POST-Elections 2022

Who will you vote for in the upcoming general election?

  • FPM

    Votes: 33 38.4%
  • LF

    Votes: 24 27.9%
  • HA

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • KATAEB

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • FM/PSP/ex 14 March candidates

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • AMAL/MARADA/SSNP/8 March candidates

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other (MMFD, SABAA, independent candidates)

    Votes: 16 18.6%
  • Not voting, blank vote or undecided

    Votes: 9 10.5%

  • Total voters
    86

zero

Active Member
The ministry is tafsil

Berri is a corrupt network of manzoumet Taef

Touching Berri will create a civil war because Joumblat and gaga will not sit silent when their boss is out of the picture

They know their turn is next

Manzoumeh bte7meh 7ala and hezb is a hostage of it in some sense

Now, HA can also be beneficial from the militias in power

Nothing gives HA letgimacy more than having miltias in suits ruling the state

That's why in order to remove hezb, you have to remove militias like gaga w joumblat w mazra3et Hariri

Such traitors corrupts militias cannot ask another militia to disarm

No one is saying to vote FPM; but a vote for LF PSP is a vote for HA arms for reasons above

A vote for Nahhas or other non-corrupt civil society list is also welcome
This some high level mental gymnastics here lol. HA gave Berri more parliament seats than he deserves, they gave him parliament speaker position, they gave him ministry of finance. They are the ones empowering Berri and you are allied with them. Good night :) .
 

flag-waver

Legendary Member
The ministry is tafsil

Berri is a corrupt network of manzoumet Taef

Touching Berri will create a civil war because Joumblat and gaga will not sit silent when their boss is out of the picture

They know their turn is next

Manzoumeh bte7meh 7ala and hezb is a hostage of it in some sense

Now, HA can also be beneficial from the militias in power

Nothing gives HA letgimacy more than having miltias in suits ruling the state

That's why in order to remove hezb, you have to remove militias like gaga w joumblat w mazra3et Hariri

Such traitors corrupts militias cannot ask another militia to disarm

No one is saying to vote FPM; but a vote for LF PSP is a vote for HA arms for reasons above

A vote for Nahhas or other non-corrupt civil society list is also welcome

What gives legitimacy to HA(whom you think isnt the issue) is FPM. They signed a pact with him
in 2006 and was quiet about his arms since that time. HA who crosses the border and does as it please, HA who smuggles items through the Port (You do know that we lose 5-6 billion a year due to smuggling), HA who goes and curses all our Jarab neighbours, HA who supports Berri 120% and doesn’t find a fault in it is the issue my friend. You shying away from it and closing your blind eyes wont change it.
 

Apostate

Your will, my hands.
Orange Room Supporter
This some high level mental gymnastics here lol. HA gave Berri more parliament seats than he deserves, they gave him parliament speaker position, they gave him ministry of finance. They are the ones empowering Berri and you are allied with them. Good night :) .

Mental gymnastics is his forte.
Just answer him with a fact which is: a vote for FPM = a vote for HA = a vote for Berri.
For all the reasons and facts that are always mentioned yet he prefers to ignore in order to parrot the same mental gymnastics again.

They, FPM, empowered HA for 15 years and by extension Berri. Byerja3o byejo byetbakbako... and the funny thing is that they still suck up HA's d1ck and only target Berri (who is being supported by HA).

Jnoun
 

flag-waver

Legendary Member
Mental gymnastics is his forte.
Just answer him with a fact which is: a vote for FPM = a vote for HA = a vote for Berri.
For all the reasons and facts that are always mentioned yet he prefers to ignore in order to parrot the same mental gymnastics again.

They, FPM, empowered HA for 15 years and by extension Berri. Byerja3o byejo byetbakbako... and the funny thing is that they still suck up HA's d1ck and only target Berri (who is being supported by HA).

Jnoun

Its not jnoun. They are scared of HA man and need him politically. They have no other real allies except HA.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
Mental gymnastics is his forte.
Just answer him with a fact which is: a vote for FPM = a vote for HA = a vote for Berri.
For all the reasons and facts that are always mentioned yet he prefers to ignore in order to parrot the same mental gymnastics again.

They, FPM, empowered HA for 15 years and by extension Berri. Byerja3o byejo byetbakbako... and the funny thing is that they still suck up HA's d1ck and only target Berri (who is being supported by HA).

