio-economic issues that plague the West (heavy drug use, nihilism, high divorce rates, etc...).

Also, it’s telling that despite all this education and wealth, the Lebanese Christian commmunity has always seen its power and demographic shrinking. This is mainly because unlike their Muslim brethren (especially the Shiite), they aren’t well-versed in street-smarts. They can’t survive long without modern conveniences....
True, Christians after all follow the Bible. It is a BIG SIN to have enemies hence you won’t find any deep rooted hate towards Israelis or anyone as it is just against our religion to fight and keep walls.
Christians due to their education can’t be street workers all their lives - we invest in education and openess while other invest in wars and eternal hate.

nevertheless, Christians proved in the past that when needed we would go and fight but this will always be the last option ans against our religion which calls for brotherhood between Human beings and forgiveness
 

The_FPMer

Well-Known Member
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Weezy

Legendary Member
Lebanon reached it's bottom, it is the result of eliminating the Christian role from the governance since 1992; inflating a corrupted Trio class with their minions over a true Christian partnership

Christians from all backgrounds are going for more than asking for fair representation in the governance; they are asking for partition, federation, or decentralized state

Not sure where things head, but there's a bright light for Lebanese are witnessing the corrupt trio last days, thanks to FPM

So everything that's happening now is part of FPM's plan and vision.. wow so impressive

So when is the plan expected to payoff and get Lebanon prosperous again? Next thursday?
 

Weezy

Legendary Member
The batrak is not an elected official. The rest of the Christian parties are not far from this rhetoric, they are simply trying to reap political benefit from it by undermining the biggest party.
In all cases, as you said it, tit for tat cannot work, so it needs to stop.

Are you sure the christians are not far from that rhetoric?


 

Weezy

Legendary Member
What a curse for Hariri and Berry - all their life, every time they want to steal they would face Aoun against them until his grave.

FPM supporters have money in comparison to theirs who depend completely on the State. Basically Lebanese Christians mainly are pumping cash to Lebanon as while we get educated, the others are stuck in hating us or Israel or eternal wars. Result is that they don’t have a penny. The minute - literally the minute - Christians stopped pumping cash to Lebanon, the country collapsed. Without Christians, Lebanon would be exactly like Yemen —

Christians created Lebanon and others always worked to destroy it. Whether we are not enough Arab, not enough Palestinian or now not enough Iranian - they achieved nothing since 30 years else than stealing us. Waaaw what an achievement!

Yes so true, only Christians have money.. They Shia don't send money from Africa and Sunnah don't pump cash from the Gulf.

Wen ba3dak ya zalame :lol:
 

Joe tayyar

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
The main question now is not if hariri will apologise from forming a gvt or not, the question is when will he apologise, sooner or later, there is no escape!
 

Weezy

Legendary Member
You know who are the ancestors of Hariri ? The Mourabitoun. Their only objective was to kick out Christians from Lebanon. After 1990, Hariri start massively to steal Lebanon and Christians rights. We stopped that.
You keep defending Hariri because he is Sunna but don’t you care that the guy took ALL your and my cash ? He must be judged for high corruption. Stop thinking religion. I would vote for anyone CLEAN and for now it is only FPM

Yes Muslims should rush to vote for the "clean" bassil specially for his Christian rights rhetoric :lol:
 

My Moria Moon

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Inaccurate and I'll tell you why, Aoun would have completely consolidated the Christian vote, they would have no choice but to integrate him. Geagea has been slowly gaining popularity since 2005 for the sole reason of being anti-HA. His entire 2009 election platform was solely built on that. Fearmongering that HA will take over the country, in other words, a vote for Aoun is a vote for HA. Without that, Kataeb/LF/Marada literally have nothing to show for.

Even if Aoun immediately started his "Christian rights" narrative and thus alienating the secular Muslim population that might have joined him, he would have been able to make himself an indispensable player in Lebanon politics overtaking Joumblatt's past role.

Moreover, being in the middle doesn't mean being isolated. Eventually, he would have weaved better alliances with both parties with no written guarantees and consequently not binding him to an axis forever. French alliance alone could have changed the political scene, as they are conduits to the Americans and both have tremendous powers over local warlords in Lebanon.

In your suggestive scenario you might as well have included the chance that HA had a different approach to the MoU, where they'd have worked together with Aoun towards the true realization of some state building project. The MoU's end result would've been everyone's day dream, right? Reality however, per se, didn't allow for neither the one nor the other wishful scenario to materialize.

And just so we don't lose ourselves in semantics, Reality here is the sum of the prevailing political situation, conditions, our sectarian formula and shared past experience and history. Altogether, these elements could not allow for any one, let alone someone with Aoun's history and personality, upon his "king's" return, the luxury of choosing to stay on some "middle" side. Take this to the bank, ghosts from the past still walk among the livings. In their minds, al marouniya al siyasiya, here represented by Aoun upon his return, remains equally hated and feared by druze, sunni and shia. The minute Christians would have united under one leadership, they'd have been immediately conceived as a threat to the muslims post Taif political gains. In Aoun's case, a returning king swaying his sword of reform and change, sunni, shia and druze would have found ways to politically re-unite against him, middle or no middle, and you'd end up having Aoun either at war with the "united front of the lebanese muslims" or seeking ways to break apart such front. He chose the later, hence the MoU.

If we are to follow your lamentation over the MoU for being one cause behind why we are here today, we go back to where we started this circular discussion. Had the donkeys of M14 been smarter, they'd have embraced Aoun and used his christian leverage against HA, or at least towards tipping the majority of Lebanese opinion against the arms . They didn't and we are where we are today.
 

Joe tayyar

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
W yalla ir7al micheal aoun!
Lej2in jowa jowa w bassil barra barra!
Fikoun w bthawritkoun!

 

My Moria Moon

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
W yalla ir7al micheal aoun!
Lej2in jowa jowa w bassil barra barra!
Fikoun w bthawritkoun!


Let us for the sake of curiosity and some entertainment ask @Weezy and @Patriot: would you prioritize a demo against this 👆 or against Bassil and Aoun?
 
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