Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.

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As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.

By ANDREW OSBORN

MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.


IGOR PANARIN
In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."

Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.

But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.

A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.

"There's a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario -- for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.

Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces -- with Alaska reverting to Russian control.

In addition to increasing coverage in state media, which are tightly controlled by the Kremlin, Mr. Panarin's ideas are now being widely discussed among local experts. He presented his theory at a recent roundtable discussion at the Foreign Ministry. The country's top international relations school has hosted him as a keynote speaker. During an appearance on the state TV channel Rossiya, the station cut between his comments and TV footage of lines at soup kitchens and crowds of homeless people in the U.S. The professor has also been featured on the Kremlin's English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today.

Mr. Panarin's apocalyptic vision "reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today," says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. "It's much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union."

Mr. Pozner and other Russian commentators and experts on the U.S. dismiss Mr. Panarin's predictions. "Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people," says Sergei Rogov, director of the government-run Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, who thinks Mr. Panarin's theories don't hold water.

Mr. Panarin's résumé includes many years in the Soviet KGB, an experience shared by other top Russian officials. His office, in downtown Moscow, shows his national pride, with pennants on the wall bearing the emblem of the FSB, the KGB's successor agency. It is also full of statuettes of eagles; a double-headed eagle was the symbol of czarist Russia.

The professor says he began his career in the KGB in 1976. In post-Soviet Russia, he got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. He says he did strategy forecasts for then-President Boris Yeltsin, adding that the details are "classified."

In September 1998, he attended a conference in Linz, Austria, devoted to information warfare, the use of data to get an edge over a rival. It was there, in front of 400 fellow delegates, that he first presented his theory about the collapse of the U.S. in 2010.

"When I pushed the button on my computer and the map of the United States disintegrated, hundreds of people cried out in surprise," he remembers. He says most in the audience were skeptical. "They didn't believe me."

At the end of the presentation, he says many delegates asked him to autograph copies of the map showing a dismembered U.S.

He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.

California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.

"It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time." A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. "It's not there for no reason," he says with a sly grin.

Interest in his forecast revived this fall when he published an article in Izvestia, one of Russia's biggest national dailies. In it, he reiterated his theory, called U.S. foreign debt "a pyramid scheme," and predicted China and Russia would usurp Washington's role as a global financial regulator.

Americans hope President-elect Barack Obama "can work miracles," he wrote. "But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

The article prompted a question about the White House's reaction to Prof. Panarin's forecast at a December news conference. "I'll have to decline to comment," spokeswoman Dana Perino said amid much laughter.

For Prof. Panarin, Ms. Perino's response was significant. "The way the answer was phrased was an indication that my views are being listened to very carefully," he says.

The professor says he's convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union -- 15 years beforehand. "When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him," says Prof. Panarin.


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source: The Wall Street Journal: As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. - WSJ.com


As far as I'm concerned, we don't want Montana and North Dakota; we want Washington and Pennsylvania (scre.w the europeans and the chinese).
 

Danny Z

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Midwest will be a part of Canada, yes the bible belt LOL. This guy has no freaking idea about culture difference between canada and the US
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

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Midwest will be a part of Canada, yes the bible belt LOL. This guy has no freaking idea about culture difference between canada and the US

Yes, and in the mean time Russia is getting weaker and China is getting stronger ... Not to mention fragile situation in all of the Caucuses.

The biggest political calamity that might happen in 2010 with America would be that Senate and/or House will got red. Then again, even that might not happen.
 

Libnene Qu7

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Did he predict the end of the Soviet Union? If not, then don't waste your time with this phony.
 

Jorje

Legendary Member
The Bible belt is in the South East.

True, but South Carolina is very much part of the traditional South and part of the Bible Belt and would no way in hell join with Massachussets and then the EU, lol. The guy is a joke.
 

Frisbeetarian

Legendary Member
And who would retain the military armada? Will they split it up? Will it be the cause of the civil war?

