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    𓍝𓂀𓄃𓇼

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    That's Teymour's Twitter. No such tweet.

    There's also no news source saying that.
    And there's no "Majles Ta2deebi" in PSP. We're not Hezbollah ffs.
     
    SeaAb

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    That's Teymour's Twitter. No such tweet.

    There's also no news source saying that.
    And there's no "Majles Ta2deebi" in PSP. We're not Hezbollah ffs.
    @Joe tayyar you're spreading fake news dod 2ekhwena l druze?
     
    Dark Angel

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    this guy should have been handed over to the appropriate courts, not to the disciplinary committee of the psp. what he said is dangerous, he admitted that the psp is preparing for a war, and should be thoroughly investigated by the appropriate authorities.

    this is not something yasser fa3our comes up with on his own, but rather under a directive from rass el 7ayye.
     
    O Brother

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    what an idiot...
    تسريب خطير لمسؤول في "الاشتراكي" يتناول مخابرات الجيش


    نشر بتاريخ Apr 30 2020 | 18:51 PM

    إنتشر على مواقع التواصل الإجتماعي تسجيل مسرَّب يعود الى عضو منظمة الشباب التقدمي أيسر فاعور، خلال إجتماع في منطقة راشيا، بمناسبة ذكرى تأسيس الحزب التقدمي الإشتراكي في الأول من أيار.

    وتضمّن التسجيل كلاماً لفاعور تناول فيه الأجهزة الأمنية، قائلاً: "الأجهزة الأمنية بما تمثل خاصة فرع جهاز المخابرات الذي يُدار شخصياً من قبل ميشال عون وحزب الله ويتصرفون وكأنهم ميليشيا شخصية لهم بإسم لبنان".

    وأضاف: "لا أدعوكم الى النزول لمواجهتهم فهناك علاقة قرابة تربطنا بهم، ومنتمين للمؤسسة العسكرية، ولكن قرارهم ليس بيدهم، وفي حال تعرضوا لنا لدينا كامل الحق بمواجهتهم".

    وتابع فاعور: "لدينا حزب يغطي عنا، وعندما ننزل بإسم الحزب الإشتراكي ونتصرف بأسلوب العنف لن نكون أفراد، إنما جماعات مسلحة في هذا المجال".


    وقال، "مطلوب منا اليوم كشباب تقدمي ان ننزل ونرفع الصوت ونواجه العهد، في أول مرحلة هناك شارع في وجهنا يرفض الجميع من كل الأحزاب، هؤلاء الناس عندما يروننا نزلنا بكل صدق وإخلاص تأييداً لقضيتنا، فإن نصفهم سوف يكون داعماً لنا، ومن المؤكد أن هناك جماعة أتت من خلفية 8 آذار فمن الطبيعي أن لا يكونوا معنا".

    وختم أيسر فاعور تسجيله بالقول "لا يمكن فتح حرب ونحن داخلياً مخروقين، لا يمكن ذلك وعدونا أمامنا، فالخصم موجود في كل بيت وكل بلدة، يجب أن تنزلوا بصدق نية لترى الناس أننا نزلنا بهدف، لا يمكننا في ذكرى تأسيس الحزب التقدمي الذي طمح اليه كمال جنبلاط ليكون حزب العمال والكادحين أن ننزل غداً بعقلية "الله ووليد بك"، بل وليد بك يطلب منا أن ننزل لنطالب بمعيشتنا وحقوقنا".

    bla bla bla
    وصدر في وقت لاحق عن منظمه الشباب التقدمي بياناً جاء فيه:

    "منعًا لاستغلال أقلام السوء والفتنة وأصحاب السوابق في نشر الأكاذيب واختلاق الفبركات من مخيلاتهم المريضة، يهمنا أن نؤكد رفضنا القاطع لأي كلام يسيء الى الجيش اللبناني والقوى والاجهزة الأمنية الذي لا يعبّر عن قناعتنا وثوابتنا، أما تحريف الكلام الصادر عن أحد الشباب الذي جاء رداً على بعض الأسئلة، فهو من باب التأويل غير الصحيح ولا يعبّر إلا عن مضمون الأفكار القابعة في الغرف السوداء التي تدير الحكومة وتسخّر لخدمتها هذه الأقلام المعروفة.

