Opinion Sexual harrassement/assault

[Isabella]

Since this subject seems to be at the forefront lately with the #metoo movement and is being discussed in a lot of threads I thought it's about time it got a thread dedicated to it!

To start things off I stumbled upon this article :

Pastor Andy Savage gets standing ovation after admitting to "sexual incident" with teen 20 years ago - CBS News

This pastor sexually assaulted a woman when he was 22, she went public with her story on a Christian blog and when this guy realised he could no longer hide his crime he decides to come out, refers to his sexual assault as "sexual incident", apologizes and asks for forgiveness!

I don't think he deserves a standing ovation from his church nor do I think his victim deserves to be told that "she hasn't found peace yet" if she refused to take his insincere "apology"! What I think he actually deserves is to go on trial for his crime and get a conviction! And honestly this is the kind of "christian" behaviour that makes people question Christianity as a whole!

But seriously what do you think about this incident in particular? The #metoo movement more generally? And what can be done to minimize sexual harrassement/assault?

 

[Indie]

If people conflate what some Christians do with actual Christianity, they have little understanding and faith.

This thread is a continuation of last night's debate, in another thread, in which you: made a claim about religious people that you did not provide evidence for, even after being specifically asked; you willfully misrepresented what someone posted, and continued to do so even after being told you had not understood the post; you rudely and aggressively attacked another member for liking the aforementioned post.

When told that, from the beginning, it was not clarification that you were seeking, you smuggly agreed.

This is simply you looking for a reaction and an outlet to vent your frustrations, like yesterday.

You are baiting people into a "conversation" you know will lead nowhere, because you are not actually interested in what they have to say. You want to twist their words to mean what you want them to mean, so that you can then have an excuse to let loose on them with vulgar and aggressive posts.

 

[Walidos]

Priest or not, he committed a crime and confessed, and should face justice... the fact that he confessed is a great thing. Religion has nothing to do with this story.

On a side note, 2 recent porn threads get significantly more traffic than this? Walaw!

 

[Isabella]

Priest or not, he committed a crime and confessed, and should face justice... the fact that he confessed is a great thing. Religion has nothing to do with this story.

On a side note, 2 recent porn threads get significantly more traffic than this? Walaw!

It's not that he confessed, it's that he freaking confessed asked for forgiveness and got applause instead of actual punishment! The guy is guilty he said it himself yet his victim is getting the blame for not being able to forgive him!

Side note this thread actually started in one of the porn threads lol

 

[Isabella]

If people conflate what some Christians do with actual Christianity, they have little understanding and faith.

This thread is a continuation of last night's debate, in another thread, in which you: made a claim about religious people that you did not provide evidence for, even after being specifically asked; you willfully misrepresented what someone posted, and continued to do so even after being told you had not understood the post; you rudely and aggressively attacked another member for liking the aforementioned post.

When told that, from the beginning, it was not clarification that you were seeking, you smuggly agreed.

This is simply you looking for a reaction and an outlet to vent your frustrations, like yesterday.

You are baiting people into a "conversation" you know will lead nowhere, because you are not actually interested in what they have to say. You want to twist their words to mean what you want them to mean, so that you can then have an excuse to let loose on them with vulgar and aggressive posts.

Right indie go read the posts again, your replies and what was discussed! I'm not interested in going around in circles with you about something incredibly petty! That discussion began as a serious discussion and ended with a steaming pile of bullshit!

I opened this thread for a specific reason and to discuss a serious subject regardless of your biases against me! I'm not the subject here... You want to discuss the topic at hand feel free to do so, if not well ignoring the thread is incredibly easy!

By the way what actually ended for me was me holding you to a higher standard! See I used to get pissed off when you agree with something insulting because you were better than that in my opinion, you're not anymore so you're good to go , to put it in simple terms: I was disappointed in you last night, I expected better, that's why you were confronted and when cornered you were the one who lashed out until I told you to get over yourself! I agreed that I did not need your explanation because I realised I was in the wrong with the impression I had of you and that's where it ended!

You want to absolve yourself of your side of the argument and blame it all on me be my guest! But stay away from my threads in the future, or at least try not to be confrontational if you're not looking for a confrontation!

 

[Dark Angel]

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I don't think he deserves a standing ovation from his church nor do I think his victim deserves to be told that "she hasn't found peace yet" if she refused to take his insincere "apology"! What I think he actually deserves is to go on trial for his crime and get a conviction! And honestly this is the kind of "christian" behaviour that makes people question Christianity as a whole!

But seriously what do you think about this incident in particular? The #metoo movement more generally? And what can be done to minimize sexual harrassement/assault?

i am not exactly sure what you are trying to characterize as Christian behavior here. the fact that he apologized? or do you think that in Christianity an apology is enough and grants a person protection from facing the consequences in a court of law? and this makes you question Christianity as a whole?

so there is nothing really to question here, except your eagerness to tie this thing up to Christianity in so many different shapes and ways.

let's treat this the same way you treat rapes by immigrants in europe, this will surely minimize sexual harassment/assault.


keep up the good work, and keep questioning Christianity as a whole. brilliant.

 

[!Aoune32]

Any person priests or not who does a crime should be punished.

 

[Isabella]

i am not exactly sure what you are trying to characterize as Christian behavior here. the fact that he apologized? or do you think that in Christianity an apology is enough and grants a person protection from facing the consequences in a court of law? and this makes you question Christianity as a whole?

so there is nothing really to question here, except your eagerness to tie this thing up to Christianity in so many different shapes and ways.

let's treat this the same way you treat rapes by immigrants in europe, this will surely minimize sexual harassment/assault.


keep up the good work, and keep questioning Christianity as a whole. brilliant.

I'm not trying to tie anything up with Christianity as evidenced by the questions I asked and what I wanted the discussion to be about rather than the opening article!

But yes let's discuss this particular incident, the way it was handled by the church, who applauded the predator, the predator who thought an apology was enough to make up for assaulting someone and minimising his crime in the process and everything that comes along with it is objectively and morally reprehensible!

I'm not interested in turning this thread in particular into another religious debate, I'm actually no.longer interested in discussing religion as evidenced by the fact I do not post in the deep into threads... What I am disgusted by and the reason I put Christian in quotations is that this kind of behaviour is not and should never be the "Christian thing to do" congregations should not congratulate their pastors for committing a crime and then asking for forgiveness and that's it he's absolved there also is such a thing as repentance lol! Or at least showing remorse! The only remorse shown in this case is after he got caught!

And yes this is the kind of behaviour that makes people question Christianity! This along with years of coverups of sexual assaults! Christians actual Christians should be the first to blow the lid on this kind of behaviour, not the same people who turn a blind eye to it and blame the victims!

But once again I'm not interested in a religious debate, and I already asked for the thread to be closed since it was already derailed by an irrelevant confrontation... If it remains open I don't particularly want to attack Christianity, it's this one incident that caused immediate outrage in me!