[Rumored] Lebanese Air Force to acquire Air Tractor AT-802U

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In response to the United States Air Force's LAAR program and the growing requirement for light counter-insurgency aircraft, Air Tractor developed an armed model, the AT-802U, in 2008, with engine and cockpit armor, a bulletproof windscreen, self-sealing fuel tanks, and structural reinforcements for the carriage of 9,000 pounds (4,100 kg) of payload.
A reinforced wing spar was certified for 12,000 hours of flight time, and the AT-802U was displayed in 2009 at the Paris Air Show. The AT-802 has also been used in counter-drug operations in the USSOUTHCOM AOR by the U.S. Department of State as a delivery vehicle for herbicides and defoliants over narcotics production facilities.

Name: Air Tractor AT-802U
Date to be delivered: 2016
Selling country: United States
Quantities Ordered: Unknown

Why is the Air Tractor AT-802U now getting all the media attention, as a potential target for the LAF ?

In mid 2014, the US was looking to provide Yemeni Air Force with Air Tractors in order to help them with their fights against insurgents. (source: US looking to furnish Yemen with precision-strike aircraft - IHS Jane's 360

Now, that the Air Tractors are ready for delivery, Yemen is at war and the US might have changed their minds fearing those advanced planes would fall in the wrong hands.
Looking for a fast solution, the LAF jumped in and is trying to shift the delivery of these planes to Lebanon.




Interesting to know

. Maximum speed: 370 km/h
. Range: 2,900 KM
. Endurance: 10 hours
. Service ceiling: 7,600 m

Armament:

. 8 hardpoints for up to 9 4,100 kg payload, including but not limited to:
. 1,100 kg 450 kg smart bombs
. 8 × AGM-114 Hellfire laser guided missiles
. 70 mm Hydra 70 folding fin aerial rockets
. 2 × GAU-19 .50-calibre (12.7×99 mm) gunpods

Compared to the Cessna we have, the Air Tractor is a beast and a firing machine, carrying up to 12 Hellfire missiles and up to 4 Tons of laser guided bombs/rockets.

Watch it live in action

Watch the first 1:30 minutes to see it performing and see what kind of capabilities it has

 
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  • baleha

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    Are not such types of planes even more vulnerable than Migs are to MANPADs?

    In response to the United States Air Force's LAAR program and the growing requirement for light counter-insurgency aircraft, Air Tractor developed an armed model, the AT-802U, in 2008, with engine and cockpit armor, a bulletproof windscreen, self-sealing fuel tanks, and structural reinforcements for the carriage of 9,000 pounds (4,100 kg) of payload.
    A reinforced wing spar was certified for 12,000 hours of flight time, and the AT-802U was displayed in 2009 at the Paris Air Show. The AT-802 has also been used in counter-drug operations in the USSOUTHCOM AOR by the U.S. Department of State as a delivery vehicle for herbicides and defoliants over narcotics production facilities.

    Name: Air Tractor AT-802U
    Date to be delivered: 2016
    Selling country: United States
    Quantities Ordered: Unknown

    Why is the Air Tractor AT-802U now getting all the media attention, as a potential target for the LAF ?

    In mid 2014, the US was looking to provide Yemeni Air Force with Air Tractors in order to help them with their fights against insurgents. (source: US looking to furnish Yemen with precision-strike aircraft - IHS Jane's 360

    Now, that the Air Tractors are ready for delivery, Yemen is at war and the US might have changed their minds fearing those advanced planes would fall in the wrong hands.
    Looking for a fast solution, the LAF jumped in and is trying to shift the delivery of these planes to Lebanon.




    Interesting to know

    . Maximum speed: 370 km/h
    . Range: 2,900 KM
    . Endurance: 10 hours
    . Service ceiling: 7,600 m

    Armament:

    . 8 hardpoints for up to 9 4,100 kg payload, including but not limited to:
    . 1,100 kg 450 kg smart bombs
    . 8 × AGM-114 Hellfire laser guided missiles
    . 70 mm Hydra 70 folding fin aerial rockets
    . 2 × GAU-19 .50-calibre (12.7×99 mm) gunpods

    Compared to the Cessna we have, the Air Tractor is a beast and a firing machine, carrying up to 12 Hellfire missiles and up to 4 Tons of laser guided bombs/rockets.

