Only 36% of Lebanese voters are Christian

[manifesto]

To my knowledge, there hasn't been an official census regarding Lebanon's population since 1935. But if you actually tally the votes in each district, you can get an idea about Lebanon's current demographic reality. 36% of eligible voters are Christians, 64% are Muslim.

With that said, do you think the current electoral is proportional to the population's religious distribution?

And is it fair for Lebanese Christians to keep crying victim when they are actually over-represented in the parliament?

 

[JB81]

You don't mind Christians paying 65% of the taxes, and working in the private sector. If we are in a democratic system with the idea that representation comes with taxation, in this case, Christian vote should be worth double of that of the Muslim lol... remember that no taxation without representation

Either 50/50 or partition

 

[Lebnaouneh]

To my knowledge, there hasn't been a official census regarding Lebanon's population since 1935. But if you actually tally the votes in each district, you can get an idea about Lebanon's current demographic reality. 36% of eligible voters are Christians, 64% are Muslim.

With that said, do you think the current electoral is proportional to the population's religious distribution?

And is it fair for Lebanese Christians to keep crying victim when they are actually over-represented in the parliament?

The whole philosophy of Taef was to stop counting
There are cultural differences and this isn’t subject to the rule of majority, if it did it would be considered cultural oppression
Also, christians can now elect approximately 45-47 deputees by their own strength, which is exactly 35% of the parliament so please bala terbi7 jmileh nobody is giving anyone any gifts

 

[Achilles]

Christians were 46% of the voters in 1994 - 39.5% in 2009 and 36% today. Sunni alone are around 30% of the voters

36% of Lebanese Voters are Christians but Christians represents less than that if we count the 0-21 Y.O who do not vote. Maybe 32-33% and if we add the Palestinians and Syrians living in Lebanon I think Christians are probably and currently something like 19-20% of the people living in Lebanon.

Maybe at the next elections Shia voters alone and Sunni voters alone will outnumber the Christians voters. I doubt then that each of them will accept to get 28 MP while Christians get 64.

The two main Christians parties are acting by ignoring completely the problem. Burying their head in the sand. In the same time even in traditional Christians areas thousands of real estates are being bought every year by non Christians. The face of every so-called Christian district is changing each year.

Lebanon was built on a parity between Christians and Muslims, in a time where both were around 50% of the General population. But now things have changed completely and every few years Christians lose 3-4% of the total Lebanese voters.

Hopefully after these elections Christian parties would raise that issue bluntly. The naturalisation decree from the nineties should be canceled and Lebanon should shift to a federal system similar to the one established in Belgium or Switzerland. This in my opinion is the major and main issue Christians should focus on after the elections. Not electricity, corruption, infrastructure etc. But on a system that will help to avoid the Christians of this country to find themselves in a Few years in the same situation as the Christians of Syria, Irak, Jordan or Egypt due to demographic changes.

Maronite voters from 2009 to 2018 increased by 3% and all Christians by 2.8%, while in the same period of time Shia voters increased by 20% and Muslims by 19%. For the first time maronites fell under 20% of the voters.

The Serbs were 90% of Kosovo after WWII... now they represent 10%

 

[manifesto]

The whole philosophy of Taef was to stop counting
There are cultural differences and this isn’t subject to the rule of majority, if it did it would be considered cultural oppression
Also, christians can now elect approximately 45-47 deputees by their own strength, which is exactly 35% of the parliament so please bala terbi7 jmileh nobody is giving anyone any gifts

Meen rabba7ak jmileh? I'm just pointing out the flaws in our system.
I wish Christians or, better yet, Atheists were the majority, but if we wanna play devil's advocate, our current electoral system is far from proportional.

 

[Lebnaouneh]

Meen rabba7ak jmileh? I'm just pointing out the flaws in our system.
I wish Christians or, better yet, Atheists were the majority, but if we wanna play devil's advocate, our current electoral system is far from proportional.

How is it far from proportional?

 

[manifesto]

Christians were 46% of the voters in 1994 - 39.5% in 2009 and 36% today. Sunni alone are around 30% of the voters

36% of Lebanese Voters are Christians but Christians represents less than that if we count the 0-21 Y.O who do not vote. Maybe 32-33% and if we add the Palestinians and Syrians living in Lebanon I think Christians are probably and currently something like 19-20% of the people living in Lebanon.

