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This argument has been made many times over the years, on this forum, and it should be debunked once and for all.
Keserwan is originally Shiite. They are reclaiming back what was once theirs before you and your Mamluk cousins came and expelled the Metwalis out of their ancestral lands.
Shame on you! You're worse than Yazid ibn Muawiya.
we were in kersrewan 600 years before mohamad was even born.
Nope! The Maronite church was founded in the 5th century, but Maronites didn't start migrating to Keserwan until the 18th century, when Mamluks expelled the local Shiite population to make room for Maronites.
Mohamed was born around 570 AD. (peace be upon his lovely soul)
I challenge you to name one church in Keserwan that dates back to earlier than the 18th century.
Actually Khazen began migrating to Keserwen in the 16th century.
St. Anthony of Padua Church in Ballouneh was built in the 17th century.
Virgin Mary Church also in the 17th.
i really dont have time to explain to you christians, maronites, same thing
maronites doidnt come by parachute, we just converted the other christians there
deir mar MAROUN in batroun which is a stone throw from keserwan is 7th century old.
islam has zero claim on lebanon
its christians first and centuries the ghouzat came and took over by force
"Towards the end of the 13th century the Mamelukes of Egypt began to gain the upper hand in the eastern Mediterranean. The crusaders in retreat found refuge among the Maronites in Lebanon. While the Franks tried to hold the line there, they were defeated by the Sultan’s troops. In 1267 upper Lebanon was destroyed. Many captives were beheaded, trees were cut and the churches were destroyed. From 1289 to 1291 the whole of the Lebanese coast fell to the invaders. The once flourishing cities of the Mediterranean went up in flames as the Moslems took their vengeance on the Christians. According to the Historian Theodore of Hama, even in Kisrawan, not a monastery, church or fort was saved from destruction.
Aspects of Maronite History (Part Three) – Eparchy of Saint Maron of Brooklyn
you can add the mamlouk,s ottomans, same results
كذبة الدولتين الاموية والعباسية دولتان حكمتا 600 سنة تعاقب عليهما 51 خليفة...لم يتركا...قصرا ولا مسجدا ولا حماما ولا شارعا ولا قلعة ولا معسكرا ولا جسرا ولا نفقا ولا اي اثر مادي مطلقا حسنا...زرت اثار البابليين والسومريين والاشوريين والفرس واليونانيين والرومان والجرمان والانكليز والاسكندنافيين والافارقة والمصريين والسوريين والمايا وكلها اما اثار ظاهرة او مدفونة تدل على يد صانعها وهي اقدم بالاف السنين اين الحضارة الاسلامية او حضارة الامويين والعباسيين؟ قصر الامارة في الكوفة كان قلعة رومانية...الجامع الاموي كنيسة...الملوية برج مراقبة روماني...جامع الحجية صوفيا او ايا صوفيا كنيسة نفترض يد التخريب طالت مباني الدنيا اين مباني الدين التي لايجرؤ احد على هدمها مثل المساجد
ان الدولة الاموية والعباسية هما معسكران لاغير مثل داعش ودولته فبعد الف سنة تقرا الناس عن الدولة الاسلامية في العراق والشام
You're talking of Kisrawan/Keserwan...was it a MARONITE homeland in the beginning to start with? Was it not after the Turkish jihad and the fatwas of Ibn Taymiyyah that wiped out the Shia from the north-western half of Lebanon? Tripoli, today the largest Sunni city in Lebanon, was once a Shia city. It was transformed by the Sunni caliphate terrorism against minorities.
All Lebanon was Christian and Syria for the fact. What you talking about? Do you think Lebanon's history started with Sunni and Shiite, and whom expulsed whom from certain area few centuries ago?
You still talking about this shit? Grow up there are many things that we are facing more important than one area. Go and see why immigration rates amongst the shias are the highest eventhough you have HA and the corrupt Berri.
He's secular but wants Shiites dominance. Go figure out twisted logic
Same as manifesto bro. Kelloun heike. They tell you ne7na secular and we want a secular state and all they talk about is shia keserwen, shia zahle and shia jbeil. Its all bullshit and just a power grab. The christians of the land better be aware of whats happening.
The Shia have no history of expelling anyone in Lebanon. The Shia presence itself in Lebanon is completely based on converts and immigration.
All of Lebanon was Christian at a point, and before that, it could have been all Jewish, and before that it could have been all pagan, going by chronology. But at the point it was ALL christian, it was not all Maronite. Min wein ejito?
