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Questions for Hezbollah supporters

Discussion in 'Lebanese Politics and Breaking News' started by owsum, Sep 2, 2017.

  1. owsum

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    Man, free me from your garbage.
    First you joined the thread and presented us with a statement like this:
    Pfft.... Then you're replying to questions that I did not ask. Come on bro.

    Anyways, you say that you're strong, and I agree with that. You're probably strong military-wise, but it just ends at that. You're no more strong that your iranian role models, whose people live in shit, poverty, have no rights, censorships, woman discrimination and the list goes on and on.

    Truth is, you're the islamic (shiite) resistance IN lebanon, that's what your name yourselves, don't you.
     
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  2. owsum

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    I mean, how can you live with yourselves man.
    Your fertility rate is hilariously mountainous and you're taking over the country without the help of your arms. That's awesome, you're doing a good job. But here's a funny story: :dead:
    I have many Shiite friends, many of them complain to me on occasions: "Bro, you cities are way cleaner than ours bro" "I wish I can move to your areas"
    Others compliment me by saying "Man, I already knew you're a Christian" :bored: and I'm like: "Why... Maybe because I look clean and I dress well? :cool:"... (I'm not even christian lol).
     
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    S2al 7alifak 7abib l aleb l PM.
     
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    Have you gone to Haret hreik, Bourj El Barajneh, Shiyyeh?
     
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    من الطبيعي أن تفرزَ تغريدةُ الوزير السعودي ثامر السبهان الواقع اللبناني، بين فريقٍ مؤيّدٍ لها ويشعر أنها حقنته بمنشّطات في مواجهة الخصم اللدود «حزب الله»، وفريقٍ مرتابٍ منها ويشعر أنها لم تأتِ من فراغ، بل ضمن أجندة عمل كانت لها مقدِّماتُها خلال زيارة السبهان نفسه الى بيروت الشهر الماضي، وما رافقها من حملةٍ سياسيةٍ عنيفة على الحزب، وسيكون لها ما يليها حتماً، الأمر الذي يوجب أخذ الحيطة والحذر من خطواتٍ تالية تترجم المضمونَ الحربي الذي تضمّنته التغريدة ضد «حزب الله».
    بمعزلٍ عن الانتعاش الذي أصاب البعض في لبنان، وعن الارتياب الذي أصاب البعض الآخر، وعن اللغة الشديدة القساوة التي استخدمها السبهان في مخاطبة «حزب الله» وتوصيفه بـ»حزب الشيطان»، فإنّ التصعيدَ السعودي ضدّ الحزب استولد سؤالاً: لماذا في هذا التوقيت بالذات؟

    وإلامَ يرمي أو يؤسس هذا التصعيد، وخصوصاً في تخييره اللبنانيين بين أن يكونوا مع «حزب الله» أو ضده. وكذلك في وضع لبنان ومَن يتعامل مع الحزب أو يتحالف معه، في موقع مَن سيدفع الثمن؟

    التغريدةُ حالياً، على موائد التشريح السياسي، لفكفكة رموزِها وشيفرتها، وتحديد أبعادها ومراميها، وأهم من كل ذلك هو معرفة السرّ الكامن خلف لغة التعميم التي اعتمدتها حيال لبنان، والتوعّد بدفعه، أو تدفيعه ثمنَ ما يقوم به «حزب الله»، خصوصاً وأنها في الأساس سقطت على واقعٍ لبنانيٍّ هشّ في شتى مفاصله، ومرتجٍّ حكومياً، ومنقسمٍ على ذاته سياسياً، ومفترقٍ بشكل حاد حتى حول الأساسيات والبديهيات والأمور الأقل من بسيطة.

    الخلاصاتُ الأوّلية لهذا التشريح، أعطت التغريدة ثلاثة أبعاد:

    • الأول، يربطها بما يُحكى عن تسويات تجري حياكتُها في المنطقة، ويقدّم التغريدة كرسالةٍ مباشرة الى «الطباخين الكبار» بعدم تجاوز المملكة في هذه التسويات، والتغريدة تستبطن تأكيداً سعودياً غير مباشر بأنّ المملكة لا تقبل تجاوزَها، وأنها ما زالت تملك في يدها أوراقاً قوية يمكن أن تلعبها في أيِّ وقت وعند الضرورة.