    Watch it live in action

    Watch the first 1:30 minutes to see it performing and see what kind of capabilities it has

     
    Jo

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    Are not such types of planes even more vulnerable than Migs are to MANPADs?
    Depends on the Mig type.

    For example, most of the Syrian Air Force dont have guided bombs/rockets capabilities, so they have to dive in order to attack and wish the bomb hits its target (hence the high number of casualties in air raids)

    The above, is equipped with guided missiles and smart bombs (watch the video above to know what i mean... first 2mins), so the plane dont have to dive in order to attack, it will stay high in the sky where most shoulder held manpads cant reach it. Of course, it will hit its target also better than the migs.
     
    Jo

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    Are not such types of planes even more vulnerable than Migs are to MANPADs?
    By the way, dont be fooled by the propelled engine, this plane is a beast for ground attacks.

    We are not looking for air supremacy neither speed or range, we are not launching from carriers and need 10k kms to reach our target, lebanon is a small country and can be covered by these planes easily.
     
    modesty

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    Depends on the Mig type.

    For example, most of the Syrian Air Force dont have guided bombs/rockets capabilities, so they have to dive in order to attack and wish the bomb hits its target (hence the high number of casualties in air raids)

    The above, is equipped with guided missiles and smart bombs (watch the video above to know what i mean... first 2mins), so the plane dont have to dive in order to attack, it will stay high in the sky where most shoulder held manpads cant reach it. Of course, it will hit its target also better than the migs.

    You can't say that most of Syrian Air Force don't have guided bombs or rockets capabilities, only some Mig 21 only but others the have plenty of capabilities like Mig 23, Mig25 and sukhois image.jpg
     
    Jo

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    You can't say that most of Syrian Air Force don't have guided bombs or rockets capabilities, only some Mig 21 only but others the have plenty of capabilities like Mig 23, Mig25 and sukhoisView attachment 4548
    Actually no, most of the deals above did not see the day of light. What few planes that got delivered were stripped from their guided capabilities ... for some reason.

    There is a video i saw of a Sukhoi doing a dive attack ! its either they came stripped of this ability or the pilots are not skilled nor trained.
     
    modesty

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    Actually no, most of the deals above did not see the day of light. What few planes that got delivered were stripped from their guided capabilities ... for some reason.

    There is a video i saw of a Sukhoi doing a dive attack ! its either they came stripped of this ability or the pilots are not skilled nor trained.
    I can assure you that a lot of syrian jets has this ability although the SAF lost a lot of its planes especially the MIG 21 and one Video is not a proof of pilot skills
     
    Jo

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    I can assure you that a lot of syrian jets has this ability although the SAF lost a lot of its planes especially the MIG 21 and one Video is not a proof of pilot skills
    Of course one video is a big proof.

    Why would a pilot do a dive attack with a Sukhoi ?
     
    Jo

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    The Syrian Air Force did a very good job keeping its old fleet active and maintaining regular flights all over Syria. There's no question about that. But then again the LAF flew its HH after being grounded for 30 years.

    And apart from the upgraded SUs your article is talking about which are less than 20, the syrian air force is doing a shitty job.

    The Syrian Air Force had hundreds of jets, 20 SUs cannot cover all of Syria and barrel bombing is not considered a good air force strategy.

    This is a wide subject here. If you want we can open a thread about the syrian air force performance and discuss it there.
     
    modesty

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    Iranian Fighter-bombers Operating in Syria

    March 16, 2015

    By Oryx



    The Syrian Arab Air Force (SyAAF), entangled in a bloody civil warthat will soon reach its four-year mark, relies heavily on Russia and Iran to keep attrition from diminishing its firepower. After having upgraded several SyAAF Mi-17s with armour plates and FLIR cameras, stationing Mojaher 4, Yasir and Shahed 129 UAVs in Syria and even providing an Il-76TD to the SyAAF on behalf of Syrian Air, Iran is now further consoldating its stake in the conflict by the delivery of ten Su-22s to Syria.

