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Palestinians exchanging the LEBANESE flag with the palestinian one in Nahr el Bered

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Shangleesh

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How would you deal with refugees who want to make Lebanon a new Palestine? Do you give them citizenships and free employment since we have such a lush economy and so many jobs to spare? Since you're an SSNPer, do you propose we give the Palestinians the homes and jobs of the Lebanese people as was done in the past with Syrian nationals? Isn't the name of your party "Syrian Socialist Nationalis Party"? Where exactly does Lebanon stand in your Syrian ideology? The Palestinians have been trangressing in our country for decades now, and they are responsible for their own actions. The question is do you send a nanny to watchover them or do you send them to a boot camp? Nannies are not equiped to deal with thugs, and that's not to say all Palestinians are thugs, but unfortunately, the thugs run the camps while the innocent suffer.




I'm with you, let's send them to the U.S. & Europe since they can have "equal rights" there. I guess in this day & age if you put your country's interests over the Palestinain, Syrian, Israeli, American interests, then you must be a racist. If that's the criteria for a racist, then I welcome your remarks.


You don't deserve Lebanon and Lebanon doesn't deserve you.

The Palestinians would treat Lebanon better than a thug like you. I would rather give them my country before i allow your types to run it.
 

kappa273

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1-I would try negotiation, guarantee a fair trial and no revenge.

2-Evacuate the civilians and promise any damage to their homes will be repaired immediately.

3-I would have located the tunnels and waited it out, eventually they are going to get hungry and thirsty and surrender.

thank you for your reply...

1- negotiations tried for more than 90 days.. Results: FAILED

2- Civilians evacuated.. as for paying for the damages... perhaps the arab countries who are behind those terrorists should pay for the damages... simply we cannot afford it..

we haven't even build the houses of our own compatriots from last year's war

3- this is where military information fails you.. the tunnels are built deep inside and never in the history of warfare, has anyone tried what you just described..
the war in the north was having a heavy toll on the society and economy in the north and even after 90 days of siege, the terrorist were showing significant resistance.

do you think the army should have waited 200 days?

kappa
 

Shangleesh

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thank you for your reply...

1- negotiations tried for more than 90 days.. Results: FAILED

2- Civilians evacuated.. as for paying for the damages... perhaps the arab countries who are behind those terrorists should pay for the damages... simply we cannot afford it..

we haven't even build the houses of our own compatriots from last year's war

3- this is where military information fails you.. the tunnels are built deep inside and never in the history of warfare, has anyone tried what you just described..
the war in the north was having a heavy toll on the society and economy in the north and even after 90 days of siege, the terrorist were showing significant resistance.

do you think the army should have waited 200 days?

kappa

Negotiations were not tried, this is a lie.

You don't tell somebody i will either kill you outside the camps or inside the camps, of course they are going to choose inside the camps.

Also the only reason the army waited was not becuase of civilians but they didn't know what to do, they haven't been in a serious battle in a long time, they were clueless, they didn't know what the next step was. They were stalling and buying time and hoping a miracle would happen.
 

Moonlapse

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You don't deserve Lebanon and Lebanon doesn't deserve you.

The Palestinians would treat Lebanon better than a thug like you. I would rather give them my country before i allow your types to run it.

You're absolutely right, no one is deserving of me. My dominion is not of this world, but in the heavens above, where I walk with the gods.
 

Shangleesh

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Also why didn't the terrorist just run away in the tunnels, they obviously felt cornered and felt they had nowhere to go or they would have all escaped. If we would have waited and handled it better, they would have surrendered.
 

3asheq Beirut

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How would you deal with refugees who want to make Lebanon a new Palestine? Do you give them citizenships and free employment since we have such a lush economy and so many jobs to spare?

That's a bunch of nonsense. If Lebanon changed its system there wouldn't be any economic problems. If you allow Palestinians to compete for jobs like any other Lebanese it's not going to change anything. You change the sectarian, inherently corrupt system, improve the economy, create more jobs, and there will be no burden on anyone. Your idea is that the Palestinians must be willing to live in their conditions no matter how crappy they are because we Lebanese can't even build a proper state.

Since you're an SSNPer, do you propose we give the Palestinians the homes and jobs of the Lebanese people as was done in the past with Syrian nationals?