    كما نؤكد أن المسيرة التي دعت إليها منظمة الشباب التقدمي في راشيا غدًا هي مسيرة سلمية حضارية تعبّر عن توجّه الشباب في رفع الصوت بوجه الظلم والكيدية، ورفضًا لسياسات الحكومة الحالية في كل المجالات الإقتصادية والمالية والاجتماعية والسياسية.


    وإننا إذ نكرر التزامنا ثوابتنا المعروفة في التصدي السلمي لكل محاولات القمع والظلم، نؤكد ثقتنا بالمؤسسات الأمنية الرسمية ولا سيما الجيش اللبناني ونقدر تضحياتها في حماية البلد من نتائج سياسات هذه الحكومة وهذا العهد.

    ولهؤلاء أصحاب الوجوه والأقلام الصفراء والقلوب السوداء، نؤكد بقاء الشباب التقدمي في مقدمة معركة الحريات والنضال السياسي والاجتماعي والدفاع عن دولة المؤسسات سعيًا الى مواطن حر وشعب سعيد، ومسيرة الغد في راشيا هي محطة جديدة في هذه المسيرة المستمرة".

    Lets break it down and see what the man was saying
    And to be fair you have to listen to the audio and not just read it to understand the context of what is being said!


    "الأجهزة الأمنية بما تمثل خاصة فرع جهاز المخابرات الذي يُدار شخصياً من قبل ميشال عون وحزب الله ويتصرفون وكأنهم ميليشيا شخصية لهم بإسم لبنان".

    Isn't this well known about Mukhabarat el Jaysh and is being repeated by many ppl in the country?

    And clearly the actions of mukhbarat jaysh on the ground proves what is being said here is true?


    وأضاف: "لا أدعوكم الى النزول لمواجهتهم فهناك علاقة قرابة تربطنا بهم، ومنتمين للمؤسسة العسكرية، ولكن قرارهم ليس بيدهم، وفي حال تعرضوا لنا لدينا كامل الحق بمواجهتهم".
    وتابع فاعور: "لدينا حزب يغطي عنا، وعندما ننزل بإسم الحزب الإشتراكي ونتصرف بأسلوب العنف لن نكون أفراد، إنما جماعات مسلحة في هذا المجال".

    Now this here what is being said tells us many things,

    1. He is telling them not to confront them unless they attack us.
    2. He is confessing about PSP loyalist in the army obviously high ranking personnel (which is nothing new we already knew about this).

    وتابع فاعور: "لدينا حزب يغطي عنا، وعندما ننزل بإسم الحزب الإشتراكي ونتصرف بأسلوب العنف لن نكون أفراد، إنما جماعات مسلحة في هذا المجال".
    وقال، "مطلوب منا اليوم كشباب تقدمي ان ننزل ونرفع الصوت ونواجه العهد، في أول مرحلة هناك شارع في وجهنا يرفض الجميع من كل الأحزاب، هؤلاء الناس عندما يروننا نزلنا بكل صدق وإخلاص تأييداً لقضيتنا، فإن نصفهم سوف يكون داعماً لنا، ومن المؤكد أن هناك جماعة أتت من خلفية 8 آذار فمن الطبيعي أن لا يكونوا معنا".


    1. Here again he is confessing that some high ranking army personnel would come to their rescue in case something happens..
    2. And he is also calling to protest against the government and michel aoun without any use of force (if you listen to the audio this is what he was actually saying)
    3. he is saying that there are those who are indeed against everybody but half of these people would support them if PSP would truly hold to the "cause"


    وختم أيسر فاعور تسجيله بالقول "لا يمكن فتح حرب ونحن داخلياً مخروقين، لا يمكن ذلك وعدونا أمامنا، فالخصم موجود في كل بيت وكل بلدة، يجب أن تنزلوا بصدق نية لترى الناس أننا نزلنا بهدف، لا يمكننا في ذكرى تأسيس الحزب التقدمي الذي طمح اليه كمال جنبلاط ليكون حزب العمال والكادحين أن ننزل غداً بعقلية "الله ووليد بك"، بل وليد بك يطلب منا أن ننزل لنطالب بمعيشتنا وحقوقنا".