    • الثاني، يربطها بالتطوّرات «الإيجابية» المستجدّة بين الرياض وطهران، مع لحظ تزامن تغريدة السبهان مع «الانفتاح» السعودي الإيراني، الذي طفا فجأة على سطح المشهد الإقليمي، وعادت معه لغةُ الكلام والزيارات بين البلدَين، بعدما تعطّلت هذه اللغةُ لسنوات، وضاعت بين المتاريس المنصوبة بين السعودية وإيران من اليمن الى العراق فسوريا وصولاً الى لبنان.

    وهذا التزامنُ يندرج في سياق محاولة تجميع الأوراق قبل الجلوس الى الطاولة مع الإيرانيين، والتأكيد المسبَق من قبل المملكة على الفصل بين علاقتها وتطوّرها مع إيران، وبين موقفها المبدئي من «حزب الله»، ومن سائر الملفّات التي تعنيها في الدول الأخرى. ما يعني ترسيم حدود «الانفتاح» على إيران، وحصره ضمن النطاق الضيّق بين البلدَين، ولا مفاعيل له على المستوى الإقليمي.

    • الثالث، بعدٌ لبنانيّ، يشرِّح مضمونَ التغريدة كما يلي:

    ¶ إنها تعبّر بشكل دقيق عن حقيقة الموقف السعودي من «حزب الله»، والصياغة القاسية لها، تندرج في السياق التقليدي، بل الطبيعي لموقف المملكة من الحزب المصنّف من قِبلها حزباً إرهابياً، وثمّة محطات كثيرة سعت فيها المملكة بكل قوّتها سواءٌ في الأمم المتحدة، أو مع اصدقائها الدوليين واللبنانيين لوضع حدٍّ نهائي لهذا الحزب الإرهابي العابر للحدود على حدِّ توصيفها.

    ¶ إنها تعبّر عن ضيقٍ سعوديٍّ شديد ممّا آلت اليه الحال في لبنان، سواءٌ على المستوى السياسي أو ربطاً بالتطوّرات الأمنية والعسكرية التي شهدها في الآونة الأخيرة.

    ¶ إنها تشكّل استكمالاً لزيارة السبهان الى بيروت ومناخ التصعيد الذي رافقها ضدّ «حزب الله»، وتؤشر الى أنّ لبنان مقبلٌ على مرحلة تصعيدٍ سياسيّ بسقفٍ عالٍ جداً.

    ¶ عندما تقول التغريدةُ السعودية أنّ لبنان سيدفع الثمن، فهذا معناه أنّ ثمّة خطواتٍ ستليها وجاهزة للتنفيذ. وليس مستبعَداً في هذا السياق، وفي فترات غير بعيدة عودة الحديث عن لبنانيّي الخليج. وعن تضييقٍ مالي واقتصادي حيال هذا البلد.

    ¶ عندما تضع التغريدةُ السعودية اللبنانيين أمام خيارَين، فهذا يعني نسف كل جسور المساكنة السياسية والتعايش السياسي والمصالح القائمة حالياً. فلبنان قائم حالياً في ظلّ حكومة ربط نزاع، ومساكنةٍ وزارية ولو بالإكراه، وتوافقٍ داخلي على تكييف الاختلاف والانقسام السياسي مع منطق التعايش والمساكنة الذي تمثله حكومة الرئيس سعد الحريري.

    وبما أنّ هذه الحكومة تشكّل مؤسسة المساكنة السياسية الأولى، ومؤسسة تعايش المصالح الأولى، فقد تكون أوّل المتأثرين والمعرَّضين لأن تلفحهم رياحُ التغريدة السعودية، وبالتالي فإنّ حكومة الحريري أمام مفترق، فهل ما زالت تملك القدرة على الديمومة، وأسبابَ الحياة والاستمرار ما يجعلها قادرةً على مواجهة نذر العاصفة، أم أنها ستكون أوّل هذا المستوى العالي من التصعيد ضدّ «حزب الله» ولبنان؟