Whose homes did you give to Syrians? Stop with your nonsense. The Lebanese economy is in shambles because of the Lebanese system. This does not excuse treating Palestinians like second class human beings and then expecting them to just shut up.

Isn't the name of your party "Syrian Socialist Nationalis Party"?

No, that is not the name of our party.

Where exactly does Lebanon stand in your Syrian ideology?

We are not here discussing Social Nationalist ideology. We can open another thread if you'd like to discuss this topic, or you can just go pick up a book by Saadeh and find out for yourself.

The Palestinians have been trangressing in our country for decades now, and they are responsible for their own actions.

The Palestinians are not transgressing. They did not leave Palestine for the fun of it, or just to annoy the Lebanese. They were forced out of their land and made into refugees in Lebanon. It wasn't their fault, and they would much rather have stayed in Palestine.

The question is do you send a nanny to watchover them or do you send them to a boot camp?

So it's either you send them a nanny or send them to boot camp? As if these are petulent little children that it is your duty to discipline? So never mind allowing them to live normally.

Nannies are not equiped to deal with thugs, and that's not to say all Palestinians are thugs, but unfortunately, the thugs run the camps while the innocent suffer.

Well I'm glad to see that you don't think that all Palestinians are thugs. But you just want to ship them all out, and believe they are transgressing on Lebanese turf. Now what do you do with the Lebanese armed thugs roaming all over Lebanon? Maybe you should go into Bsharreh and destroy the whole place because they allowed the LF militia to have a presence there. How about we send the army into the Chouf region and flatten the place because they allowed the PSP to control that region?


I'm with you, let's send them to the U.S. & Europe since they can have "equal rights" there. I guess in this day & age if you put your country's interests over Palestinian, Syrian, Israeli, American interests, then you must be a racist. If that's the criteria for a racist, then I welcome your remarks. Maybe I would be less of a racist if I belonged to a Lebanese party that served a foreign nation, then I would be labeled as a humanitarian like your good self.

You are not putting your country's interests over anyone. You don't even know what your country's interests are? Who said it was in Lebanon's interests to force Palestinians to live in camps? Who said it was in Lebanon's interest to regard the Palestinians as a bunch of thugs that must be sent to "boot camp"? You hold a position of utter hatred and disdain for the Palestinians and then claim that you are only looking out for Lebanon's interest.
 

kappa273

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Negotiations were not tried, this is a lie.

You don't tell somebody i will either kill you outside the camps or inside the camps, of course they are going to choose inside the camps.

Also the only reason the army waited was not becuase of civilians but they didn't know what to do, they haven't been in a serious battle in a long time, they were clueless, they didn't know what the next step was. They were stalling and buying time and hoping a miracle would happen.

you can believe anything you want for years..
negotiations were not tried..

can you prove that there were no negotiations..
from what i heard and read in newspapers, many people tried their best from the lebanese sunni clergy to the palestinian clergy to palestinian civilians to politicians..

none of these people denied being involved in any negotiations as the press reported.. so prove to me that everything said and written was wrong...

besides the couple of people killed by fer3 el ma3loumet for unclear reasons, can you tell us how many were executed by the army?

i like your style when you said the army was clueless... and i presume you were first row in this battle.. or perhaps you are the high commander of the lebanese army..

by the way, did the miracle you claim the lebanese army was waiting happen or not? and what was it?

kappa
 

kappa273

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Good, say hello to Bachir Gemayal for me.

shou khass Cesar bi bachir?

i am not following you here...

the people you are defending (fat7 el islem) consider Bin Laden their leader and commander...

are we supposed to consider you a bin ladenist as well?

kappa
 

Shangleesh

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shou khass Cesar bi bachir?

i am not following you here...

the people you are defending (fat7 el islem) consider Bin Laden their leader and commander...

are we supposed to consider you a bin ladenist as well?

kappa

I am defending FEI now. Show me once where i defended this group or stop spreading your lies.

Who taught you this trickery, George W. Bush, so if i am against the war in Iraq than i am a supporter of Saddam? Or if i oppose the war in Afghanistan i am a supporter of Bin Laden and the Taliban?
 