You are the one who keep talking about Keserwen as if it is a lost Shiite land. I just want to make a remark that you seem to stop at one point in history to satisfy your lol secular Shiite mind.
Christians keno in Nabatiyeh before the shia took over badna our lands back.
No, I dont want Shia dominance. I want Lebanese dominance. But when Maronites, Christians or druze or sunni keep singing about their rights, where do I fall in personally as a Lebanese from the Shia sect and who identifies with secularism? At least within my sect they still see me as a "Shia son" or "brother". But towards fanatical and extremist sectarian Sunnis, Maronites and druze, what do they see a secular Shia as? They see him just as another Shi'a who should be gotten rid of.
So it doesn't pleases me at all when my government and parliament is a race among sectarian extremists and a competition on who gets the lion share. Such language is sick. And some are actually talking about numbers, when in fact the numbers are not in their favor. And they tall about coexistence and equal power sharing when it suits them. It is big time hypocrisy!
Similarly, you talk about sectarian politics all the time. When you're checkmated, you scream that how can a Shia preaching secularism or promoting a civil state where all citizens are equal be defending his sect. Neither secularism nor sectarianism can be promoted by me or should be promoted by anyone to target and weaken any Lebanese community or individual. It is that simple. Secularism should be promoted because sectarian politics has not only failed, but it has destroyed Lebanon and Lebanese society. To preserve Lebanon and all Lebanese, regardless of sect or religion, secularism is the only way to ensure all Lebanese are equal and free citizens in their country. It is a mechanism to promote a free, equal and just country for all Lebanese citizens, and not a tool to destroy or target any Lebanese or any religion.
It is lost Shia land if you want to consider other areas as "lost christian lands". We have to be fair. And by the way, in history, both the Christians and Shi'a have been victims of the sunni caliphate. In fact, the shia were victims more than the Christians. The shia weren't even recognized as a community. They lived underground and in dissimulation. So when you're preaching your victim hood mentality and begging for pity, others have bigger stories to tell too.
I thought you were different... You turned to be a sectarian as the Sunnis, Maronites and Druze.
So we know now that you speak as a sectarian, right?
One question. Would you give up the MOF?
Keno w ba3don mawjooden. And they are living fairly and equally and in peace with their neighbors and no one will raise a finger against them in Nabatiyyeh.
As you like to understand things...its your choice.
Hey hey stop pitying yourself you fool. The vitimization has ended. You have stole and plagued our gov snd our state intistitutions since Taef. You as a community were the main people that benefitted in that period. B rabak shhhh!
Where did you see me preaching this or that? For some reason, it is fascinating to see a secular like you who keep mentioning Kesereen as a Shiite land
How many alcohol shops are there ??? How many still live there? 200???
You just said that you are playing the Maronites/Sunni/Druze sectarian card as a Shiite... Didn't you Mr. secular?
It isn't mine. I'm not related to Berri or Khalil. First, give it to me. And then ask me if I would give it up. I own nothing. I really don't understand how fanatical and stupid people can be. How they derive so much pleasure by the mere thought that someone from their sect controls a ministry or leadership position. Lol
Mano secular wala batikh. He wants the christians to be allies but under his control against the druze and the sunnis in the country. What a way to build a country.
Ive only been there once and i didnt count the alcohol shops. You may need to visit the place. Have you ever been there? Ive been there once.
Again would the shia community give up the MOF?
Khaye, i am willing to have a parliament that has no sect allotment with a fair division of electoral districts. Are you willing to have a senate with decentralization or even federalism??
I suggest you go there and have a look. Its a pile of junk bro.
No no... He is a secular athiest and communist. But somehow he keeps talking about Keserwen being a lost Shiite land in about every post lol
They have hate in their eyes against the christians. They cant handle that Keserwen which numbers 300K people is 95% christian. They need to suck it up.
Let's not generalize... But if Shiite seculars 3a ashkelo ya 3ein... than what did he leaves for the sectarian ones ?lol
LOL. Here it is the Shia unveiled. You oppose the Zionist ideology of Jews rehabilitating to their lost land of Israel but yet you support the claim of Kesserwan being a Shia homeland even though most Shias haven't lived here for over 200 years! How come buddy?
A fun fact for you, the native population started converting to Christianity from Tyre to the North long before Islam set foot on our holy soil.
The Zionist is bringing in an imported population that even if traced to ten thousand years may have no ancestral link to Palestine. It is like allowing a Japanese Muslim settle in Makkah and giving him Saudi passport because he is practicing islam. Ashkenazi Jews are Caucasian converts into Judaism. They are Judaists.
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