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Vienna shootings: Three men praised for helping emergency services

Vienna shootings: Three men praised for helping emergency services​

Published1 hour ago
Turkeyâs ambassador in Vienna Ozan Ceyhun (C) meets with Recep Tayyip Gultekin (R) and Mikail Ozen (L), two ethnic Turks in Vienna who risked their own lives by facing a hail of bullets to help injured civilians and a police officer, in Vienna, Austria on November 03, 2020
IMAGE COPYRIGHTANADOLU AGENCY
image captionRecep Gultekin (right) and Mikail Özen (left) were invited to Turkey's Vienna embassy in thanks for their help
Three men have been hailed for helping a police officer and an elderly woman during Monday's attack in Vienna.
Recep Gultekin was shot in the leg while aiding the woman with his friend, Mikail Özen.
They also carried an injured police officer to safety after a Palestinian man, Osama Joda, gave him first aid.
Five people, including an attacker, were killed and another 22 wounded as firing broke out opposite a synagogue in the Austrian capital.
The man accused of carrying out the attack was a 20-year-old "Islamist terrorist" who was released early from jail in December, and shot dead by police during the incident.
Mr Joda, 23, was working at a nearby McDonalds, and told local newspaper Kurier that he was carrying goods into the restaurant when the attacker began shooting at passers-by.
Police officers walk at the site of wreath laying ceremony e in Vienna, Austria November 3, 2020
IMAGE COPYRIGHTREUTERS

When two police officers came to help, the attacker opened fire on them and one was struck by a bullet.
"I pulled him behind the concrete bench and tried to stop the bleeding," said Mr Joda. "There was blood everywhere."
The perpetrator fled after more police arrived at the scene, and Mr Joda then helped to drag the officer to a nearby ambulance. He was assisted in this by Mr Özen and Mr Gultekin, who are both of Turkish descent.
Earlier Mr Gultekin, 21, had carried the injured woman to a restaurant.

Mr Özen, a mixed martial artist and personal trainer, told Kurier that they then noticed the policeman bleeding on the floor after gunfire erupted.
"We knew immediately what to do, there was no choice but to help," said the 25-year-old. "Austria is our home. We would help at any time."
Police have not confirmed details of the incident, but Interior Minister Karl Nehammer told local media that the officer was taken to safety by Austrians with a migrant background.

"No terrorist attack will succeed in tearing up or dividing our society," he added.
Turkey's ambassador to Austria, Ozan Ceyhun, also hosted Mr Özen and Mr Gultekin at the Turkish embassy and praised their conduct.
Security has been tight in Vienna as police launched a manhunt for further attackers, and 14 people have been arrested after a series of police raids.
But authorities believe the gunman killed by police may have acted alone.
Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said the four who died were an elderly woman, an elderly man, a young male passer-by and a waitress.
It was clearly an attack driven by "hatred of our way of life, our democracy", the chancellor said.
 

SAVO

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the prime minister of austria did that back then to please their allies in the govern eho are extreme right wing (almost neo nzi ) before the scandal that kicked them out of the govern the so called Ibiza scandal ..
dont cheer up so much about this video ..interpreting politics à la libanaise ,.. which is far from reality ..
 

SAVO

Active Member
the palestinian guy , Osama Joda was already known for the pubblic because few years ago he was negated to buy a home in a small town near vienna , where the right wing mayor negated him the right to buy the house ..

now he is considered a national Hero !
 

Walidos

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Orange Room Supporter
This thread has become meaningless... we are now reading about electricity plans, nude pictures and all sorts of irrelevant rubbish... congratulations to the trolls for confusing the conversation in a web
of rubbish
 

Indie

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Vienna shootings: Three men praised for helping emergency services

Vienna shootings: Three men praised for helping emergency services​

Published1 hour ago
Turkeyâs ambassador in Vienna Ozan Ceyhun (C) meets with Recep Tayyip Gultekin (R) and Mikail Ozen (L), two ethnic Turks in Vienna who risked their own lives by facing a hail of bullets to help injured civilians and a police officer, in Vienna, Austria on November 03, 2020
IMAGE COPYRIGHTANADOLU AGENCY
image captionRecep Gultekin (right) and Mikail Özen (left) were invited to Turkey's Vienna embassy in thanks for their help
Three men have been hailed for helping a police officer and an elderly woman during Monday's attack in Vienna.
Recep Gultekin was shot in the leg while aiding the woman with his friend, Mikail Özen.
They also carried an injured police officer to safety after a Palestinian man, Osama Joda, gave him first aid.
Five people, including an attacker, were killed and another 22 wounded as firing broke out opposite a synagogue in the Austrian capital.
The man accused of carrying out the attack was a 20-year-old "Islamist terrorist" who was released early from jail in December, and shot dead by police during the incident.
Mr Joda, 23, was working at a nearby McDonalds, and told local newspaper Kurier that he was carrying goods into the restaurant when the attacker began shooting at passers-by.
Police officers walk at the site of wreath laying ceremony e in Vienna, Austria November 3, 2020
IMAGE COPYRIGHTREUTERS

When two police officers came to help, the attacker opened fire on them and one was struck by a bullet.
"I pulled him behind the concrete bench and tried to stop the bleeding," said Mr Joda. "There was blood everywhere."
The perpetrator fled after more police arrived at the scene, and Mr Joda then helped to drag the officer to a nearby ambulance. He was assisted in this by Mr Özen and Mr Gultekin, who are both of Turkish descent.
Earlier Mr Gultekin, 21, had carried the injured woman to a restaurant.