LibnanSoldier

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These same Lebanese who think like this are the ones who are easily influenced by sectarian militias and once a war breaks out again which is very much possible will be the ones on the checkpoints slicing our throats because we were born Muslims.

I am not easily influened by sectarian militias. I consider myself a Christian, though my father was a Muslim. I don't go killing people simply because of what they believe in. The fact is, Palestinian refugee camps are led by people who want Lebanon to be theirs. It's one of the reasons I allign myself with Israel. Whenever they are needed to come in and clean house of Palestinian terrorists, they're right next door. That alone makes up for much of the harm they've caused the Lebanese, which itself is overrated. Also, as evidenced by the title of the thread, these Palestinians don't want to be considered Lebanese. If they want to put up a Palestinian flag, they can do so, but don't go around wishing to become a citizen of Lebanon when you clearly don't want to.

I would never kill a Palestinian Civilian unless he/she would do the same to me. Sabra and Shatila Massacre was filled with people who supported the Palestinians in the war, and to me, they supported a terrorist group. Thus, they were enemies. Was the killing right? Of course not. Is it hard to feel sympathetic to a group of people who were killing, raping, torturing our people just as much if not more as we were to their's? Yes, it is.
 

Moonlapse

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That's a bunch of nonsense. If Lebanon changed its system there wouldn't be any economic problems. If you allow Palestinians to compete for jobs like any other Lebanese it's not going to change anything. You change the sectarian, inherently corrupt system, improve the economy, create more jobs, and there will be no burden on anyone. Your idea is that the Palestinians must be willing to live in their conditions no matter how crappy they are because we Lebanese can't even build a proper state.

You mean socialism is a better system? Fix the corruption first, then deal with the Palestinians, not before. In the meantime, there are no jobs to spare and Lebanon is overcrowded, especially with thugs.

Whose homes did you give to Syrians? Stop with your nonsense. The Lebanese economy is in shambles because of the Lebanese system. This does not excuse treating Palestinians like second class human beings and then expecting them to just shut up.

Not me, you the Syrians sent workers here and gave them citizenships, and you want to do the same with the Palestinians.

We are not here discussing Social Nationalist ideology. We can open another thread if you'd like to discuss this topic, or you can just go pick up a book by Saadeh and find out for yourself.

It's relevant to the discussion since you support their ideals. You put the interests of foreigners over Lebanese interests.

The Palestinians are not transgressing. They did not leave Palestine for the fun of it, or just to annoy the Lebanese. They were forced out of their land and made into refugees in Lebanon. It wasn't their fault, and they would much rather have stayed in Palestine.

The Lebanese did not throw them out of Palestine, yet, Arafat found the time to wage wars on Lebanon when he should have been concentrating his efforts on returning to where he came from.

So it's either you send them a nanny or send them to boot camp? As if these are petulent little children that it is your duty to discipline? So never mind allowing them to live normally.

I think it would be in their interest and our interest that they move to Europe or America as you suggested. They can be better absorbed there until they find a solution for them.

While I'm glad to see that you don't think that all Palestinians are thugs. But you just want to ship them all out, and believe they are transgressing on Lebanese turf. Now what do you do with the Lebanese armed thugs roaming all over Lebanon? Maybe you should go into Bsharreh and destroy the whole place because they allowed the LF militia to have a presence there. How about we send the army into the Chouf region and flatten the place because they allowed the PSP to control that region?

It's not a matter of thinking they trangressed on Lebanese soil, it's a matter of fact. Lebanese thugs should get a taste of Lebanese justice, and I support the version you suggested. I would very much like for the Lebanese army to flatten Bcharreh and the Chouf region, that's when the Lebanese army will truely earn it's title. But I would especially like for LA to storm the Serail, Baabda Palace, Bkerke, the Lebanese Parliament and arrest the traitors. That's when the Lebanese people can start feeling safe at home and have confidence in their gov't and army.

You are not putting your country's interests over anyone. You don't even know what your country's interests are? Who said it was in Lebanon's interests to force Palestinians to live in camps? Who said it was in Lebanon's interest to regard the Palestinians as a bunch of thugs that must be sent to "boot camp"? You hold a position of utter hatred and disdain for the Palestinians and then claim that you are only looking out for Lebanon's interest.