    على أنّ هذه التغريدة في نظر مرجعٍ سياسيّ، جاءت من خارج سياق الأحداث الممتدة على طول المنطقة، وبحسب قوله: الذي استهلّه ممازحاً «أين جاءت هذه التغريدة على تويتر، أو خط التوتر والتوتير؟

    ثم اضاف: أنا أراقب الوضعَ في المنطقة، وخصوصاً المسارَ السعودي الإيراني الذي تطوّر إيجاباً ولو بنسبة ضئيلة في هذه الفترة، لا أقول إنّ الامورَ بين البلدين قد تُفتح على مصراعيها في القريب العاجل، إنما هناك خطواتٌ أولى في هذا المسار قد بدأت، ومن هنا أنا أحكم على التغريدة بأنها تعبيرٌ انْفعالي على أمور قد حصلت في لبنان، بعثت الإستياءَ لدى البعض، ورغم نبرة صوتها القاسية، إلّا أنها ليست من النوع الذي يمكن أن تترتب عليها مفاعيل كبرى أو نوعيّة تؤسّس لخلطٍ جديد في الأوراق.

    ولنفرض ان كان الهدف هو خلط للأوراق فهل هذا بالأمر السهل؟ في أيّ حال أراها تغريدةً عابرة، ولنراقب خواتيم الأمور بين السعودية وإيران فهنا بيت القصيد.

    ولشخصيّة وسطية قراءة لافتة لتغريدة السبهان، بحيث لا ترى ما يوجب إطلاقها، خصوصاً وأنها ستفتح المجال لبعض القوى اللبنانية بأن تضع التغريدة في موقع الاتّهام بصبِّ الزيت على نار الانقسام الداخلي وفتح حلبات الاشتباك على مصراعيها، وبأنها أي التغريدة تشكّل قرينةً بأنّ الحملة على «حزب الله» من قبل بعض الأطراف السياسية في لبنان، موحى بها مرتبطة ارتباطاً وثيقاً بالتغريدة.

    على أنّ هذه الشخصية تعبّر عن خشيةٍ تتملّكها «من دخول البلد في اشتباك سياسي قد تترتّب عليه تداعيات تتعدّى السياسي الى النطاق الاقتصادي والمالي، علماً أننا لا نُحسد أبداً على وضع ماليّتنا العامة التي تعاني حالاً من الجفاف حتى لا نقول أكثر».

    يبقى أنّ «حزب الله»، ورغم استيائه الشديد من المنحى التصعيدي السعودي ضده، فإنه يتعمّد الظهورَ بمظهر غير المعني بتغريدة أو موقف سعودي ملزم لغيره من أصدقاء المملكة. ولن تكون له مفاعيلُ انقلابية في الواقع اللبناني، وكذلك في الواقع المستجدّ في المنطقة.

    ولكن إذا كان الهدف هو الحكومة، فالكل يتضرّرون إذا ما لفحتها رياح العاصفة، بما فيهم «حزب الله»، كون هذه الحكومة تشكل أحد عناوين الاستقرار السياسي وغير السياسي، لكنّ أكثر المتضرّرين سيكونون في المقلب الآخر، وفي مقدّمهم سعد الحريري، الذي توفّر له الحكومة حضوراً فاعلاً ومعنوياتٍ سياسية وخصوصاً في بيئته التي يتعرّض فيها لمنافسة شديدة، جعلته غيرَ متحمّس لإجراء انتخابات نيابية فرعية في واحدة من مناطقه، لأنها غيرُ مضمونة النتائج رغم هذا الحضور والمعنويات المتوفِّرَين في ظلّ حكومة يرأسها، فكيف سيكون الحال، إن فعلت العاصفة فعلها ودخل البلد في أزمة حكومية هزّت الحكومة وكل تركيبتها؟
     
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    This is such a nonsensical tirade, what triggered all of this? :)
     
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    Kif stantajet min 7alife?
     
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    ma3roufe. FPM and FM are in the romance stage.
     
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    I'm pretty much familiar with the streets of Dahieh. It's such a tourist attraction with many places of interests like Bourj El Barajneh, Hay El Sulum, and Laylke.
     
