Russia fires on and seizes ukrainian ships

sadek2010

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Three main findings of @bellingcat investigation.


1. Incident happened in international waters.


2. Ukrainian ships where moving away.


3. Russian ships were shooting to kill.
 
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    Russian Federation asks Ukraine to cancel the ban on entry for men
     
    Muki

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    @sadek2010 are there talks in Ukraine to withdraw out of NPT and restart nuclear weapons program?

    At one point, Ukraine was third largest nuclear power. Then they signed NPT in 1994...

    When you live next to a bear, you better have a rifle.
     
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    @sadek2010 are there talks in Ukraine to withdraw out of NPT and restart nuclear weapons program?

    At one point, Ukraine was third largest nuclear power. Then they signed NPT in 1994...

    When you live next to a bear, you better have a rifle.
    They don’t know how to repair their planes
    You want another Chernobyl
    Ha ha ha
     
    sadek2010

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    @sadek2010 are there talks in Ukraine to withdraw out of NPT and restart nuclear weapons program?

    At one point, Ukraine was third largest nuclear power. Then they signed NPT in 1994...

    When you live next to a bear, you better have a rifle.
    There is some talks about that, but I m against them, nuclear program is expensive and anti European , IMF wont Fund a country with such programs.
    Ukrainian army is enough to stop an invasion .
    Chechnia didnt have tanks and missiles and planes :) and kicked Putins ass, he put Kadirov “ Russian Assassin”
    Head of state .
    I m not afraid of an invasion
    Putin is *****.
     
    sadek2010

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    A reconstruction of the purposeful and unprovoked attack by Russia on Ukrainian Navy boats in the Kerch Strait and in international waters of the Black Sea. The sea battle on November 25 was a clear act of war by the Russian Federation against Ukraine.

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    Muki

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    There is some talks about that, but I m against them, nuclear program is expensive and anti European , IMF wont Fund a country with such programs.
    Ukrainian army is enough to stop an invasion .
    Chechnia didnt have tanks and missiles and planes :) and kicked Putins ass, he put Kadirov “ Russian Assassin”
    Head of state .
    I m not afraid of an invasion
    Putin is *****.
    I agree, Europeans won't want anything to do with country that has nuclear ambitions even against a very real Russian threat.

    I doubt it will come to a full scale invasion, but if Russians feel NATO won't intervene, it is always a possibility.
     
    sadek2010

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    I agree, Europeans won't want anything to do with country that has nuclear ambitions even against a very real Russian threat.

    I doubt it will come to a full scale invasion, but if Russians feel NATO won't intervene, it is always a possibility.
    Europe is weak , after UK chemical attack and they didnt intervene , Ukrainian dont expect any direct help. The strategy now with RF is creating momentum to change RF , this momentum is originating by pressure RF and put it undersanction so after Putin “he s not immortal” the next president will be weak and need to make compromise with the west cs he wont be able to deal with internal affairs
    RF system is created in a way that everyone is bad only Putin is good ans it s funny :) it s his cabinet of ministers :) but ppl think that only Putin is a gd guy :) i m just imagining how much the depression will be when he ll die .
    And it s a momentum . And it s easy to torn RF apart after this huge centralization with Putin.
    U need time. West is using anger management therapy with him.
    Soviet Union survived this long cs it take Ukraine as a republic . RF cant survive without Ukraine, and the last brick in the wall was the Tomos to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church .
    B4 that there was the language law, everyone should speak Ukrainian.
    Those are very important breaking points in Ukrainian Russian relation. 10 years ago no one could ever talk about them , even think that they may be accomplished , and those action even after soviet suppression wasnt errased from Ukrainian consciousness.
    RF is not a real country , at a moment they have to give back the land to their historical owners
    They started with the Kuril islands. They cant control everything everywhere.
    And soon there will be there US bases ????
     
    Muki

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    Europe is weak , after UK chemical attack and they didnt intervene , Ukrainian dont expect any direct help. The strategy now with RF is creating momentum to change RF , this momentum is originating by pressure RF and put it undersanction so after Putin “he s not immortal” the next president will be weak and need to make compromise with the west cs he wont be able to deal with internal affairs
    RF system is created in a way that everyone is bad only Putin is good ans it s funny :) it s his cabinet of ministers :) but ppl think that only Putin is a gd guy :) i m just imagining how much the depression will be when he ll die .
    And it s a momentum . And it s easy to torn RF apart after this huge centralization with Putin.
    U need time. West is using anger management therapy with him.
    Soviet Union survived this long cs it take Ukraine as a republic . RF cant survive without Ukraine, and the last brick in the wall was the Tomos to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church .
    B4 that there was the language law, everyone should speak Ukrainian.
    Those are very important breaking points in Ukrainian Russian relation. 10 years ago no one could ever talk about them , even think that they may be accomplished , and those action even after soviet suppression wasnt errased from Ukrainian consciousness.
    RF is not a real country , at a moment they have to give back the land to their historical owners
    They started with the Kuril islands. They cant control everything everywhere.
    And soon there will be there US bases ????
    Yeah, maybe no direct help but NATO/USA need to do something tangible. Like delivering a weapons system capable of targeting Russian warplanes/ships to Ukraine.
     