Jnoun

You are ignoring the fact that Taef militias who hijacked the state and turned it into a farm are 80% of the problem, while Hezb is 20%
FPM road to disarm HA:

Take out the Manzoumeh who gave us a failed state since 92'; bring a legit Institutional State; than HA will be faced from a true State; not by someone like gaga who is equally a militia, above the law, bloody, and a mercenary to a foreign country

HA disarm begins by voting all miltias out(Amal PSP LF FM MIKATI and so on). If you don't want to vote FPM fine; There is MMFD and other new comers who can be voted for(of course no Machnouq Harb Mawad ones)

It is outmost necessary to vote out Joumblat Gaga Hariri Riffi whatever leftovers of Taef junk and have new political clean class who can take on building an institutional state; a first step to disarm Hezb

HA disarm begins with a legit state asking HA to disarm

imagine HA goes away while still having Berri Hariri Joumblat and geagea

shou bikoun 3melna? li sara2na henneh hol mesh hezb
 
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JB81

Legendary Member
Its not jnoun. They are scared of HA man and need him politically. They have no other real allies except HA.

Thank you for giving a testimony that Tayyar is not part of Manzoumeh and by extension HA

HA needs FPM as much as FPM needs HA

We are equal here and we are using Hezb backup to keep our presence in the governing because Manzoumeh hates it

They don't want FPM to be in the governing system. FPM is a threat to them

They never cease to remind us that without HA they would wipe us out

Teb, how do you want to disarm HA when the manzoumeh is still there and ready to wipe out every opposition to their militia rule?
 

flag-waver

Legendary Member
Thank you for giving a testimony that Tayyar is not part of Manzoumeh and by extension HA

HA needs FPM as much as FPM needs HA

We are equal here and we are using Hezb backup to keep our presence in the governing because Manzoumeh hates it

They don't want FPM to be in the governing system. FPM is a threat to them

They never cease to remind us that without HA they would wipe us out

Teb, how do you want to disarm HA when the manzoumeh is still there and ready to wipe out every opposition to their militia rule?

Nice excuse and FPM is not only part of the manzoumeh but the leading figure now in the manzoumeh. They have been the leading figure for the christian part since they went into the government.

So you use HA to protect your presence in the manzoumeh. very nice... nothing more to say here to be honest.

FPM isn't a threat to anyone brother. No one fears FPM. They feel sorry for their Ahed who couldn't accomplish one achievement.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
Nice excuse and FPM is not only part of the manzoumeh but the leading figure now in the manzoumeh. They have been the leading figure for the christian part since they went into the government.

So you use HA to protect your presence in the manzoumeh. very nice... nothing more to say here to be honest.

If we are part of Manzoumeh, why do we need HA to protect us :lol:
 

Apostate

Your will, my hands.
Orange Room Supporter
You are ignoring the fact that Taef militias who hijacked the state and turned it into a farm are 80% of the problem, while Hezb is 20%
FPM road to disarm HA:

Take out the Manzoumeh who gave us a failed state since 92'; bring a legit Institutional State; than HA will be faced from a true State; not by someone like gaga who is equally a militia, above the law, bloody, and a mercenary to a foreign country

HA disarm begins by voting all miltias out(Amal PSP LF FM MIKATI and so on). If you don't want to vote FPM fine; There is MMFD and other new comers who can be voted for(of course no Machnouq Harb Mawad ones)

It is outmost necessary to vote out Joumblat Gaga Hariri Riffi whatever leftovers of Taef junk and have new political clean class who can take on building an institutional state; a first step to disarm Hezb

You're ignoring the fact that HA won't let go of the "manzoume", names can change... but the same system and way of governance will remain.
HA benefits from a failed state, until they take over then they would work towards making a state on their image (simply they have their own institutions which will evolve into state-like institutions).

