October 17 Revolution

What do you think will happen next, after Hariri's resignation?

  • Stalemate - No govt will be formed

    Votes: 42 51.2%
  • New mini-government of specialists will be formed in less than 10 days

    Votes: 21 25.6%
  • Similar government with Hariri PM again

    Votes: 15 18.3%
  • Civil War

    Votes: 24 29.3%

  • Total voters
    82

NewLeb

Member
True, Christians after all follow the Bible. It is a BIG SIN to have enemies hence you won’t find any deep rooted hate towards Israelis or anyone as it is just against our religion to fight and keep walls.
Christians due to their education can’t be street workers all their lives - we invest in education and openess while other invest in wars and eternal hate.

nevertheless, Christians proved in the past that when needed we would go and fight but this will always be the last option ans against our religion which calls for brotherhood between Human beings and forgiveness

I think the main issue is the Christian belief in the separation of Church and State (“render unto Ceaser”).

Christian societies (like Western Europe) become secular and “open,” which routinely results in the degradation of religion and its institutions, and the societal corruption of its peoples.

Hitler complained that Christianity was too soft and naive of a religion to deal with these matters.

That’s why you have so many deluded Christians thinking Islam is the enemy, when in reality, you have Christian nations being strangled to death by their Jewish overlords, who pretty much control everything from the financial system to the media....
 

My Moria Moon

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Definitely Michel Aoun and Bassil

I mean both the refugees and Aoun/Bassil are a waste of oxygen at the minute

Thank you very much for your honest folly.

At least the refugees can be useful at something.

Dunno about your needs, but the refugees are certainly useful when it comes to yucking fou savagely. yes yes, a little more than Aoun and Bassil combined. Bass what do I care, your preferences, your choice, and I don't mind anyone doing anything to oneself. :rolleyes:

But just for the sake of not leaving you without some useful tips, here's the coordinates to a place you need to secure a bed at before it gets overcrowded: 33°54'29.11"N 35°35'3.20"O
 
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Joe tayyar

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Definitely Michel Aoun and Bassil

I mean both the refugees and Aoun/Bassil are a waste of oxygen at the minute
At least the refugees can be useful at something.
عينه عن الشعب الخرا، انتو شعب زباله بيسوا سرمايه انشالله بتموتو جوع لاجري اذا بترجعوا
 

Weezy

Legendary Member
I am sure. notice how his speech is cantered on Aoun and Bassil. All he is doing is trying to score political points. if he still had his militia he would have murdered them already.

Are you talking about the same guy who gave aoun the presidency?
 

The_FPMer

Well-Known Member
In your suggestive scenario you might as well have included the chance that HA had a different approach to the MoU, where they'd have worked together with Aoun towards the true realization of some state building project. The MoU's end result would've been everyone's day dream, right? Reality however, per se, didn't allow for neither the one nor the other wishful scenario to materialize.

And just so we don't lose ourselves in semantics, Reality here is the sum of the prevailing political situation, conditions, our sectarian formula and shared past experience and history. Altogether, these elements could not allow for any one, let alone someone with Aoun's history and personality, upon his "king's" return, the luxury of choosing to stay on some "middle" side. Take this to the bank, ghosts from the past still walk among the livings. In their minds, al marouniya al siyasiya, here represented by Aoun upon his return, remains equally hated and feared by druze, sunni and shia. The minute Christians would have united under one leadership, they'd have been immediately conceived as a threat to the muslims post Taif political gains. In Aoun's case, a returning king swaying his sword of reform and change, sunni, shia and druze would have found ways to politically re-unite against him, middle or no middle, and you'd end up having Aoun either at war with the "united front of the lebanese muslims" or seeking ways to break apart such front. He chose the later, hence the MoU.

If we are to follow your lamentation over the MoU for being one cause behind why we are here today, we go back to where we started this circular discussion. Had the donkeys of M14 been smarter, they'd have embraced Aoun and used his christian leverage against HA, or at least towards tipping the majority of Lebanese opinion against the arms . They didn't and we are where we are today.