    These ten aircraft, part of a batch of 40 flown to Iran during Operation Desert Storm for safekeeping, were finally overhauled in recent years after idly standing around at Shiraz airbase for decades while their fate was decided upon. Initially regarded as “guests” and maintained only to keep them in good condition, they were formally put into Iranian possession in July 1993 but could not be made operational due to budgetary constraints: A team of Ukrainian technical advisors were contracted to overhaul the Su-22s, but at the time this proved to be too expensive for the ill-funded Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF). Instead, the IRIAF was to restore the ten Su-22M-3 and Su-22M-4s to operational condition without any foreign help by using other Su-22s and Su-20s as a source for spare parts. This programme only commenced in 2013, when the Revolutionary Guard’s Pars Aviation embarked on the task of bringing the first Su-22s back to operational condition.


    Back to the midst of the war in Syria, where the SyAAF fighter-bomber fleet continuously finds itself flying an increasing amount of sorties while the number of operational airframes continues to dwindle. The SyAAF, originally geared towards fighting a fierce but short war with Israel, never anticipated to get tangled up in a war of attrition between the pro-Assad party and its adversaries.As a result, all of Syria’s MiG-23BNs and most of the Su-22s originally destined for replacement in this decade are now on the forefront of the aerial bombing campaign against rebel positions and villages. This led to a decreasing availability of the MiG-23BN and Su-22 fleet, which in turn are grounded for weeks at a time to allow for some much needed maintenance for certain airframes, their role being temporarily taken over by fighters such as the MiG-23MF, MiG-23ML(D) and MiG-29.

    The fate of Iran’s Su-22s was also sealed in the meantime: The fleet was to join the Aerospace Wing of the Revolutionary Guards (IRGCASF) instead of the IRIAF. At least six Iranian pilots were subsequently converted to the Su-22 in Syria, and later sent to Belarus for further training on simulators in preparation of the introduction of the Su-22. The programme took a surprising turn after it was suddenly cancelled several months ago, and on the direct order of Khamenei, the ten Su-22s were put onboard Il-76s and flown to Syria. By this time, only the Su-22’s fuselages had been completely overhauled, and once arrived in Syria, the SyAAF completed the process.

    The first of these new Su-22s was spotted while bombing the town of Talbeesa, Homs Governorate, on the 9th of March 2015. The title of the video claims ”New type of warplanes bombing Talbeesa in Homs”. The aircraft donned a new camouflage scheme that appears to have been applied recently, and although it has not been seen on Syrian Su-22s in the past, it bears some resemblance to that of the SyAAF’s overhauled L-39s.


    The sighting of the aircraft comes amidst a series of discoveries about Iran’s increasing military presence and exports in Yemen, Sudan, Libya, Iraq and of course Syria, and follows a widely covered exercise in which a mock-up aircraft carrier was destroyed by anti-ship missiles and fast attack craft.

    The continued stream of military support to Syria shows the extent of the Iranian determination in their effort to support the Syrian regime, and once again shows how far the conflict is from finally reaching a conclusion.

    Special thanks to Tom Cooper and ACIG.
     
    Hameed

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    In response to the United States Air Force's LAAR program and the growing requirement for light counter-insurgency aircraft, Air Tractor developed an armed model, the AT-802U, in 2008, with engine and cockpit armor, a bulletproof windscreen, self-sealing fuel tanks, and structural reinforcements for the carriage of 9,000 pounds (4,100 kg) of payload.
    A reinforced wing spar was certified for 12,000 hours of flight time, and the AT-802U was displayed in 2009 at the Paris Air Show. The AT-802 has also been used in counter-drug operations in the USSOUTHCOM AOR by the U.S. Department of State as a delivery vehicle for herbicides and defoliants over narcotics production facilities.

    Name: Air Tractor AT-802U
    Date to be delivered: 2016
    Selling country: United States
    Quantities Ordered: Unknown

    Why is the Air Tractor AT-802U now getting all the media attention, as a potential target for the LAF ?

    In mid 2014, the US was looking to provide Yemeni Air Force with Air Tractors in order to help them with their fights against insurgents. (source: US looking to furnish Yemen with precision-strike aircraft - IHS Jane's 360

    Now, that the Air Tractors are ready for delivery, Yemen is at war and the US might have changed their minds fearing those advanced planes would fall in the wrong hands.
    Looking for a fast solution, the LAF jumped in and is trying to shift the delivery of these planes to Lebanon.




