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Picasso

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Israel is a success in Hi Tech and it is a small country like Lebanon. How hard it is for Lebanon to become the same?

In that line, and though I am not knowledgeable enough in the field, but you see companies buying software like SAP or Oracle for millions of dollars. And those products are indispensable, how plausible it is to focus on the field, since a small overpopulated country will not have vast lands in the future for agriculture, unless we go for alternative options like Singapore. If that was hard to achieve (Singapore), we can invest in irrigation systems, a country like India needs Israel in that field due to water shortages.

Another example of another sector, companies in the US can make billions out of Star Wars toys and Disney theme parks around the world, or Spiderman, Batman, Abou Khodor man, who knows man suits etc. what are the chances for the Lebanese Cinema and companies to invest in that direction targeting the Arab market, getting inspiration from Arab History.
 
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well Israel is not just good in high tech ; they are excellent in agriculture as well! Have a look at the Israeli fields from south Lebanon!

BTW back in europe they used to sell Lebanese Baba Ghanouj and Homos fresh from Israel :mad:

Israeli avocado used to flood the markets as well!

We should improve our products and try to export some to EU.

Look at all the talk about Quinoa I'm sure that Burghul and Frik as as much if not more important! We need to work on our Lebanese cuisine and try to export it!

In France they do their Tabouleh using couscous; they should know that Tabouleh is done with Burghul Baladeh ne3im not with Couscous!

We can also work on spices! Ti7wijeh el kibeh costs nothing but the proper ingredient and the mix together do wonders to meat, potato; tomatoes and many others.

However to export to EU you need quality!

As for the High tech and alternative power sources; the keyword are Universities; Research and Education.
 
Bulgur vs Quinoa

Go for Bulgur; you know you can make a very simple dish using Bulgur khishin cooked same as rice (lebanese way) and have yogurt on top (again lebanese full fat yogurt)

It is really delicious; the flavour of cooked Bulgur is great; and the yogurt will make up the lower amount of protein.
 

Rafidi

Legendary Member
To fix any economy in my view means one thing: to produce what you consume. If you dont produce what you consume, you will be held hostage to other countries. The same would apply even in a microeconomic sense at home. If you don't cook at home, your children will either be forced to beg from others or to buy from others. We can afford to depend on delivery from Kababji or the likes. But imagine if the delivery of food is from a Turkish, Egyptian, Saudi or Jordanian outlet.

How do we fix the economy of Lebanon? You can't have major industries, especially multinational corporations moving to Lebanon, if your power sector is epileptic. No one will come to Lebanon. Instead, they will move to Lebanon or Turkey.

Each time you buy a drug produced by a foreign corporation and made in a neighboring country like Jordan, Turkey or Egypt, you are paying the salaries of Egyptians, Turks and Jordanians. You are feeding the populations of other countries and keeping them employed.

We need our government to fix whatever facilitates the relocation of major foreign corporations to Lebanon, like the power sector. Then, meet the CEOs of these corporations and strike a bargain with them. Lebanese are industrious, learned and qualified for the job. We have the manpower as Lebanese. Give a monopoly to any foreign corporation that is ready to move and establish an office, a branch, a factory etc in Lebanon and ban the other corporations. Let them produce in Lebanon. Or, alternatively, for patronizing their products produced in neighboring countries, these corporations must employ Lebanese youths in a way proportionate to our consumption of their products. Let there be a ratio or employer quota that are Lebanese. You have corporations like Unilever, SmithKline etc. You have car companies like Kia and Toyota that make much money in Lebanon. Every house in Lebanon has a car or two at least. These car companies can couple their vehicles in Lebanon. Lebanon can be an economic hub for other countries. We can use out strategic location as windows to Africa, Europe, the Americas through the Mediterranean. It is cheaper for Toyota to ship cars from Lebanon to Africa, than from the US, Canada or Brazil. We have a more liberal culture compared to other countries in the region .

