Parliamentary elections 2018 Sabaa new party electoral program

Indie

Indie

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#21
#21
We need to know where this party came from, how it was formed, who is backing and financing them...

Yesterday, I hadn't heard of them, today I see a professional video ad promoting them. They've obviously been planning for a while.

We also need to know what their program is and how they plan to tackle sectarian issues. They can't just offer empty "secularism" slogans with no safeguards for Christians, while the whole Middle East is being emptied of its Christian population.

Without the above, I can neither support them nor not support them. Too many unanswered questions as of yet.
 
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    joseph_lubnan

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    #22
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    Indie said:
    We need to know where this party came from, how it was formed, who is backing and financing them...

    Yesterday, I hadn't heard of them, today I see a professional video ad promoting them. They've obviously been planning for a while.

    We also need to know what their program is and how they plan to tackle sectarian issues. Thet can't just offer empty "secularism" slogans with no safeguards for Christians, while the whole Middle East is being emptied of its Christian population.

    Without the above, I can neither support them nor not support them. Too many unanswered questions as of yet.
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    I can oppose them based on the fact that they offer no real positions. They aren't a political party. :)
     
    The Jade

    The Jade

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    #24
    #24
    lebanese1 said:
    Again, you can't impose your perception of things on others.
    You see me playing the ostrich game, I see you as a fantasist who lives on a different planet.
    I am just opting for the most realistic choice that will give me the best results compared to others , while being aware that they will be not as fast and drastic as I would love them to be.
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    The sky is blue: it's a fact, not a perception
    Beirut council being investigated for the salim salam tunnel contract is a fact not a perception
    Beirut Council of which the FPM is a member, is giving far too many contracts to a single company: "Jihad el Arab" is a fact not a perception.

    Refusing to accept these facts is exactly playing the ostrich game
     
    Red Phoenix

    Red Phoenix

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    #25
    #25
    Like jade has said fpm has made its bed so it can sleep in it without my vote this time

    The last thing i want to do is support a party that has many of its followers thinking like other party followers in tribal fashion

    As for this sabaa new party, who the f-ck are they.. if i am allowed to be blunt here

    Very fishy magical appearance

    No thanks

    Not interested in putting my d*** in random glory holes
     
    JustLeb

    JustLeb

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    #26
    #26
    Indie said:
    We need to know where this party came from, how it was formed, who is backing and financing them...

    Yesterday, I hadn't heard of them, today I see a professional video ad promoting them. They've obviously been planning for a while.

    We also need to know what their program is and how they plan to tackle sectarian issues. They can't just offer empty "secularism" slogans with no safeguards for Christians, while the whole Middle East is being emptied of its Christian population.

    Without the above, I can neither support them nor not support them. Too many unanswered questions as of yet.
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    This is true I completely agree with you.
    However on the other side what do people have to lose ?
    All other parties are bunch of liars, corrupt, and wealth seekers.
     
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    lebanese1

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    #27
    #27
    The Jade said:
    The sky is blue: it's a fact, not a perception
    Beirut council being investigated for the salim salam tunnel contract is a fact not a perception
    Beirut Council of which the FPM is a member, is giving far too many contracts to a single company: "Jihad el Arab" is a fact not a perception.

    Refusing to accept these facts is exactly playing the ostrich game
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    I don't make my judgments based on one issue The issue is much bigger than this and we have completely different perceptions of it. For example, the below post that I wrote a few weeks ago and that you ran away from addressing back then illustrates it.

    lebanese1 said:
    1) Nice haribeh tactic
    2) I didn't give my opinion, I just reproduced your evaluation logic. You said Khatib is incompetent because he didn't repress environmental violations. By the same token, I concluded that Baroud is also incompetent for he never instructed the ISF to close illegal kessaret, never delt with illegal occupation of public properties, never did anything about the driving licenses distributed without exams, never did anything about the corruption in the "mekanic", never uttered a word about all the money spent on 2009 elections, etc. etc etc.
    Personally, I don't consider him incompetent because I am totally aware of the huge political obstacles that any decent minister faces and how difficult it is to achieve no matter how clean and competent a minister is. Conversely, it is YOU who refuse in all your posts to acknowledge this bitter reality, yet you allow yourself to evaluate Khatib as incompetent and Baroud as very good, although none of them produced any tangible result (knowing that Khatib has been in charge for 1 year and Baroud for 3). See where is the hypocrisy?
    3) you still have to list me 1 violation that Baroud repressed but you chose to run away again as you seemly don't know any and this confirms your double standards
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    lebanese1