    Interesting to know

    . Maximum speed: 370 km/h
    . Range: 2,900 KM
    . Endurance: 10 hours
    . Service ceiling: 7,600 m

    Armament:

    . 8 hardpoints for up to 9 4,100 kg payload, including but not limited to:
    . 1,100 kg 450 kg smart bombs
    . 8 × AGM-114 Hellfire laser guided missiles
    . 70 mm Hydra 70 folding fin aerial rockets
    . 2 × GAU-19 .50-calibre (12.7×99 mm) gunpods

    Compared to the Cessna we have, the Air Tractor is a beast and a firing machine, carrying up to 12 Hellfire missiles and up to 4 Tons of laser guided bombs/rockets.

    Watch it live in action

    Watch the first 1:30 minutes to see it performing and see what kind of capabilities it has

    WW-II aircrafts impressive !!!
     
    HannaTheCrusader

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    3an jadddd.
    Have we no shame accepting it.
     
    Jo

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    WW-II aircrafts impressive !!!
    3an jadddd.
    Have we no shame accepting it.
    Hehe these 2 statements above show that your knowledge in new military equipments and trends is next to null.

    Im not going even to try and explain what makes this plane modern. I know you're not gonna get it.

    Just google and check who is ordering these kind of planes and where they are using it.
     
    Hameed

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    Hehe these 2 statements above show that your knowledge in new military equipments and trends is next to null.
    Im not going even to try and explain what makes this plane modern. I know you're not gonna get it.
    Interesting to know

    . Maximum speed: 370 km/h
    . Range: 2,900 KM
    . Endurance: 10 hours
    . Service ceiling: 7,600 m
    nothing needs explanation Jo ... it is all clear ... unless you eagrly want our army to fly anything, you remember when you made fun of MiG-19 and MiG-21 ????
     
    Jo

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    nothing needs explanation Jo ... it is all clear ... unless you eagrly want our army to fly anything, you remember when you made fun of MiG-19 and MiG-21 ????
    These are better than the migs 19 and mig 21 by miles.

    I dont have the energy to explain why. Ba3dein what does the speed of the plane have to do with our situation ? You compare planes/jets by their speed ?
     
    Hameed

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    These are better than the migs 19 and mig 21 by miles.

    I dont have the energy to explain why. Ba3dein what does the speed of the plane have to do with our situation ? You compare planes/jets by their speed ?
    YES I DO !! .... unless the army is willing to use it for extinguishing fires, you know the shilka ?! wlak even this machine gun on the toyota, will down this aircraft.
     
    Jo

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    YES I DO !! .... unless the army is willing to use it for extinguishing fires, you know the shilka ?! wlak even this machine gun on the toyota, will down this aircraft.
    You are wrong. The shilka can down a mig but not this.

    This plane will hit you without you even seeing it or hearing it.

    Let me explain to you why, Your mig has to dive and attack. It cant launch smart/guided bombs/rockets.

    While the ST or AirTractor dont have to get low in order to fire, they can fire guided/smart bombs/rockets from 7km or 10km up in the sky.

    The shilka cant hit it that high
     
    Hameed

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    You are wrong. The shilka can down a mig but not this.

    This plane will hit you without you even seeing it or hearing it.

    Let me explain to you why, Your mig has to dive and attack. It cant launch smart/guided bombs/rockets.

    While the ST or AirTractor dont have to get low in order to fire, they can fire guided/smart bombs/rockets from 7km or 10km up in the sky.

    The shilka cant hit it that high
    Radar detection range of the 2S6 Tunguska is 17 km and tracking range is 11-16 km. It is worth mentioning, that since it's introduction no less than four different variants of search radars were used. Guidance is performed by the gunner who uses optical sight. Reaction time of the vehicle is 10 seconds.

    hayda if they don't have any homing missiles like stinger or OSA, my friend you should know that the LAF is next on the list of Arab armies to be damaged and handicap.

    I will not argue the MiGs or the SUs
     
    Jo

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    Radar detection range of the 2S6 Tunguska is 17 km and tracking range is 11-16 km. It is worth mentioning, that since it's introduction no less than four different variants of search radars were used. Guidance is performed by the gunner who uses optical sight. Reaction time of the vehicle is 10 seconds.

    hayda if they don't have any homing missiles like stinger or OSA, my friend you should know that the LAF is next on the list of Arab armies to be damaged and handicap.

    I will not argue the MiGs or the SUs
    What are you talking about ya Hameed ? What radar ? Our threat is insurgents and terrorists ... They dont have Radars nor optical sights, they have shilkas and shoulder-fired misseles
     
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