We are a big consumer nation. We consume much even as a small country. When regional countries tell us that they have hundreds of thousands of Lebanese employees, we should tell them that we also patronize their products. I have seen chocolates, cakes, sweets, etc produced in Turkey and Egypt. Why should we buy sweets and chocolates from these countries? What happens to Gandour products? Why cant Mars, Snickers and Twix be produced in Egypt and not in Lebanon. Our government should ban such products, if there exist their alternatives produced in Lebanon or if their manufacturers refuse to have a branch in Lebanon or patronize Lebanese employees. The central bank should not issue foreign exchange to businesses that want to import items whose alternatives are produced here. And I as a Lebanese consumer will and should not patronize chocolates, biscuits, sweets, medicines etc if there are alternatives produced in Lebanon. Each time you buy a biscuit made in Turkey, you're investing your dollars in the Turkish economy and taking your money out of Lebanon. It has to stop.
 
To fix any economy in my view means one thing: to produce what you consume. If you dont produce what you consume, you will be held hostage to other countries. The same would apply even in a microeconomic sense at home. If you don't cook at home, your children will either be forced to beg from others or to buy from others. We can afford to depend on delivery from Kababji or the likes. But imagine if the delivery of food is from a Turkish, Egyptian, Saudi or Jordanian outlet.

How do we fix the economy of Lebanon? You can't have major industries, especially multinational corporations moving to Lebanon, if your power sector is epileptic. No one will come to Lebanon. Instead, they will move to Lebanon or Turkey.

Each time you buy a drug produced by a foreign corporation and made in a neighboring country like Jordan, Turkey or Egypt, you are paying the salaries of Egyptians, Turks and Jordanians. You are feeding the populations of other countries and keeping them employed.

We need our government to fix whatever facilitates the relocation of major foreign corporations to Lebanon, like the power sector. Then, meet the CEOs of these corporations and strike a bargain with them. Lebanese are industrious, learned and qualified for the job. We have the manpower as Lebanese. Give a monopoly to any foreign corporation that is ready to move and establish an office, a branch, a factory etc in Lebanon and ban the other corporations. Let them produce in Lebanon. Or, alternatively, for patronizing their products produced in neighboring countries, these corporations must employ Lebanese youths in a way proportionate to our consumption of their products. Let there be a ratio or employer quota that are Lebanese. You have corporations like Unilever, SmithKline etc. You have car companies like Kia and Toyota that make much money in Lebanon. Every house in Lebanon has a car or two at least. These car companies can couple their vehicles in Lebanon. Lebanon can be an economic hub for other countries. We can use out strategic location as windows to Africa, Europe, the Americas through the Mediterranean. It is cheaper for Toyota to ship cars from Lebanon to Africa, than from the US, Canada or Brazil. We have a more liberal culture compared to other countries in the region .

We are a big consumer nation. We consume much even as a small country. When regional countries tell us that they have hundreds of thousands of Lebanese employees, we should tell them that we also patronize their products. I have seen chocolates, cakes, sweets, etc produced in Turkey and Egypt. Why should we buy sweets and chocolates from these countries? What happens to Gandour products? Why cant Mars, Snickers and Twix be produced in Egypt and not in Lebanon. Our government should ban such products, if there exist their alternatives produced in Lebanon or if their manufacturers refuse to have a branch in Lebanon or patronize Lebanese employees. The central bank should not issue foreign exchange to businesses that want to import items whose alternatives are produced here. And I as a Lebanese consumer will and should not patronize chocolates, biscuits, sweets, medicines etc if there are alternatives produced in Lebanon. Each time you buy a biscuit made in Turkey, you're investing your dollars in the Turkish economy and taking your money out of Lebanon. It has to stop.

The other day a politician was talking about the Salt industry in Lebanon (now extinct).

Tens of families if not more were living out of this industry until one day Lebanon decided to lift the custom protections in order to facilitate the import of Egyptian salt!

The result was to kill an industry so that some Egyptian officials can feel happy!
 