    sadek2010

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    Yeah, maybe no direct help but NATO/USA need to do something tangible. Like delivering a weapons system capable of targeting Russian warplanes/ships to Ukraine.
    Geopolitically and logistically for RF is more easy to invade than to NATO intervene , therefor they are building little by little defensive
    And sending weapons to Ukraine will make RF angry, so they wait for such “Kerch Straight” incidents to have an arguments for sending weapon.
     
    Dynamite Joe

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    Geopolitically and logistically for RF is more easy to invade than to NATO intervene , therefor they are building little by little defensive
    And sending weapons to Ukraine will make RF angry, so they wait for such “Kerch Straight” incidents to have an arguments for sending weapon.
    Because American power is on the decline. If that was pre-Putin era, there would be no discussion. Undoubtedly, America would have gotten what it wanted, whenever and whichever way. Fact is Russia is now able to withstand sanctions and other transgressions by the U.S. because it has China to sustain it. The Sino-Russian alliance is in fact starting to outdo the U.S.-European alliance. As China catches up with the rest of the world technologically, the stranglehold the U.S./Europe has on the rest of the world will cease to exist. Technological parity will actually make population size and territory more significant.
     
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    Because American power is on the decline. If that was pre-Putin era, there would be no discussion. Undoubtedly, America would have gotten what it wanted, whenever and whichever way. Fact is Russia is now able to withstand sanctions and other transgressions by the U.S. because it has China to sustain it. The Sino-Russian alliance is in fact starting to outdo the U.S.-European alliance. As China catches up with the rest of the world technologically, the stranglehold the U.S./Europe has on the rest of the world will cease to exist. Technological parity will actually make population size and territory more significant.
    Sweeden is making laws to put tax on trash that come from China :) by mail .
    and USA got what it want from China :)
    And china doesnt care for being world leader. Just economy.
    RF and china are not allies :)
    RF is chinese future territory :) it prepares it :) little by little
    I remember the 40 billion number numbers numbers deal signed btw china and RF :)
    It was a show of from RF :) cs chinese dont pay for something obsolete like a gas pipe from RF
    USA is the world leader.
    Putin will die eventually :)
     
    Dynamite Joe

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    Sweeden is making laws to put tax on trash that come from China :) by mail .
    and USA got what it want from China :)
    And china doesnt care for being world leader. Just economy.
    RF and china are not allies :)
    RF is chinese future territory :) it prepares it :) little by little
    I remember the 40 billion number numbers numbers deal signed btw china and RF :)
    It was a show of from RF :) cs chinese dont pay for something obsolete like a gas pipe from RF
    USA is the world leader.
    Putin will die eventually :)
    I'm sorry this has troubled and made you emotional. The reason for the U.S-China 'trade' war is because the U.S. is worried about the rapid rise of China, a force that can no longer be stopped. You are right China is not interested in being a world tyrant like the U.S., but it will defend its sovereignty and interests overseas. China is not stupid, strategically and geo-politically it understands the value of an alliance with Russia to counter-balance U.S./European aggression. Putin has run circles around the U.S. and set an example for the new regeneration of Russian leaders that will succeed him when he passes. The die is cast and the post-cold war era of U.S. domination is officially coming to an end; thanks in large part to Putin and the rise of China.
     
    sadek2010

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    I'm sorry this has troubled and made you emotional. The reason for the U.S-China 'trade' war is because the U.S. is worried about the rapid rise of China, a force that can no longer be stopped. You are right China is not interested in being a world tyrant like the U.S., but it will defend its sovereignty and interests overseas. China is not stupid, strategically and geo-politically it understands the value of an alliance with Russia to counter-balance U.S./European aggression. Putin has run circles around the U.S. and set an example for the new regeneration of Russian leaders that will succeed him when he passes. The die is cast and the post-cold war era of U.S. domination is officially coming to an end; thanks in large part to Putin and the rise of China.
    U really think u can make me emotionally troubled :)
    Technology will destroy china .
    Just think what would 1.2 billion population will do when there will be robotics :)
    Putin will die :) and as usual in all dictatorship the collapse will start .
    Even soviet Union had polit Buro
    Kings had sons or heir :)
    Putin has his mistress Medvedev
    That s why US isnt aggressive with RF .
    Putin will die and RF will be divided .
    Starting with Chechnya
     
    sadek2010

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    Ukrainian sailors captured by the Russians on November 25 insist that they be treated as prisoners of war in accordance with the Geneva Convention. They're refusing to cooperate with with the farce of an 'investigation' the Russians are trying pull off.
     
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