If you think HA will simply disarm willingly, you're in for a surprise... you're really ignorant of HA's ideology (no offense intended, seriously but you probably don't know the ideology of shi3a's ithna 3ashariya combined with wilaya lol).. I don't simply criticize HA for the fun of it, or for political reasons... I do for ideological reasons.
Ideologically they believe they're preparing the grounds for the Mehdi's appearance, for which they will be his army... so its religiously motivated to remain armed until that day comes... and in their riweyet they specify the "jound in sham" and "jound fil iraq" and "jound fil yaman" which will constitute Mehdi's army.
Even if Israel is wiped off, the kheljan regimes fell... it won't change a thing ... they will create new enemies to have the excuse of staying armed... their project and ideology isn't Lebanon or defending Lebanese borders. It goes beyond that.
So unless they're crushed, or their imam ask them to lay down the arms... they won't

Otherwise I do agree, the manzoume from Berri all the way to Hariri should be voted out of the political life... they're corrupted and ****ed our country and our lives... but you shouldn't fall into the trap right in HA's arms, since they also represent an existential threat to our country and our national identity and culture - and dare I say that FPM is guilty of empowering that HA project in Lebanon... and history will not be kind. Thats why FPM should do a revision of their decisions. Their leaders are not stupid - they know what HA is all about (PMA knew that pre-2006) ... but they preferred immediate political gains over long term country's survivability and identity - so they should be held accountable.
FPMers are educated and qualified to produce better national leaders.

The choice shouldn't be either HA or Manzoume (since they complete each other, manzoume selling the country for immediate gains - while HA allows that for his long term strategy)... the choice should be either a nation, or HA+Manzoume.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
You're ignoring the fact that HA won't let go of the "manzoume", names can change... but the same system and way of governance will remain.
HA benefits from a failed state, until they take over then they would work towards making a state on their image (simply they have their own institutions which will evolve into state-like institutions).

If you think HA will simply disarm willingly, you're in for a surprise... you're really ignorant of HA's ideology (no offense intended, seriously but you probably don't know the ideology of shi3a's ithna 3ashariya combined with wilaya lol).. I don't simply criticize HA for the fun of it, or for political reasons... I do for ideological reasons.
Ideologically they believe they're preparing the grounds for the Mehdi's appearance, for which they will be his army... so its religiously motivated to remain armed until that day comes... and in their riweyet they specify the "jound in sham" and "jound fil iraq" and "jound fil yaman" which will constitute Mehdi's army.
Even if Israel is wiped off, the kheljan regimes fell... it won't change a thing ... they will create new enemies to have the excuse of staying armed... their project and ideology isn't Lebanon or defending Lebanese borders. It goes beyond that.
So unless they're crushed, or their imam ask them to lay down the arms... they won't

Otherwise I do agree, the manzoume from Berri all the way to Hariri should be voted out of the political life... they're corrupted and ****ed our country and our lives... but you shouldn't fall into the trap right in HA's arms, since they also represent an existential threat to our country and our national identity and culture - and dare I say that FPM is guilty of empowering that HA project in Lebanon... and history will not be kind. Thats why FPM should do a revision of their decisions. Their leaders are not stupid - they know what HA is all about (PMA knew that pre-2006) ... but they preferred immediate political gains over long term country's survivability and identity - so they should be held accountable.
FPMers are educated and qualified to produce better national leaders.

The choice shouldn't be either HA or Manzoume (since they complete each other, manzoume selling the country for immediate gains - while HA allows that for his long term strategy)... the choice should be either a nation, or HA+Manzoume.

Their ideological reasons can be fought with other ideological ones... enno baddak put the gun on their heads to change them?

I told you the road map to disarm HA

if you have another plan that is close to reality I'm ready to listen

If tomorrow, your party got an absolute majority in the Parliament and ordered HA to disarm and HA refused telling you go shove up your a$$... what will you do? send the army to fight HA? The army that Shiites make up 40% of? what can you do?
 

flag-waver

Legendary Member
Their ideological reasons can be fought with other ideological ones... enno baddak put the gun on their heads to change them?

I told you the road map to disarm HA

if you have another plan that is close to reality I'm ready to listen

If tomorrow, your party got an absolute majority in the Parliament and ordered HA to disarm and HA refused telling you go shove up your a$$... what will you do? send the army to fight HA? The army that Shiites make up 40% of? what can you do?

La2 we don't want to place a gun to their head to change them.
But we want a Parliament and a force that can exert pressure on HA so it doesn't think it has free reign to do as it pleases on Lebanese soil which it has been doing since the election of Aoun as President.

For 5 years currently HA has done as it pleases from the fight in Syria to Yemen to cursing the Jarab countries to smuggling to drones to to to. It simply doesn't respect the Lebanese state nor its decisions. Even if you can't see it as it looks like you are an SSNPer as I said before that supports HA they use FPM as a christian cover and give you crumbs in the state so you are happy. They know you want appointments in the state and they please you by approving a judge or 2 to be from FPM.