NewLeb

Member
A nation’s economic success is mostly (perhaps only) dependent on whether it’s economy is reflective of its people’s unique characteristics. For example, Germans are good at industry because they are an industrious peoples.

Now, ask yourself what kind of people the Lebanese are in terms of economic output....
 
the most urgent issue is the water in whole the middle eastern region ..
and there must be long term plans for water management ..
and the waste water management..
water is essential to do the rest of economic plans ..
a green energy must be also a priority .. wind wheels , water energy and recycled bio fuel.
WHAT APPLIES TO CRUSADER COUNTRIES DOESN'T APPLY TO US !!
WE HAVE TONS OF WATER EACH YEAR !! RIGHT NOW IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE
IT GOES DOWN THE DRAIN INTO THE SEWERS AND TO THE SEA

SO NO WATER TREATMENT IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR US !!
WATER CORRUPTION IS A PROBLEM FOR US ESPECIALLY IN SUMMER
SOME "LEAGUE OF ASSHOLES" ARE STEALING THIS WATER IN SUMMER
AND SELLING IT BACK TO US
 

shadow1

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
let's think out of the box for a bit. Sex, drugs and rock and roll that would be my solution

Sex: Considering that around us there are countless millions of libidinous men. Why not turn Beirut into the Bangkok of the Middle East. Officially.
As a matter of fact more and more people are resorting to that now to supplement (or generate) their income. Regulate it in a way as to allocate a small royalty payment to political leaders. But dont make it too expensive as to price out the vast arab market. Our leaders know the good of it for why else would they prostitute themselves to their foreign benefactors?

Drugs: the country is now firmly inside the financial abyss. What remains to be seen is how low it can go . IMO it'll be bad, very very very bad. Drugs may be the way out. Let the politicians transport it to foreign markets in their luggage protected by their doplomatic immunity status. so I d say legalise all drugs and regulate it ,again by giving politicians a cut of the profits. There will come a day when the country will have no option to pull itself out of its deep shit.

Rock and Roll: send out our couuntless mediocre singers all over the world and ask them to hold concerts for expats. They are the only ones stupid enough to pay so much for mediocrity. The good looking ones can double up as prostitutes for extra income from wealthy arabs.

There are other sources, money laundering, insurance frauds, arms trade ( our neighbours will be needing arms to kill each other for decades to come). Reselling expired food and medicine to poor african countries. Human trafficking is another thing that comes to mind. Anything to feed the poor people who have seen their country march towards the abyss for decades and kept on electing the team leaders to get them there.
Desperate times require desperate measures.

Banking on oil discovery is too far feteched to warrant even a consideration. If there was oil under the sea it wouldve been discovered by now. Besides even if there was, the politicians will monopolise it for ther own benefits anyway and the poor will still be poor.
 
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هي وقف الهدرّ في كلّ مؤسسات الدولة وكشف الموظّفينّ الفاسدين المرتشين ومن يقوم برشّوتهم وكذلك المتلكئين عن تسّيير معاملات الناس بشكلّ نظامي (دون اللجوء للسمّسرة)-

تفعيلّ هيئات رقابية فاعلة (مش منظرّ) لمراقبة تجار القطاع الخاص وأحتكاراتهمّ ومعاقبتهمّ بشكلّ جديّ في حال ارتكاب المخالفات-

أصلاح شبكة الطرقات الأساسيّة ولاحقا الفرعية وفقا للمعايير الدولية كي لا تشكلّ هذه الطرقات لاحقا عائق أمام الموظفينّ والطلاب والمواطنيين لتضّييع وقتهم في زحمة سيّرخانقة بسبب القيادة المتهوّرة والأحوال المناخية (العواصف وأنسداد قنوات تصريف المياه بالقمامة) وتضارب دوام العملّ مع دوام التعّليمّ ودوام سيّر الآليات الثقيلة على الطرقات