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    I certainly hope this is a personal point of view, since a live feed on Facebook today by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs posted by Avichay Adraee seemed to be conveying a different message and a point of of view. Not to say that the point is not assertive about self defense and Israel's sovereignty. But it did not seem to want to threaten either Lebanon's sovereignty or the sovereignty of any other state unless the issue is related to Israel's security.
     
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    The so called HA are unfortunately the only strong Muslim force against the existing western hegemony on Lebanon.
    As much as I'm against HA and dislike them for their sectarianism and for other things but they are the only force in Lebanon for now that can fight against this western dominance.

    The biggest Maronite and Sunni "leaderships" are all part of a western agenda today in the country.. so the last thing we need is for the Lebanese Shia to join that camp as well!

    HA's weapon as much it was used against us and despite it siding in defense to tyrants against us or most of the time by playing along with the country's neo-colonial reality.. but it would be stupid to hand over this weapon.. HA must do many things like stop its sectarianism and not fight for tyrants who mass murder women and children etc.. but handing over their weapons is not it.. they should hold to it more than ever.. but again they should admit their huge mistakes and loose bit of their arrogance and tashbi7 wouldn't hurt them .. :)
     
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    Seriously now, how and why do you claim HA is sectarian? Because it intervened in Syria to help Assad? its Iranian connection? or its rhetoric regarding the Yemeni conflict, Bahrain, Saudi eastern provinces? HA stood by the Palestinians who are majority Sunni, did strike deals and truces with several Sunni militias in Syria to spare bloodshed, never committed any physical atrocities against any Arab or Sunni state or people..

    Its identity is Shiite true, but it never uses this identity to kill/destroy/takfir Sunnis or others. It happens to be Shiite, and IMO it follows an ethical code of conduct among the highest in the world. I seriously don't get this accusation.
     
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    HA is sectarian like everybody else.. not because they hold to their Shiite identity but because of many things.. like for example their willingness to go all the way to defend a tyrant who is basically changing demographics of the region on sectarian bases with the help of super powers!

    and fighting in defense of someone who is mass murdering women and children is not to be considered following "ethical code of conduct.

    The Flistin cause is not more than a label everybody love to use every now and then! But just look how far everybody is from that cause.. and honestly how stupid would it look if they would be against it just because they are sunni over there.. Al Quds is not a sunni cause it an Islamic cause..

    And yes the double standards of HA about who gets to be tyrant and who is not in the Arab world got sectarianism written all over it!

    But again this is true to both the Saudi and Iranian camps.. These two camps are not but a tool in the hand of stronger nations.
    Actually KSA is the worst of it all because they are bunch of defeatist who only care about keeping the saudi family in power and rarely willing to take actions.

    HA certainly got many good things they did in the past that nobody can deny them it but after the liberation of the south everything went south..

    Where are they from their issued open letter back in the 1980s when they were still young and not so arrogant like they are today?
     
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    While i do agree with you on certain points, i still do not see HA as a sectarian-driven entity. This is because I have yet to hear or see sectarian sentiments and instigation either in their rhetoric or in their functioning as a military force engaged in complex wars in more than one scene across the ME.

    I know your view on Assad and there are millions east and west who share the same opinion with you. The whole thing about the Syrian uprising (and the counter measures to thwart it) since the beginning were unethical immoral and wrong to say the least.
    HA got involved for obvious and objective reasons that concern it as a resistance entity. From the onset of the events in Syria, the Syrian "revolutionaries" were loud and clear about their goals, once they're done with Assad. This was uncalled for and emanated from pure hateful anti-Shiite militant sectarianism. They also said they have no problem with Israel and sought connections with Israel. They also made clear their intentions towards Iran and the continuity of HA supply routes.

    Almost all of those who carried weapons under the pretext of fighting Assad the tyrant, shared not aspirations for democracy, human rights, coexistence and liberty. Most of them shared hardline Islamist ideology that quickly evolved into an all out takfiri bloodthirsty head-chopping chaotic mess. Despite all that, HA maintained high ethics amidst all the madness and bloodbaths. Its adversaries disseminated tons of propaganda accusing the party of ethnic cleansing, rape, mass murder and execution. All major media outlets played this dirty game in an attempt to turn Sunnis worldwide against Shiites and discredit HA and taint it as nothing but a sectarian child-killing rapist killing machine.