Heck the main failure of the Ahed to make any accomplishments is due to HA. HA siding with Berri. Then making a big problem which got resolved after 6-8 months with the sunni opposition being in the government. Aoun spent 3 years out of the 6 just making governments buddy with one excuse after the other from HA and enta you still support them. Your a dhimmi buddy enjoy your status.
 

Apostate

Your will, my hands.
Orange Room Supporter
Their ideological reasons can be fought with other ideological ones... enno baddak put the gun on their heads to change them?

I told you the road map to disarm HA

if you have another plan that is close to reality I'm ready to listen

If tomorrow, your party got an absolute majority in the Parliament and ordered HA to disarm and HA refused telling you go shove up your a$$... what will you do? send the army to fight HA? The army that Shiites make up 40% of? what can you do?

History, and present, taught us that conflicts will always be manipulated and exploited by regional and international players. So no, I'm not in favor of any armed confrontation... but a political one, and ideological one (which you mentioned).

But that political and ideological and cultural confrontations do not happen by allying with them and empowering them... you get the political weight, govern, take advantage of regional politics to your interest - instead of being pawns to them - empower your army (and no, they don't ban arms from LA, you simply don't have money to buy lol w 3ayech 3al donations and u don't need F35 to have a strong army... hayye HA defeated Israel with normal weapons) ... thats why you need leaders who know how to walk through the thin lines of politics and regional conflicts and regional interests and turn them into their own country's benefit.
MPs shouldn't be voted in la yzaffto el taree2... its not their job...
Governments shouldn't be formed to take pictures and be called ma3ali el wazir...
Presidents shouldn't be elected to persecute tweets...
They're all real responsibilities to achieve what is previously mentioned, to do the tough job of internal and international politics.

The roadmap you provided to disarm HA is unrealistic... since you're counting on their own willingness to do so "once they see what a wonderful and strong state we have" ... let alone thinking that by allying with them, you will reach that result.
You should fight the manzoume with the full knowledge that HA is behind it... so u can't do that while allying with HA.

Its not easy, but its a battle that should be fought... because once we do some progress, HA's own base will join... everyone wants to have a decent life... not everyone is eagerly waiting for the coming of Mehdi/Messiah and the resulting armageddon of good vs evil... the majority wants to live in today's world.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
History, and present, taught us that conflicts will always be manipulated and exploited by regional and international players. So no, I'm not in favor of any armed confrontation... but a political one, and ideological one (which you mentioned).

But that political and ideological and cultural confrontations do not happen by allying with them and empowering them... you get the political weight, govern, take advantage of regional politics to your interest - instead of being pawns to them - empower your army (and no, they don't ban arms from LA, you simply don't have money to buy lol w 3ayech 3al donations and u don't need F35 to have a strong army... hayye HA defeated Israel with normal weapons) ... thats why you need leaders who know how to walk through the thin lines of politics and regional conflicts and regional interests and turn them into their own country's benefit.
MPs shouldn't be voted in la yzaffto el taree2... its not their job...
Governments shouldn't be formed to take pictures and be called ma3ali el wazir...
Presidents shouldn't be elected to persecute tweets...
They're all real responsibilities to achieve what is previously mentioned, to do the tough job of internal and international politics.

The roadmap you provided to disarm HA is unrealistic... since you're counting on their own willingness to do so "once they see what a wonderful and strong state we have" ... let alone thinking that by allying with them, you will reach that result.
You should fight the manzoume with the full knowledge that HA is behind it... so u can't do that while allying with HA.

Its not easy, but its a battle that should be fought... because once we do some progress, HA's own base will join... everyone wants to have a decent life... not everyone is eagerly waiting for the coming of Mehdi/Messiah and the resulting armageddon of good vs evil... the majority wants to live in today's world.

We came with Understanding with them because we believe they are part of Lebanese fabric no matter how ideological differences we have

What is empowering HA are Geagea like politicians who are equally militias and sellout to foreign countries

We need to create a bridge with HA as confrontation will lead nothing but to bloody end

How can you ask HA to disarm when you portray them as enemies? If you make them an enemy, don't you think that makes them more attached to their weapons to protect themselves?