أن أصلاح الطرقات الأساسية والفرعية في لبنان وفقا لمعاييرّ دولية كفيلّ بتخفيف الهدرّ الى حدّ كبيرّ جدا بطريقة أوتوماتيكية ويؤثر أيجابيا على الأقتصاد العام والخاصّ على حدّ سواء وتوّفير الأموال في عمليّات الصيانة بعدّ كلّ كارثة طبيعية تصيبّ لبنان

أصلاح قطاع الطاقة من دون أي أعاقة سياسية بدأ من وقف الهدرّ والتعدّيات على الشبكة الكهربائية بداية من الهدر الكهربائي في المؤسسات العامة وممتلكات الطبقة السياسية الحاكمة وصيانة خطوط الكهرباء بشكلّ تصل فيه الطاقة الى بيوت الناس بالفولتاج والأمبيراج الصحيح وأستخدامّ فنّيين كهرباء محترفين والأهمّ أن يكونوا جديرين بتحمّل مسؤولياتهم

عدمّ وضع العراقيلّ والشروطّ التعجزية أما المحاولات الفردية أو الجماعية لبدىء مشاريع تجارية أو صناعية خاصة بعد التخمة الوظيفية في القطاع العامّ -
بالتوازي مع أنهاء حالات الكرتيلات التجارية أو الصناعية الضخمة في لبنان والتي ينتج عنها أحتكار للسوق وتصنيع ديكتاتوريات سياسية وميليشياوية

لبنان أصبح بوضع ضعيف جدا لا تنفعه أمتلاك كمّية كبيرة من الصوواييخ كما لا تنفعه عنتريّات وليدّ جنبلاط ونبيه برّي وسعدّ الحريري لأن الثمن المطلوب
كبيرّ وثقيلّ جدا وهو كفيلّ بأنهائكم وميليشياتكم على المدى البعيدّ ...وأول ضحايا هذا الثمن "نهاية الطائفة السنّية اللبنانية" بحيث أنها ستذوب بألالاف اللاجئين من فلسطين وسورّيا والذي لديهم أمتداد في بلدانهم الأصلية وستحرص أسرائيل على ترحيلهمّ ورميهم في لبنان وتحذف العائلات السنية البيروتية والطرابلسية والبقاعية والجنوبية اللبنانية بشكل نهائي قبل أن تشكلّ جموع اللاجئين خطرّ على باقي الطوائف الأخرى

وقد أعذر من أنذرّ
 
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let's think out of the box for a bit. Sex, drugs and rock and roll that would be my solution

Sex: Considering that around us there are countless millions of libidinous men. Why not turn Beirut into the Bangkok of the Middle East. Officially.
As a matter of fact more and more people are resorting to that now to supplement (or generate) their income. Regulate it in a way as to allocate a small royalty payment to political leaders. But dont make it too expensive as to price out the vast arab market. Our leaders know the good of it for why else would they prostitute themselves to their foreign benefactors?

Drugs: the country is now firmly inside the financial abyss. What remains to be seen is how low it can go . IMO it'll be bad, very very very bad. Drugs may be the way out. Let the politicians transport it to foreign markets in their luggage protected by their doplomatic immunity status. so I d say legalise all drugs and regulate it ,again by giving politicians a cut of the profits. There will come a day when the country will have no option to pull itself out of its deep shit.

Rock and Roll: send out our couuntless mediocre singers all over the world and ask them to hold concerts for expats. They are the only ones stupid enough to pay so much for mediocrity. The good looking ones can double up as prostitutes for extra income from wealthy arabs.

There are other sources, money laundering, insurance frauds, arms trade ( our neighbours will be needing arms to kill each other for decades to come). Reselling expired food and medicine to poor african countries. Human trafficking is another thing that comes to mind. Anything to feed the poor people who have seen their country march towards the abyss for decades and kept on electing the team leaders to get them there.
Desperate times require desperate measures.