    Here he is clearly saying that they are weak and not able to confront the other side like HA & Co and whatever they have control over in the official institutions! So he asking PSP supporters to protest for their livelihood and rights!

    ----


    So clearly some of what he is saying here shows us how the LAF is corrupted as an institution and a real investigation against PSP and the LAF should be opened!

    But again he didn't say anything that wasn't already known or something that doesn't exist within the other major parties and he wasn't calling for confrontation with force against the LAF like many 3awniyeh are trying to make it sound like he was actually arguing against that unless I missed something!
     
    Joe tayyar

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    Lets break it down and see what the man was saying
    And to be fair you have to listen to the audio and not just read it to understand the context of what is being said!


    "الأجهزة الأمنية بما تمثل خاصة فرع جهاز المخابرات الذي يُدار شخصياً من قبل ميشال عون وحزب الله ويتصرفون وكأنهم ميليشيا شخصية لهم بإسم لبنان".

    Isn't this well known about Mukhabarat el Jaysh and is being repeated by many ppl in the country?

    And clearly the action of mukhbarat jaysh proves what is being said here is true?


    وأضاف: "لا أدعوكم الى النزول لمواجهتهم فهناك علاقة قرابة تربطنا بهم، ومنتمين للمؤسسة العسكرية، ولكن قرارهم ليس بيدهم، وفي حال تعرضوا لنا لدينا كامل الحق بمواجهتهم".
    وتابع فاعور: "لدينا حزب يغطي عنا، وعندما ننزل بإسم الحزب الإشتراكي ونتصرف بأسلوب العنف لن نكون أفراد، إنما جماعات مسلحة في هذا المجال".

    Now this here what is being said tells us many things,

    1. He is telling them not to confront them unless they attack us.
    2. He is confessing about PSP loyalist in the army obviously high ranking personnel (which is nothing new we already knew about this).

    وتابع فاعور: "لدينا حزب يغطي عنا، وعندما ننزل بإسم الحزب الإشتراكي ونتصرف بأسلوب العنف لن نكون أفراد، إنما جماعات مسلحة في هذا المجال".
    وقال، "مطلوب منا اليوم كشباب تقدمي ان ننزل ونرفع الصوت ونواجه العهد، في أول مرحلة هناك شارع في وجهنا يرفض الجميع من كل الأحزاب، هؤلاء الناس عندما يروننا نزلنا بكل صدق وإخلاص تأييداً لقضيتنا، فإن نصفهم سوف يكون داعماً لنا، ومن المؤكد أن هناك جماعة أتت من خلفية 8 آذار فمن الطبيعي أن لا يكونوا معنا".


    1. Here again he is confessing that some high ranking army personnel would come to their rescue in case something happens..
    2. And he is also calling to protest against the government and michel aoun without any use of force (if you listen to the audio this is what he was actually saying)
    3. he is saying that there are those who are indeed against everybody but half of these people would support them if PSP would truly hold to the "cause"


    وختم أيسر فاعور تسجيله بالقول "لا يمكن فتح حرب ونحن داخلياً مخروقين، لا يمكن ذلك وعدونا أمامنا، فالخصم موجود في كل بيت وكل بلدة، يجب أن تنزلوا بصدق نية لترى الناس أننا نزلنا بهدف، لا يمكننا في ذكرى تأسيس الحزب التقدمي الذي طمح اليه كمال جنبلاط ليكون حزب العمال والكادحين أن ننزل غداً بعقلية "الله ووليد بك"، بل وليد بك يطلب منا أن ننزل لنطالب بمعيشتنا وحقوقنا".

    Here he is clearly saying that they are weak and not able to confront the other side like HA & Co and whatever they have control over in the official institutions! So he asking PSP supporters to protest for their livelihood and rights!

    ----


    So clearly some of what he is saying here shows us how the LAF is corrupted as an institution and a real investigation against PSP and the LAF should be opened!

    But again he didn't say anything that wasn't already known or something that doesn't exist within the other major parties and he wasn't calling for confrontation with the LAF like many 3awniyeh are trying to make it sound like he was actually arguing against that unless I missed something!
    Inta 3am bit liff w tdoor from one thread to another to attack the Lebanese army. Your opinion and my flip flops sawa!
     