Mr Özen, a mixed martial artist and personal trainer, told Kurier that they then noticed the policeman bleeding on the floor after gunfire erupted.
"We knew immediately what to do, there was no choice but to help," said the 25-year-old. "Austria is our home. We would help at any time."
Police have not confirmed details of the incident, but Interior Minister Karl Nehammer told local media that the officer was taken to safety by Austrians with a migrant background.

"No terrorist attack will succeed in tearing up or dividing our society," he added.
Turkey's ambassador to Austria, Ozan Ceyhun, also hosted Mr Özen and Mr Gultekin at the Turkish embassy and praised their conduct.
Security has been tight in Vienna as police launched a manhunt for further attackers, and 14 people have been arrested after a series of police raids.
But authorities believe the gunman killed by police may have acted alone.
Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said the four who died were an elderly woman, an elderly man, a young male passer-by and a waitress.
It was clearly an attack driven by "hatred of our way of life, our democracy", the chancellor said.

The Turkish government is rewarding people for being helpful in a bad situation that the Turkish government (Erdogan in particular) created? How preposterous.

There are decent people in all societies, but that does not erase what Erdogan and his many supporters stand for.
 

SAVO

Active Member
Vienna Jihadist was put in jail and in the jail passed through a de-radicalization program..

well China is doing the same with its radical jihadist . the difference is that in china it works. in bourgeois liberal democracies it doesnt ..
 
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agnostic

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It is indeed a deaf dialog.

In reality, there's no problem between France and its system, on the one side, and the people who happen to be muslims, on the other side.

1. The French legislation and the French courts of law and tribunals don't consider that making and displaying caricatures of the Prophet (or Jesus Christ or any Religion) is a crime, in principle. The principle is the freedom of speech, which includes the right to criticize and also to caricature, within the limits set by the French law.

What could be morally wrong for some people, is not necessarily unlawful. Being rude, crude, trashy is not a sufficient reason to justify a legal condemnation (unless when directly insulting people).

There's nothing any French politician can do against this, unless initiating a legislative (and even a constitutionnal) reform, that wouldn't be tolerated nor welcomed by anyone here.

2. When a magazine displays religious caricatures, it's not France displaying those caricatures, but the magazine. It is always possible to sue the magazine if ever the caricatures could be considered off-limits.

3. All women can dress the way they like in France. There are veiled women everywhere. There are restrictions only in state-owned institutions (public schools, public administrations...) or out of security reasons (ie to identify people).

4. If people are unhappy with France, and want to boycott French products, they're of course free to do it. What they're not free to do though is to threaten French people and approving the heinous acts that happened.

0. Of course there are several problems in France with the Muslims living there. but this is another issue.

1. In the same way, it made laws to sanction BDS, Anti-Zionism speech like with the closure of Zahraa Shia Center, Revisionism (case of Roger Garaudy and Robert Faurisson), and also arrangements to maintain Georges Abdallah in jail, France can make laws to sanction the insult of Islam and Moslem. Caricaturing the prophet has no meaning without the message behind that is often to hurt the Moslems

2. To display the caricaturesat the facade of public buildings or to show to schoolchildren, this can't happen if the State and its representatives don't allow.

3. I still consider that veiled women are discriminated in France. But this is not the main problem between Moslems and France.

4. I agree with you. But also France should stop its aggressions and end its colonial politics against Moslem peoples over the world (Afghanistan, Irak, Syria, Mali, etc.)
 
The Turkish government is rewarding people for being helpful in a bad situation that the Turkish government (Erdogan in particular) created? How preposterous.

There are decent people in all societies, but that does not erase what Erdogan and his many supporters stand for.

How about we praise and thank those people who helped instead making it political.
 

JustLeb

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Orange Room Supporter
sorry to spoil your bias party with this


you are not spoiling a shit, I am among those who made fun about Powel when he was in the security council !!
It was known to be weak and fake.
Erdogan is threatening europe and I hope he will pay the price, one day soon
 

SAVO

Active Member
you are not spoiling a shit, I am among those who made fun about Powel when he was in the security council !!
It was known to be weak and fake.
Erdogan is threatening europe and I hope he will pay the price, one day soon

i will be fine .. erdogan might be a fanatic but he wasn't the one who started the war in iraq, and lybia and supplied terrorist in syia ..
i would distrust more imperialist regime like those in UK and France .
 
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