Banking on oil discovery is too far feteched to warrant even a consideration. If there was oil under the sea it wouldve been discovered by now. Besides even if there was, the politicians will monopolise it for ther own benefits anyway and the poor will still be poor.
you look like a professional mafia guy to me ... who is looking to build a mafioso playground rather than a true country :lol:
 

shadow1

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
you look like a professional mafia guy to me ... who is looking to build a mafioso playground rather than a true country :lol:
There are always more than one way to build a true coutnry. I picked the fastest and the most appropriate to and for our society.
 
There are always more than one way to build a true coutnry. I picked the fastest and the most appropriate to and for our society.
Not really, for such you need a protected country, not a country at the borders of israel.
if israel farts all your mafioso tourist season will vanish like magic ( poufff nothing remains)
you need ... a true country, else you're done for.

Things like daily consumables need to be manufactured locally and available in the market at a lower price
than the foreign competition ... such "security" basic needs can allow you to stand your ground in the ruthless
economic war on you.

If a missile hits your home, you can still setup a tent and live in it until the war ends.
However, if you can't afford food or clothes, it's highly unlikely you'll be able to survive.
you need "reason" first before anything else, before pleasing the slogans of other crusader countries
who have no serious economic crisis, so they fart and market new social "ideals" out of boredom
 

Venom

Legendary Member
Some kind of peace / understanding with Israel ....
A hit squad to Assassinate all the corrupt.
This is as a start.
 

SAVO

Active Member
blaming only harirism of economic failure is unjust and unfair ,eventhough they were the executioner of this economic planning -
syrian wissaye was the big planner and lebanese economic independence was never on their agenda ...
the choices are two.
-start an independent economic planning , indsustrial growth that mean lebanon must reposition itself and stay away from axis game. otherwise they will be under western sanction . and that implicate no armed milithia (!) out of the state .
-keeping the status quo..meean more economic pressure and permanent state of war .. since a shiite axis will be opposed by a sunni axis .. and it mean you must prepare for an economy of war..
 
let's think out of the box for a bit. Sex, drugs and rock and roll that would be my solution

Sex: Considering that around us there are countless millions of libidinous men. Why not turn Beirut into the Bangkok of the Middle East. Officially.
As a matter of fact more and more people are resorting to that now to supplement (or generate) their income. Regulate it in a way as to allocate a small royalty payment to political leaders. But dont make it too expensive as to price out the vast arab market. Our leaders know the good of it for why else would they prostitute themselves to their foreign benefactors?

Drugs: the country is now firmly inside the financial abyss. What remains to be seen is how low it can go . IMO it'll be bad, very very very bad. Drugs may be the way out. Let the politicians transport it to foreign markets in their luggage protected by their doplomatic immunity status. so I d say legalise all drugs and regulate it ,again by giving politicians a cut of the profits. There will come a day when the country will have no option to pull itself out of its deep shit.

Rock and Roll: send out our couuntless mediocre singers all over the world and ask them to hold concerts for expats. They are the only ones stupid enough to pay so much for mediocrity. The good looking ones can double up as prostitutes for extra income from wealthy arabs.

There are other sources, money laundering, insurance frauds, arms trade ( our neighbours will be needing arms to kill each other for decades to come). Reselling expired food and medicine to poor african countries. Human trafficking is another thing that comes to mind. Anything to feed the poor people who have seen their country march towards the abyss for decades and kept on electing the team leaders to get them there.
Desperate times require desperate measures.

Banking on oil discovery is too far feteched to warrant even a consideration. If there was oil under the sea it wouldve been discovered by now. Besides even if there was, the politicians will monopolise it for ther own benefits anyway and the poor will still be poor.

Well a controlled and monitored red district is not a bad idea.

in Holland they have an entire industry going on in the red district which is a major part of Amsterdam; from joint shops; to vitrines; without forgetting the sex shops; sex museum, and even sex theatres ...

It is truly a Satan den there o_O , after thinking about it I'm not sure that I want the same thing in Lebanon.