    O Brother

    O Brother

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    Inta 3am bit liff w tdoor from one thread to another to attack the Lebanese army. Your opinion and my flip flops sawa!
    Isn't this one the main topic of this thread at the moment why are u having hard time dealing with this?
    If you guys in this forum can not tolerate to deal with this and with my opinion which im trying to express to you in a respectful way then go ask for my ban.

    I do not worship this army nor am in blind love with it like yourself!!

    And this is not attacking the army.. not my fault that everything is corrupted in this country!

    All I'm doing is speaking against corruption here.. but you clearly want to defend the corruption and attack another whenever it suits you!
    Shows what kind of corrupted mind we have to deal with!

    Stop this baathi mindset.. it is just sick!

    Try be more open minded about things.. if you think I'm wrong then debate me!
     
    Joe tayyar

    Joe tayyar

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    Isn't this one the main topic of this thread at the moment why are u having hard time dealing with this?
    If you guys in this forum can not tolerate to deal with this and with my opinion which im trying to express to you in a respectful way then go ask for my ban.

    I do not worship this army nor am in blind love with it like yourself!!

    And this is not attacking the army.. not my fault that everything is corrupted in this country!

    All I'm doing is speaking against corruption here.. but you clearly want to defend the corruption and attack another whenever it suits you!
    Shows what kind of corrupted mind we have to deal with!

    Stop this baathi mindset.. it is just sick!

    Try be more open minded about things.. if you think I'm wrong then debate me!
    For more info, refer to post #89 of this thread!
     
    Abotareq93

    Abotareq93

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    this guy should have been handed over to the appropriate courts, not to the disciplinary committee of the psp. what he said is dangerous, he admitted that the psp is preparing for a war, and should be thoroughly investigated by the appropriate authorities.

    this is not something yasser fa3our comes up with on his own, but rather under a directive from rass el 7ayye.
    I think this audio was leaked on purpose by Joumblat no matter how much PSP denied. The message is delivered and that's what he wanted to say: if my empire built on theft, criminality and corruption will crumble, I am ready to drag the country to a Civil War.
     
    The_FPMer

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    I think this audio was leaked on purpose by Joumblat no matter how much PSP denied. The message is delivered and that's what he wanted to say: if my empire built on theft, criminality and corruption will crumble, I am ready to drag the country to a Civil War.
    It's a bluff. WJ lost bigly against HA in 2008 and knows that he has a very small margin of maneuver. Moreover, he needs a greenlight from the US to do take such a drastic move and no one wants a crisis in Lebanon at the present moment.
     
    Rafidi

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    Let's give Taymour a chance. He seemed to be different than his father.
    If he is different from his father, he should refuse to climb the political ladder through inheritance. Let him prove that he is against political feudalism.
     
    Rafidi

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    Lets break it down and see what the man was saying
    And to be fair you have to listen to the audio and not just read it to understand the context of what is being said!


    "الأجهزة الأمنية بما تمثل خاصة فرع جهاز المخابرات الذي يُدار شخصياً من قبل ميشال عون وحزب الله ويتصرفون وكأنهم ميليشيا شخصية لهم بإسم لبنان".

    Isn't this well known about Mukhabarat el Jaysh and is being repeated by many ppl in the country?

    And clearly the actions of mukhbarat jaysh on the ground proves what is being said here is true?


    وأضاف: "لا أدعوكم الى النزول لمواجهتهم فهناك علاقة قرابة تربطنا بهم، ومنتمين للمؤسسة العسكرية، ولكن قرارهم ليس بيدهم، وفي حال تعرضوا لنا لدينا كامل الحق بمواجهتهم".
    وتابع فاعور: "لدينا حزب يغطي عنا، وعندما ننزل بإسم الحزب الإشتراكي ونتصرف بأسلوب العنف لن نكون أفراد، إنما جماعات مسلحة في هذا المجال".

    Now this here what is being said tells us many things,

    1. He is telling them not to confront them unless they attack us.
    2. He is confessing about PSP loyalist in the army obviously high ranking personnel (which is nothing new we already knew about this).