Maybe at the next elections Shia voters alone and Sunni voters alone will outnumber the Christians voters. I doubt then that each of them will accept to get 28 MP while Christians get 64.

The two main Christians parties are acting by ignoring completely the problem. Burying their head in the sand. In the same time even in traditional Christians areas thousands of real estates are being bought every year by non Christians. The face of every so-called Christian district is changing each year.

Lebanon was built on a parity between Christians and Muslims, in a time where both were around 50% of the General population. But now things have changed completely and every few years Christians lose 3-4% of the total Lebanese voters.

Hopefully after these elections Christian parties would raise that issue bluntly. The naturalisation decree from the nineties should be canceled and Lebanon should shift to a federal system similar to the one established in Belgium or Switzerland. This in my opinion is the major and main issue Christians should focus on after the elections. Not electricity, corruption, infrastructure etc. But on a system that will help to avoid the Christians of this country to find themselves in a Few years in the same situation as the Christians of Syria, Irak, Jordan or Egypt due to demographic changes.

Maronite voters from 2009 to 2018 increased by 3% and all Christians by 2.8%, while in the same period of time Shia voters increased by 20% and Muslims by 19%. For the first time maronites fell under 20% of the voters.

The Serbs were 90% of Kosovo after WWII... now they represent 10%

And you think Lebanon in its current state doesn't resemble a federation? Some districts are banning people from other religions of buying land. Some are restricting the sale of alcohol.

During the July War, when Dahyeh was getting bombarded, people kept on dancing in Mar Mkhael. That's not because Lebanese are resilient as the stupid sensationalist media likes to portray them, but because the Lebanese are so sectarian and regionalistic that they feel indifferent and unconcerned when another community or region gets assaulted.

 

[manifesto]

How is it far from proportional?

If the number of Christian voters keeps dwindling to eventually become 20%, do you think it would still be fair for Christians to have 64 seats in the parliament? That would pave the way for a new civil war.

Christians are digging their own grave by embracing the confessional system instead of pushing for a secular government.

 

[Randomiser]

The only hope for christians is indeed secular non-confessional system. 36% in 2018 is better than the 35% in 2017 The current Shia/Sunnis rates are so low compared to ones during 1980s and 1990s, it can be balanced back to 40% if Christians try to have more kids.
Anyway, they are 36% seats of the voters including the currently Hariri's BFF 300,000+ Palestinian and Syrian voters who got naturalized along their kids in 1994. The kids of those Palestinians naturalized by Hariri and born after 1994 can vote now.

 

[Mighty Goat]

You don't mind Christians paying 65% of the taxes, and working in the private sector. If we are in a democratic system with the idea that representation comes with taxation, in this case, Christian vote should be worth double of that of the Muslim lol... remember that no taxation without representation

Either 50/50 or partition

He is saying Christians don't have the population.

 

[flag-waver]

It is known that 60% of those outside are from the muslims not the christians. These are also included in the stats. I will tell you something.
The christians in Australia masalan dont have less than 3 kids some even 4 and 5. The muslims have 4-5 also. It is very rare to see in Australia one who has less than 3. If we compare to Lebanon the birth rates for all sects are very low and some dont have kids until they are 45.
The 94 law needs to be revoked immediately and these thousands who come to zahle masalan should be cancelled. The government gave 150K people citizenship with a pen now akide they are more than 300K which probably half living in Syria.
The church grows when there is a young population. How things are going in Lebanon everyone will cease to exist in 20 years.

 

[flag-waver]

+ most of the Lebanese muslims register their children whilst the christians dont which explains the increase. The increase doesnt need to be in Lebanon but the countries outside.

 

[Mighty Goat]

+ most of the Lebanese muslims register their children whilst the christians dont which explains the increase. The increase doesnt need to be in Lebanon but the countries outside.

You seem to have missed on the story where The numbers of Palestinian refugees in the camps shrunk mesteriously .

 

[flag-waver]

You seem to have missed on the story where The numbers of Palestinian refugees in the camps shrunk mesteriously .

Mysteriously.

 

[Lebnaouneh]

If the number of Christian voters keeps dwindling to eventually become 20%, do you think it would still be fair for Christians to have 64 seats in the parliament? That would pave the way for a new civil war.

Christians are digging their own grave by embracing the confessional system instead of pushing for a secular government.