    Please beware that I am in no way defending HA. I am just a person who like many in here got consumed by the Syrian conflict and has been transfixed on multiple sources, prime and secondary, from all sides checking their daily releases and vids. I also worked in geopolitical risk assessment for the MENA region since early 2012 and was exposed to tremendous amount of material on Syria.

    I am still yet to see a justification for accusing HA of sectarianism in the literal sense.

    Regarding arrogance, in all honesty, i tend to see HA as extremely humble for an entity that grew this big, and accumulated vast experience and impressive successes. Has it been any of the Druze, Maronites, Sunnis, or Amals with a fraction of HA's accomplishments, we would have certainly witnessed what real and abrupt arrogance is.

    HA are no angels and they do commit mistakes, but thank god its them and not any of the aforementioned with an upper hand militarily.
     
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    You must be kidding right!!
     
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    Again the Syrian opposition is not a one entity with one world view.. something which everyone is trying so hard to make it become for some reasons ..

    There are probably some Syrians who would call for a good relationship with Israel but these people got no popular support at all..
    things are for sure much more complicated than this and every groups got their foreign backup etc.

    For the U.S. it was never about taking down the Assad regime but only about weakening it to empower the kurds in the north..
    The U.S. are investing big time in the Kurds since way before the Syrian war and they are just continuing with this old investment.

    As much as you would love to believe that the opposition are friend of Israel they are not because that element of the opposition would be very, very weak and waste of time to invest in. But the Kurd when they get their country they would probably become Israel's biggest ally in the region.. So for now everyone is focusing on the Islamist because the Islamist are simply a threat to everyone and not because they are head choppers and anti democracy or whatever other BS the media like to focus on.. The problem with the Sunni Islamist that they do not have any true backers. The Saudis were never truly interested in backing them up since day one because they know that it would be their own throats on the line after that.

    The Saudis do not like to take risks that could jeopardize their ruling system and they seems to want hold the status quote for as long as possible while they are arming up for a bigger war but this same policy is probably what would make them loose this war eventually..

    anyway back to HA so I don't go too far out from the subject here. The HA and Assad regime relationship was deep since way before and Nasrallah more than once praised Hafez so if some opposition groups were against HA they were against them for a good reason and time proved these people were right. HA was always involved in this conflict and are part of it since day one against the opposition so how can anyone blame the opposition groups for being against HA here really?

    You can deny this is as much as you want but the reality is that HA is part of a sectarian camp led by Iran and they are fighting to protect a tyrant who are way worse than head choppers and who have killed way more civilians than the opposition and just look how the Assad and even the international Community had a clear agenda of displacing the Sunni Syrians so if all that is not good enough for you to see that HA are practicing in atrocities against civilians then nothing will be. Just because HA are very careful about their image and they rarely release amateur footage of their atrocity it doesn't mean they are not committing atrocities out there the fact they are fighting alongside with Assad is enough to discredit them.

    You know to be sectarian it doesn't only mean cursing the other sect publicly and so on.. what the point of a certain group who would say oh you are our brothers and we are all blabla while they are practicing in butchering and displacing people on sectarian bases?

    Take the so called Hashd al sha3bi they belong to the same camp of HA and they are practicing in the ugliest crimes against civilians in Iraq today why is HA not being against that? Is Hashd al Sha3bi sectarian and HA is not? HA have obviously matured up and is more professional while the Hashd are n00bs. but at the end of the day they belong to the same camp with the same sectarian agenda that nobody can deny.

    There are simply two camps the Saudi and the Iranian one... both can only play this game through being sectarian... this is what drive both these two camps... and this what makes the two a tool in the hand of big players for instance the U.S. armed both sides let it be in Iraq or in Syria.
     
  17. NMA

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    Never.
     
  18. joseph_lubnan

    joseph_lubnan Legendary Member

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    Chuck Norris never made such a powerful post! Lol

    The real question for the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon supporters is how about other Lebanese launching:

    The Christian Resistance in Lebanon
    The Sunni Resistance in Lebanon
    The Druze Resistance in Lebanon

    Getting external religious, weapons and money sponsor states, and using exactly your same rhetoric on you? Like your "Never" :)
     

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