A civil war? Against who? The Goverment? States against each other? If so whats the goverment to do? With whom to stand?
 

dodzi

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Actually Michigan will be part of the Arab League or under the Arab League influence, while New Orleans and Louisiana will be part of the African Union, or under African Union influence.

Also, there's a big chance South Dakota will be invaded by aliens!
 

Youchka

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Not that I take this seriously, but I bet that the same kind of jokes were made when someone talked about the demise of the USSR years before it happened.

You all just need to remember something, nothing remains the same, ma fi chi bi doum. The same way that the English empire ended, and the Ottoman empire, and the Roman empire, and the USSR, the USA empire will end one day, maybe in 10 years, or in 100, but nothing remains the same. This is what history has taught us, it is not my personal tfelssof.
 

Abou Sandal

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This not gonna happen.Ever!

No way we could let Japan or China take Hawai...Hawai Lana!
 

First2Strike

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Actually if you follow what is really happening in the USA today, it is very possible that the US might be broken up in the future. The US economy has completely collapsed and all of this is due to the FED reserve which is really a privately owned bank injecting worthless money into the system.
This economic disaster has been forecast by Republican Ron Paul and economists like Peter Schiff by they were dismissed of course as silly and crazy.

watch the following clips to get an understanding

YouTube - U.S. Economy : The Philosopher's Stone
YouTube - Ron Paul *OUR EMPIRE IS COMING DOWN!*
YouTube - CNBC Ron Paul grills Bernanke, traders cheering 2008.02.27
YouTube - MONEY becoming Toilet Paper Max Keiser Funny!!!




a report recently put out by the US army war college strategic institute is prediciting massive unrest in the US and purposeful domestic resistance. This is very possible when people in the US finally wake up from the brainwashing and realize that the biggest theft in the history of the world is happening.

here are some articles

World Tribune — Doomsday: U.S. report warns of 'strategic shock' leading to massive unrest

Unrest caused by bad economy may require military action, report says - El Paso Times

Ariz. police say they are prepared as War College warns military must prep for unrest; IMF warns of economic riots - Phoenix Business Journal:


just the other day, states were asking for 1 Trillion dollars in aid

U.S. governors seek $1 trillion federal assistance | U.S. | Reuters

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/02/AR2009010202322.html?hpid=topnews

The dollar is gonna be worth toilet paper .

the only hope America had was Ron Paul but instead got a fraud in Obama.


The dollar will be the mighty fall of the US empire. The states is currently borrowing almost 3 billion a day from china to maintain its empire.

Dump your dollar and if you live in the states brace yourself for the coming economic tsunami.
 

dodzi

Legendary Member
Not that I take this seriously, but I bet that the same kind of jokes were made when someone talked about the demise of the USSR years before it happened.

You all just need to remember something, nothing remains the same, ma fi chi bi doum. The same way that the English empire ended, and the Ottoman empire, and the Roman empire, and the USSR, the USA empire will end one day, maybe in 10 years, or in 100, but nothing remains the same. This is what history has taught us, it is not my personal tfelssof.

Youchka you are confusing the end of the American Empire with the collapse of the US as a country! The end of the British Empire did not make Britain as a country collapse!

Also, you have to take the different variables in account: the collapse of the USSR happened because the variables are different with those of the US:
1- democracy vs dictatorship
2- ethnicity: the USSR was formed by many ethnic minorities, and still does
3- history: the USSR was formed by the inclusion of many independent states like Ukraine, the Baltic states, White Russia, the little countries in the Caucasus like Georgia, etc., which were independent in 1917, but were forced to join the USSR under Stalin... The US evolved in a pluri-ethnic system to begin with...
4- geography: the US is geographically different from Russia. It has different neighbors, and is situated in a geostrategically safer area.
5- economy: let's not kid ourselves, the US economy had a crisis, it did not collapse. Crises are sure to happen every couple of years, that doesn't mean that the country will collapse! Besides, the US is still the largest economic power, even if it "collapsed"!
6- collapse based on what ground? Usually, when regions want to split, they have reasons to do so: see variable 2 and 3.
7- constitution of the US: the states are already very powerful and have a lot of autonomy... Why would they want to split?
 