You think anybody cares the names are christian? Bel 3akess helps muslim parties look more progressive and mask their sectarianism
Wou review what Gebran is saying: he’s saying either full sectarianism or full secularism we are ready and he says secularism is better for christians on the long run but secularism entails a number of laws and not simply the ones that give more power to muslims, its about limiting power of religious institutions which muslims refuse

 

[NAFAR]

90% of Lebanese Muslims oppose civil marriage and some are dreaming about secularism.
As for the numbers, Christians will be OK as long as they keep their historical geographical area homogeneous, and which extends from Zgharta in the North up to Damascus road and including Zahleh.

 

[Mockinggbird]

90% of Lebanese Muslims oppose civil marriage and some are dreaming about secularism.
As for the numbers, Christians will be OK as long as they keep their historical geographical area homogeneous, and which extends from Zgharta in the North up to Damascus road and including Zahleh.

unfortunately Christians are doomed to become marginal (less than 20%) in one to two generations...
it's a matter of time and everybody knows this
that's why LF and FPM got closer
our only hope was to have a federation which is far from reality now
we will keep on emigrating and they will keep on having more kids and playing with demography, getting married to four women and by naturalizing more Syrians and Palestinians...
till the point the system is changed sometime in the future
you just can't be 20% of the population and claim 50% of presentation

 

[Mockinggbird]

Christians were 46% of the voters in 1994 - 39.5% in 2009 and 36% today. Sunni alone are around 30% of the voters

36% of Lebanese Voters are Christians but Christians represents less than that if we count the 0-21 Y.O who do not vote. Maybe 32-33% and if we add the Palestinians and Syrians living in Lebanon I think Christians are probably and currently something like 19-20% of the people living in Lebanon.

Maybe at the next elections Shia voters alone and Sunni voters alone will outnumber the Christians voters. I doubt then that each of them will accept to get 28 MP while Christians get 64.

The two main Christians parties are acting by ignoring completely the problem. Burying their head in the sand. In the same time even in traditional Christians areas thousands of real estates are being bought every year by non Christians. The face of every so-called Christian district is changing each year.

Lebanon was built on a parity between Christians and Muslims, in a time where both were around 50% of the General population. But now things have changed completely and every few years Christians lose 3-4% of the total Lebanese voters.

Hopefully after these elections Christian parties would raise that issue bluntly. The naturalisation decree from the nineties should be canceled and Lebanon should shift to a federal system similar to the one established in Belgium or Switzerland. This in my opinion is the major and main issue Christians should focus on after the elections. Not electricity, corruption, infrastructure etc. But on a system that will help to avoid the Christians of this country to find themselves in a Few years in the same situation as the Christians of Syria, Irak, Jordan or Egypt due to demographic changes.

Maronite voters from 2009 to 2018 increased by 3% and all Christians by 2.8%, while in the same period of time Shia voters increased by 20% and Muslims by 19%. For the first time maronites fell under 20% of the voters.

The Serbs were 90% of Kosovo after WWII... now they represent 10%

THANK YOU !
the only solution is a federal system ... but who will accept giving this to you ???
we are growing at 2-3 % and they are growing at 20+% which is 10 TIMES FASTER !!
and still you see that all the stupid morons calling themselves moujtama3 madani are christians ....
they want secularism in a majority Muslim country - the most absurdity ever !

 

[LFHakim]

Actually in 1992 the 46 percent Christians were not exactly
They comprised dead people
Youssef Karam name was there
After the decision to remove people over 100 years unless they show up
Number went down to 39 percent
Naturalisation decree children reached 21 in 2015
Since 2015
Christians stable around 36 percent
Plus Muslim increased in south Akkar and Baalbek
Not mixed Baabda or Zahle
Plus 1500 Christians immigrants are receiving nationality every month

 

[LFHakim]

unfortunately Christians are doomed to become marginal (less than 20%) in one to two generations...
it's a matter of time and everybody knows this
that's why LF and FPM got closer
our only hope was to have a federation which is far from reality now
we will keep on emigrating and they will keep on having more kids and playing with demography, getting married to four women and by naturalizing more Syrians and Palestinians...
till the point the system is changed sometime in the future
you just can't be 20% of the population and claim 50% of presentation

Not sure about this
Muslim demographics are going down also
Don’t be taken by newspapers figures
All this need a lot of deep studies