It is in Lebanese interests that the Palestinians are off Lebanese soil permanently, there is no denying that. I can't worry about their feelings when they allow thugs to run their affairs.
 

Shangleesh

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I am not easily influened by sectarian militias. I consider myself a Christian, though my father was a Muslim. I don't go killing people simply because of what they believe in. The fact is, Palestinian refugee camps are led by people who want Lebanon to be theirs. It's one of the reasons I allign myself with Israel. Whenever they are needed to come in and clean house of Palestinian terrorists, they're right next door. That alone makes up for much of the harm they've caused the Lebanese, which itself is overrated. Also, as evidenced by the title of the thread, these Palestinians don't want to be considered Lebanese. If they want to put up a Palestinian flag, they can do so, but don't go around wishing to become a citizen of Lebanon when you clearly don't want to.

I would never kill a Palestinian Civilian unless he/she would do the same to me. Sabra and Shatila Massacre was filled with people who supported the Palestinians in the war, and to me, they supported a terrorist group. Thus, they were enemies. Was the killing right? Of course not. Is it hard to feel sympathetic to a group of people who were killing, raping, torturing our people just as much if not more as we were to their's? Yes, it is.


Do us a favor, go back to Armenia and continue your support of Israel from there.
 

Shangleesh

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I'm not Armenian, anyway, so that insult is as effective as having a paper ball thrown on me.

so why is your name that?

I don't mean it anyway, i have nothing but love and respect for the Lebanese Armenians but when i hear somebody who makes believe they are Armenian talk about supporting Israel and hating Palestinians than i will play their game.
 

Shangleesh

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I am not easily influened by sectarian militias. I consider myself a Christian, though my father was a Muslim. I don't go killing people simply because of what they believe in. The fact is, Palestinian refugee camps are led by people who want Lebanon to be theirs. It's one of the reasons I allign myself with Israel. Whenever they are needed to come in and clean house of Palestinian terrorists, they're right next door. That alone makes up for much of the harm they've caused the Lebanese, which itself is overrated. Also, as evidenced by the title of the thread, these Palestinians don't want to be considered Lebanese. If they want to put up a Palestinian flag, they can do so, but don't go around wishing to become a citizen of Lebanon when you clearly don't want to.

I would never kill a Palestinian Civilian unless he/she would do the same to me. Sabra and Shatila Massacre was filled with people who supported the Palestinians in the war, and to me, they supported a terrorist group. Thus, they were enemies. Was the killing right? Of course not. Is it hard to feel sympathetic to a group of people who were killing, raping, torturing our people just as much if not more as we were to their's? Yes, it is.

I consider a Palestinian more Lebanese than you.
 

LibnanSoldier

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so why is your name that?

I don't mean it anyway, i have nothing but love and respect for the Lebanese Armenians but when i hear somebody who makes believe they are Armenian talk about supporting Israel and hating Palestinians than i will play their game.

My username, which I've requested X change to no avail, says YOUAreAnArmenian, not IAmAnArmenian.

I support Israel because they clean out terrorists when they're needed in Lebanon. They themselves have done many deplorable actions, but none that affect me in any way.

I consider a Palestinian more Lebanese than you.

You act as if I'm the only Lebanese supporter of Israel. There are many.

Your posts are filled with too much opinion, so your arguement, or lack thereof, is negligible.
 

Shangleesh

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My username, which I've requested X change to no avail, says YOUAreAnArmenian, not IAmAnArmenian.

I support Israel because they clean out terrorists when they're needed in Lebanon. They themselves have done many deplorable actions, but none that affect me in any way.

So if it doesn't affect you than who cares. I guess you supported the bombing of South Lebanon last year, as long as your area was spared right? Please don't touch downtown Beirut, please.

Please change your name because you are an embarassment to the Armenians and make them look bad, the majority of Armenians i know are anti-Israel.

what do you mean by YouAreAnArmenian, why did you create that name?
 

LibnanSoldier

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The bombings of South Lebanon were deplorable, as I said, and I even attended a protest here in New York during the war demanding Israel leave Lebanon alone. That said, they're still the ones I turn to when Palestinian terrorists need to be cleaned out.

My areas weren't spared. As I said, I'm half Shi'ite and my family has a village in South Lebanon which Israel splattered with clusterbombs.
 
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