First2Strike

Active Member
The economy will collapse and china will make its move. ON what ground you ask, on the grounds that the US dollar will collapse, the rich states will no longer be able to divert their money to help out the bankrupt states and will eventually want out. The housing bubble collapsed when china called some of it s debts. THE US is not a powerful economy as you may believe, all they do is borrow vast sums of money and consume consume consume. They produce nothing of value.

When foreigners own over half the national debt and you have nothing to back that debt up, when the US economy is in shambles, the US banking system is both dysfunctional and in failure mode, foreigners have the right to take control and they will just like the repo man repossessing a car
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Legendary Member
Actually if you follow what is really happening in the USA today, it is very possible that the US might be broken up in the future. The US economy has completely collapsed and all of this is due to the FED reserve which is really a privately owned bank injecting worthless money into the system.
This economic disaster has been forecast by Republican Ron Paul and economists like Peter Schiff by they were dismissed of course as silly and crazy.

watch the following clips to get an understanding

YouTube - U.S. Economy : The Philosopher's Stone
YouTube - Ron Paul *OUR EMPIRE IS COMING DOWN!*
YouTube - CNBC Ron Paul grills Bernanke, traders cheering 2008.02.27
YouTube - MONEY becoming Toilet Paper Max Keiser Funny!!!




a report recently put out by the US army war college strategic institute is prediciting massive unrest in the US and purposeful domestic resistance. This is very possible when people in the US finally wake up from the brainwashing and realize that the biggest theft in the history of the world is happening.

here are some articles

World Tribune — Doomsday: U.S. report warns of 'strategic shock' leading to massive unrest

Unrest caused by bad economy may require military action, report says - El Paso Times

Ariz. police say they are prepared as War College warns military must prep for unrest; IMF warns of economic riots - Phoenix Business Journal:


just the other day, states were asking for 1 Trillion dollars in aid

U.S. governors seek $1 trillion federal assistance | U.S. | Reuters

washingtonpost.com

The dollar is gonna be worth toilet paper .

the only hope America had was Ron Paul but instead got a fraud in Obama.


The dollar will be the mighty fall of the US empire. The states is currently borrowing almost 3 billion a day from china to maintain its empire.

Dump your dollar and if you live in the states brace yourself for the coming economic tsunami.

You live in Canada, I see.

Would you characterize current state of Canadian economy in the same way you do American?
 

First2Strike

Active Member
Would you characterize current state of Canadian economy in the same way you do American?

NO

listen at 4:41 http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8PIEGK0IbA4

david walker comptroller general of the United States

"that means that every American has an implicit mortgage of over 175,000 dollars each and each household has an additional implicit mortgage of 400,000 dollars each but unlike a typical mortgage there is no house to back this "

Which means they are broke
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Legendary Member
Would you characterize current state of Canadian economy in the same way you do American?

NO

Then there is nothing for American economy to worry since we all are tightly intertwined.

Do not get panicky. We all will get out of it just like many times before.

Every time you feel anxiety attack just say 'Y2K' and slowly count to 10.
 

First2Strike

Active Member
Then there is nothing for American economy to worry since we all are tightly intertwined.

Do not get panicky. We all will get out of it just like many times before.

Every time you feel anxiety attack just say 'Y2K' and slowly count to 10.

Canada is not surviving on borrowed money like the US, your deceiving yourself.

Look at the bailout just read this article
US asks Arab nations for $300 Billion to fund auto bailout

the US is running to the arab world begging for money for a bailout.

when you hear the world stimilusin the US just replace it with inflation cause that's all your gonna get, there is no stimilus, the government is broke, they are not capable of stimulating the economy and have no real resources. all they can do is interfere by keeping the money press printing more and more paper dollars which will create alot of destruction.
 
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