    وتابع فاعور: "لدينا حزب يغطي عنا، وعندما ننزل بإسم الحزب الإشتراكي ونتصرف بأسلوب العنف لن نكون أفراد، إنما جماعات مسلحة في هذا المجال".
    وقال، "مطلوب منا اليوم كشباب تقدمي ان ننزل ونرفع الصوت ونواجه العهد، في أول مرحلة هناك شارع في وجهنا يرفض الجميع من كل الأحزاب، هؤلاء الناس عندما يروننا نزلنا بكل صدق وإخلاص تأييداً لقضيتنا، فإن نصفهم سوف يكون داعماً لنا، ومن المؤكد أن هناك جماعة أتت من خلفية 8 آذار فمن الطبيعي أن لا يكونوا معنا".


    1. Here again he is confessing that some high ranking army personnel would come to their rescue in case something happens..
    2. And he is also calling to protest against the government and michel aoun without any use of force (if you listen to the audio this is what he was actually saying)
    3. he is saying that there are those who are indeed against everybody but half of these people would support them if PSP would truly hold to the "cause"


    وختم أيسر فاعور تسجيله بالقول "لا يمكن فتح حرب ونحن داخلياً مخروقين، لا يمكن ذلك وعدونا أمامنا، فالخصم موجود في كل بيت وكل بلدة، يجب أن تنزلوا بصدق نية لترى الناس أننا نزلنا بهدف، لا يمكننا في ذكرى تأسيس الحزب التقدمي الذي طمح اليه كمال جنبلاط ليكون حزب العمال والكادحين أن ننزل غداً بعقلية "الله ووليد بك"، بل وليد بك يطلب منا أن ننزل لنطالب بمعيشتنا وحقوقنا".

    Here he is clearly saying that they are weak and not able to confront the other side like HA & Co and whatever they have control over in the official institutions! So he asking PSP supporters to protest for their livelihood and rights!

    ----


    So clearly some of what he is saying here shows us how the LAF is corrupted as an institution and a real investigation against PSP and the LAF should be opened!

    But again he didn't say anything that wasn't already known or something that doesn't exist within the other major parties and he wasn't calling for confrontation with force against the LAF like many 3awniyeh are trying to make it sound like he was actually arguing against that unless I missed something!
    Their leader is the biggest thief in Lebanon. Everytime you cook food using gas, you are feeding him and putting extra money into his pocket. Why didn't they protest all these years? They want to protest against a 3 months old government. or is to protest against Michel Aoun? Is Michel Aoun the man they voted for? Shu khasson bi Aoun? If they try to go mad, it would be extremely lovely and fun to see them crushed harder this time, whether by the army or by any other side. Jumblatt may need one more sa7soo7 before retiring from earth. Mish msalley 3al nabey.
     
    O Brother

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    It's a bluff. WJ lost bigly against HA in 2008 and knows that he has a very small margin of maneuver. Moreover, he needs a greenlight from the US to do take such a drastic move and no one wants a crisis in Lebanon at the present moment.
    Sooner or later the druze will explode as they feel or are being marginalized politically by the Chia, Maronite and Sunni establishments more and more..

    ye3ni they were main part of Lebanon now that position have decreased to almost nothing but a very small insignificant minority but I believe the Druze will always manage to somehow make a political comeback and they will always be important part of this country!

    Their leader is the biggest thief in Lebanon. Everytime you cook food using gas, you are feeding him and putting extra money into his pocket. Why didn't they protest all these years? They want to protest against a 3 months old government. or is to protest against Michel Aoun? Is Michel Aoun the man they voted for? Shu khasson bi Aoun? If they try to go mad, it would be extremely lovely and fun to see them crushed harder this time, whether by the army or by any other side. Jumblatt may need one more sa7soo7 before retiring from earth. Mish msalley 3al nabey.

    Ya he is one of the main crooks and corrupt of this country without a doubt..
    But for them it is not about corruption and never was about corruption!
    Their issue with aoun is propbaly for the same historical reasons they had issues with other Maronite leaderships in the past!
    The two have been many times at odd and tried to marginalize each others over and over..

    maybe the two being a minority have forced them to contest each others in this way at all times..
    It seems like they always want to have a say over another and rarely come to equal terms between each others!

    I think the Jumbalti family can manage as much sa7a7i7 as you want as long as the majority of the druze are behind and support that family!
     
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