But regulating the sex industry is a must; for the safety of prostitutes and their clients.
 

shadow1

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
Well a controlled and monitored red district is not a bad idea.

in Holland they have an entire industry going on in the red district which is a major part of Amsterdam; from joint shops; to vitrines; without forgetting the sex shops; sex museum, and even sex theatres ...

It is truly a Satan den there o_O , after thinking about it I'm not sure that I want the same thing in Lebanon.

But regulating the sex industry is a must; for the safety of prostitutes and their clients.
Satan knows how to live life to the fullest, Doesnt HE? If only he existed outside imagination.
The sooner the country starts planning its red disctricts the better. what I'd do I ll turn the industrial areas of Dikweneh or Mkalless into pleasure centres for horny arabs and ageing expats. Beirut could be the new Amsterdam and tackier. And I have no doubt there are a lot of Lebanese expats with valuable experience in this domain.

To think that the country has any other option to dig itself out of this hole is silly. What awaits it is a decade or more of hardships assuming you are able to put the Lebanese politicians in jail. These guys with their insatiable greed will not go away without a fight. Why not put them in charge of the drug and prostitution rings? They have no morals to dissuade them and they can start earning incomenow and not wait for the alleged oil to come out of the sea to rob it.

Should we wait until the bloody revolution right around the corner to end? Maybe it's better.
 

HalaMadrid

Well-Known Member
Orange Room Supporter
Not really an idea for how to fix the economy, but a really good podcast with Ehsani on this: System Fail: Lebanon's cash crisis w/Ehsani

Also, should we be concerned Riyad Salame could be getting some ideas on how to boost his currency: Trump Fans Sink Savings Into ‘Iraqi Dinar’ Scam
🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

"While it’s difficult to measure how many Americans have invested in the dinar, court papers related to dinar scams often mention millions of dollars worth of dinar purchases. Dinar holders regularly tweet at Trump and various Iraqi government Twitter accounts, demanding to know when they’ll finally enact the “RV” that will let the money flow in."

"But the dinar-specific corners of the internet are also rife with manipulation. In October, the owners of a Georgia-based dinar reseller that made $600 million selling the dinar and other currencies were convicted of fraud for misleading investors about the dinar’s chances to gain value."
 

Jeremy Samuel

New Member
well israel doesn't want it. it is more than happy with all the corrupt

I'm not Lebanese, but just by observing Lebanon and knowing of Lebanon's economic condition and what it's strengths are, I think that some change in the relationship with Israel would be beneficial.

I understand that there is NO WAY Lebanon is going to sign a peace treaty with Israel like Jordan and Egypt did, but the intensity of Lebanon's boycott of Israel does more proportional harm to Lebanon than it does to Israel.

I know that allowing Israelis to visit* or trading with Israel is unthinkable, but I think it would behoove Lebanon to allow third-nation visitors in who have already visited Israel and not bar anyone from entry who has evidence of an Israeli visit.

In 2019, Israel received over 4.5 million tourists. I have to assume that a number of those tourists would combine a trip to Lebanon with Israel if they could do so legally. I realize it's an unscientific sample, but if you follow TripAdvisor, it's really interesting how frequently people ask how they can visit Lebanon and Israel, and those are the people too lazy to Google the answer to that question.

Although a cease-fire or loosening of the boycott wouldn't produce the benefits of a full peace, at least it would ease tensions and perhaps help Lebanon attract more foreign investment.

I disagree that Israel doesn't want peace with Lebanon. Israel's territorial disagreement with Lebanon is not significant. The LAF and IDF already talk on a frequent basis through UNIFIL. Israel was willing to talk about the maritime and land borders, though that negotiation has been delayed by both countries' governing crises. The reason Israeli officials don't often talk about a dream of peace with Lebanon is because they know that Lebanon doesn't want it and right now they must focus on deterring Hezbollah.

*I know that there are already some exceptions, like for Christians who get special Palestinian travel documents.
 
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