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    #28
    #28
    JustLeb said:
    This is true I completely agree with you.
    However on the other side what do people have to lose ?
    All other parties are bunch of liars, corrupt, and wealth seekers.
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    they lose in weakening the good (FPM) thus automatically strengthening the bad who are fighting it .
     
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    Randomiser

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    #31
    #31
    lebanese1 said:
    they lose in weakening the good (FPM) thus automatically strengthening the bad who are fighting it .
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    Stop living in a fairytale, FPM are also a typical corrupt thieves ... But lets they are not, but they are and were allied with corrupt thieves so they are a corrupt thieves as well.
     
    JustLeb

    JustLeb

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    #33
    #33
    Suddenly I am having this thought.
    I am not a person who loves conspiracy theories, but suddenly I thought about Paula Yacoubian !!
    She is close to Hariri, but quit to go to Sabaa in order to run for elections !!!??!!!!
    As I said, suddenly, this seems weird to me.
    What are the odds that Sabaa is a party or a group created by other parties in order to compete with in the elections.
    Suppose the conventional parties usually take 60 to 70% of the votes which leaves 40 or 30% elsewhere which make a loss of 3 to 4 seats. But if those votes go to Sabaa (created by those conventional parties) then they reduce their loss to the minimum.

    This is just a thought, based on Paula Yacoubian and Ragheda Dergham joining Sabaa in addition to the interesting remarks of @Indie about the sudden raise and it's financing.

    It might be all wrong, but still there are unanswered questions.
     
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    lebanese1

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    #34
    #34
    Randomiser said:
    Stop living in a fairytale, FPM are also a typical corrupt thieves ... But lets they are not, but they are and were allied with corrupt thieves so they are a corrupt thieves as well.
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    FPM deals with the representant of communities in Lebanon. Otherwise, it can achieve absolutely nothing. Lebanon is like the security council where cooperation between components is a MANDATORY path whether they like or hate each other.
     
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    lebanese1

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    #36
    #36
    JustLeb said:
    Suddenly I am having this thought.
    I am not a person who loves conspiracy theories, but suddenly I thought about Paula Yacoubian !!
    She is close to Hariri, but quit to go to Sabaa in order to run for elections !!!??!!!!
    As I said, suddenly, this seems weird to me.
    What are the odds that Sabaa is a party or a group created by other parties in order to compete with in the elections.
    Suppose the conventional parties usually take 60 to 70% of the votes which leaves 40 or 30% elsewhere which make a loss of 3 to 4 seats. But if those votes go to Sabaa (created by those conventional parties) then they reduce their loss to the minimum.

    This is just a thought, based on Paula Yacoubian and Ragheda Dergham joining Sabaa in addition to the interesting remarks of @Indie about the sudden raise and it's financing.

    It might be all wrong, but still there are unanswered questions.
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    remembee they ley7a wasatiyyeh in 2009? :D
     
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    Randomiser

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    #38
    #38
    lebanese1 said:
    FPM deals with the representant of communities in Lebanon. Otherwise, it can achieve absolutely nothing. Lebanon is like the security council where cooperation between components is a MANDATORY path whether they like or hate each other.
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    No corrupt thief is a representative of a community, and yeah what you said a mandatory path to get seats in government and share of the "prizes"...
     
    SeaAb

    SeaAb

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    #39
    #39
    I read last week on lebanondebate.com that Sab3a are in talks with Nawfal Daou to get him to join their lists. Can't seem to find the article now. If someone else does, please post it here.
     
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