1- You're exaggerating the actual power of M14
2- Downplaying the power of the West
3- Ignoring that Aoun could have forged an alliance with HA without a MOU that bounded the former and cut him off from his international connections
4- Disregarding that politics is never static and is always dynamic and power eventually forces a new status-quo
5- Forgetting that Aoun did a complete 180 on his principles and changed his stance from "HA is a terrorist arm of the Syrian regime" to "It's a The Resistance" for hollow short-term gains
6- HA needed Aoun more than the latter needed the former and thus Aoun could have capitalized on that
7- A true Sunni-Shia-Druze front could only last if other Christian players are a significant foothold else it wouldn't hold on for much. Aoun by consolidating the entire Christian vote would have stood still against those attacks instead of capitulating and merging with the Iran axis
 

My Moria Moon

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Are you talking about the same guy who gave aoun the presidency?

Or the same guy who used to ask you for your ID card and shoot you if you were unlucky to have the wrong first name.

Do you guys feel comfortable bonding with someone who stabs his own folks in the back at the first given chance?
 

Weezy

Legendary Member
Or the same guy who used to ask you for your ID card and shoot you if you were unlucky to have the wrong first name.

Do you guys feel comfortable bonding with someone who stabs his own folks in the back at the first given chance?

You didn't mind allying with the guy who used to ask for IDs for the sake of the presidency :)
 

My Moria Moon

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
You didn't mind allying with the guy who used to ask for IDs for the sake of the presidency :)
Let's put it like this: his "christian family" knows him well as a traitor and backstabber. Yet, since he's "family", they're stuck with him.
But for you to bond with a traitor who backstabs his own family, don't you wonder what he might do with you at the first turn? :)
 

Weezy

Legendary Member
Let's put it like this: his "christian family" knows him well as a traitor and backstabber. Yet, since he's "family", they're stuck with him.
But for you to bond with a traitor who backstabs his own family, don't you wonder what he might do with you at the first turn? :)

All lebanese are my family :happy:
 

My Moria Moon

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
1- You're exaggerating the actual power of M14

A bold misinterpretation. I did not address the caliber of their power, neither then nor currently. I just said they were fools for antagonizing Aoun instead of embracing him.

2- Downplaying the power of the West

Now you're exaggerating the power of the west over internal politics.

3- Ignoring that Aoun could have forged an alliance with HA without a MOU that bounded the former and cut him off from his international connections

The MoU was well understood by the international powers from start. Except for the Americans who are engaged on the israelis side in a regional chess game, most western countries don't care. They themselves have varying relationships with Iran and indirectly, sometimes directly, with HA. The MoU didn't start to negatively reflect on Aoun internationally until the Americans, with Trump at the helm, decided to dump the Iranian nuclear deal. Pompeo used his last days at the office to shoot one last bullet at Iran via Bassil in Lebanon.

4- Disregarding that politics is never static and is always dynamic and power eventually forces a new status-quo

okey.. I think 🤔

5- Forgetting that Aoun did a complete 180 on his principles and changed his stance from "HA is a terrorist arm of the Syrian regime" to "It's a The Resistance" for hollow short-term gains

This is Real Politics. Could also be interpreted as Aoun had a peaceful closure plan in mind of the arms issue, plus some kind of reconciliation attempt between shia and christians plus an entry to the political executive arena.

6- HA needed Aoun more than the latter needed the former and thus Aoun could have capitalized on that

I'm inclined to think both needed the love and understanding of each other in equal proportion, yet to satisfy different needs.

7- A true Sunni-Shia-Druze front could only last if other Christian players are a significant foothold else it wouldn't hold on for much. Aoun by consolidating the entire Christian vote would have stood still against those attacks instead of capitulating and merging with the Iran axis
An Aoun led united Christian front would have automagically welded a solid national muslim alliance against it. Didn't I already tell you to take this to the bank, but beware, a Swiss bank?
 
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