FPM approach is Lebanese 100%, it is pro-understanding, it is pro peaceful solution to the weapons

kif betshoufo enemy and ask them to disarm and expect to tell you 7ader Sido? are you in your right mind? Don't you think it is better to build a state than approach HA in a brotherly way to tell them; we have a state now, it's about to be part of it and under it's wing

badna nrou2
 

Apostate

Your will, my hands.
Orange Room Supporter
We came with Understanding with them because we believe they are part of Lebanese fabric no matter how ideological differences we have

What is empowering HA are Geagea like politicians who are equally militias and sellout to foreign countries

We need to create a bridge with HA as confrontation will lead nothing but to bloody end

How can you ask HA to disarm when you portray them as enemies? If you make them an enemy, don't you think that makes them more attached to their weapons to protect themselves

FPM approach is Lebanese 100% is pro-understanding is pro peaceful solution to the weapons

kif betshoufo enemy and ask them to disarm and expect to tell you 7ader Sido?

badna nrou2

They'll not disarm because you ask them to disarm, wala li2ano you're friendly with them... they will smile at you and proceed with their project.

Solution is ideological and political battles, to convince their supporters that your nationalistic ideology is better for his well being than his religious one... fi 1.5M shi3a in Lebanon? how many are meltezmin in HA? 200-300k? others are just supporters and average 3alloush and 7assoun who wants to live... you need make your case heard in order for them to join the lebanese cause, not ally with HA and further empower his image... you need to fight that image and expose it.

Only way to fight HA is by breaking the monopoly of the shi3a street... by making the shi3a join the lebanese project instead of cross-borders one.
 

flag-waver

Legendary Member
We came with Understanding with them because we believe they are part of Lebanese fabric no matter how ideological differences we have

What is empowering HA are Geagea like politicians who are equally militias and sellout to foreign countries

We need to create a bridge with HA as confrontation will lead nothing but to bloody end

How can you ask HA to disarm when you portray them as enemies? If you make them an enemy, don't you think that makes them more attached to their weapons to protect themselves?

FPM approach is Lebanese 100%, it is pro-understanding, it is pro peaceful solution to the weapons

kif betshoufo enemy and ask them to disarm and expect to tell you 7ader Sido? are you in your right mind? Don't you think it is better to build a state than approach HA in a brotherly way to tell them; we have a state now, it's about to be part of it and under it's wing

badna nrou2

Nice understanding that raped the Lebanese state.
Your very naive if you think that HA cares about you or the state to begin with. All it cares as it is an Iranian arm in Lebanon is their priorities in the area. They are an Iranian parasite party who takes its order from Iran. Simply it was said by SHN himself. He gets his arms, his shelter, his clothes, his food from Iran. Your very silly if you think this MOU has any affect on HA and its strategic alliances and the proof is that since 2006 until now it has failed.
 

JB81

Legendary Member
They'll not disarm because you ask them to disarm, wala li2ano you're friendly with them... they will smile at you and proceed with their project.

Solution is ideological and political battles, to convince their supporters that your nationalistic ideology is better for his well being than his religious one... fi 1.5M shi3a in Lebanon? how many are meltezmin in HA? 200-300k? others are just supporters and average 3alloush and 7assoun who wants to live... you need make your case heard in order for them to join the lebanese cause, not ally with HA and further empower his image... you need to fight that image and expose it.

Only way to fight HA is by breaking the monopoly of the shi3a street... by making the shi3a join the lebanese project instead of cross-borders one.

We have to do our part first, it is to build a real state than approaches HA from a strong state to an armed group

You took away all their excuses, a failed state, we need to protect ourselves from Israel and so on

It's different to approach them as a State than as some foreign ma2jour like geagea

Build a State, 80% of problem is solved
Shiites will be the first to ditch HA
 

Apostate

Your will, my hands.
Orange Room Supporter
We have to do our part first, to build a real state than approach HA from a strong state to armed groups

You took away all their excuses, a failed state, we need to protect ourselves from Israel and so on

It's different to approach them as a State than as some foreign ma2jour like geagea

Build a State, 80% of problem solved
Shiites will be the first to ditch HA

I'm with you on that brother.
Of course we should build a state to convince their supporters of the alternative.
I'm just arguing that you can't do that by allying with them, they won't let you take away their raison d'être... you always see them backing Berri up, Hariri, Frangieh etc... for a reason... they want the manzoume to live and the state to keep failing.
 
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