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Should the WESTERN countries fear the spread of Islam ?

joseph_lubnan

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Which is exactly the rhetoric of uneducated corn-fed right-wing supremacists with a southern drawl, to make a caricature.
And here i was almost certain you can differentiate between someone who disagrees with some of the US foreign policy agendas and someone who for whatever reason hates America as you just so delicately painted with a very broad brush.

Of course I can differentiate, but many Christians and Muslims in Lebanon are so open and vocal and passionate about being anti-america, do you disagree with this, I don't think so. I do not think they deserve to be considered for immigration to the US, there are other better deserving applicants who are more pro-America, and they should be considered first.
 

fidelio

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Of course I can differentiate, but many Christians and Muslims in Lebanon are so open and vocal and passionate about being anti-america, do you disagree with this, I don't think so.
Of course i disagree with this, however vague your statement is but the gist of it is ridiculous. Some people disagree with some of the US foreign policy agendas, i think i was very clear about that. Those convictions are shared with many American citizens who are proud of their country.

I do not think they deserve to be considered for immigration to the US, there are other better deserving applicants who are more pro-America, and they should be considered first.
I believe all administrations have been more pragmatic, responsible and safe in their immigration policies, which is their absolute sovereign right. Unfortunately though, policy making is obviously not your forte, maybe border patrol lieutenant with a shotgun and a dog is more suitable. I'd take that job any day myself.
 

joseph_lubnan

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Of course i disagree with this, however vague your statement is but the gist of it is ridiculous. Some people disagree with some of the US foreign policy agendas, i think i was very clear about that. Those convictions are shared with many American citizens who are proud of their country.


I believe all administrations have been more pragmatic, responsible and safe in their immigration policies, which is their absolute sovereign right. Unfortunately though, policy making is obviously not your forte, maybe border patrol lieutenant with a shotgun and a dog is more suitable. I'd take that job any day myself.

I think it is a very reasonable policy to de-prioritize those who are so vehemently anti-America and who are at the same time applying to immigrate to the US. Very reasonable policy to prioritize the many who are more supportive of this country. Americans have every right to their views about the US and all its policies and positions, and these rights are sacred. But citizens of Lebanon are not Americans, and their immigration applications to the US should be evaluated within a broad policy that ensures we are bringing people here who like the country and not those who bash it non-stop.
 
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fidelio

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I think it is a very reasonable policy to de-prioritize those who are so vehemently anti-Ameria and who are at the same time applying to immigrate to the US. Very reasonable policy to prioritize the many who are more supportive of this country. Americans have every right to their views about the US and all its policies and positions, and these rights are sacred. But citizens of Lebanon are not Americans, and their immigration applications to the US should be evaluated within a broad policy that ensures we are bringing people here who like the country and not those who bash it non-stop.

It seems you completely ignored the argument i was trying to convey, twice.
You want to sing the anthem while wrapping yourself with the star spangled banner, that's your right Davy Crockett, but discussions are about arguments, explanations and more importantly, nuances.
 

joseph_lubnan

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It seems you completely ignored the argument i was trying to convey, twice.
You want to sing the anthem while wrapping yourself with the star spangled banner, that's your right Davy Crockett, but discussions are about arguments, explanations and more importantly, nuances.
I didn't ignore your argument. I disagree with it.
 

fidelio

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I didn't ignore your argument. I disagree with it.
No, you ignored it.
Disagreeing with someone is taking the argument apart and presenting a counter-argument. Let me give you an example.

You argue that whoever "hates America" shouldn't be welcome as an immigrant to the US. Let's imagine there is actually someone who is fanatic and ridiculous enough to actually hate an entire country, as you put it, would you imagine that person actually applying for immigration in the first place? I for one find that scenario better suited for a B movie comedy script.
 

!Aoune32

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Western countries should change their immigration policies. No one should be able to enter anymore. Enough is Enough. You have thousands upon thousands in Western countries who actually hate the country they are in. You see it all around Australia. They hate the country they are in, they live like animals same as back home and then if you tell them lakeina if you hate the country so much go back he tells you ana Australian mate. They have no concept of the word nor do they know what it means.
 

Rafidi

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well, in the video there are a lot of stupid people who believe him. the law of Shari3a will be applied. this crusader scum killed Muslims while they were praying, on purpose. he should be killed. he announced himself as a crusader knight

New Zealand has long abolished the death penalty. He will likely face like imprisonment, where the govt still pays for his food to keep him alive.
 

Rafidi

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Western countries should change their immigration policies. No one should be able to enter anymore. Enough is Enough. You have thousands upon thousands in Western countries who actually hate the country they are in. You see it all around Australia. They hate the country they are in, they live like animals same as back home and then if you tell them lakeina if you hate the country so much go back he tells you ana Australian mate. They have no concept of the word nor do they know what it means.

I think most of the racist sectarian Lebanese scum, [] who personify and epitomize racism and sectarianism, have no idea of where the world is heading to. No one can stop immigration, no matter how tight the rules will be. And if the immigrants who have entered wants to make it hard, they will start having minimum ten kids per couple regardless of economic class. Stopping immigration will be like stop the flow of oxygen. At least, there is legal immigration presently. When the ancestors of white Australians and the British invaded 1/3 of the world and enslaved other nations and plundered, they didn't think of it as illegal immigration back then. So why should others care if they are legally migrating?
 
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Indie

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Let's imagine there is actually someone who is fanatic and ridiculous enough to actually hate an entire country, as you put it, would you imagine that person actually applying for immigration in the first place? I for one find that scenario better suited for a B movie comedy script.

I can imagine it, and it happens all the time. They hate the country, its people, and their values, but they love the economic opportunities.
 

Resign

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Western countries should change their immigration policies. No one should be able to enter anymore. Enough is Enough. You have thousands upon thousands in Western countries who actually hate the country they are in. You see it all around Australia. They hate the country they are in, they live like animals same as back home and then if you tell them lakeina if you hate the country so much go back he tells you ana Australian mate. They have no concept of the word nor do they know what it means.

I agree
most importantly, they should review their policies concerning child welfare (for example, welfare allows 1 child, after that welfare is provided based on tax contribution)
I mean how would you spread such a religion ? who in his sane mind would convert to Islam ?

Look at the Syrian refugees in Lebanon,
while living like shit, they're baby making machines, the UN pays them for every child. God knows where the money is going, but what we know for sure is that the kids are gone working on their streets at the age of 5 to feed and support their jobless parents fulfilling their religious duties



كتاب النكاح
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باب كَرَاهِيَةِ تَزْوِيجِ الْعَقِيمِ ‏.

أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ خَالِدٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ بْنُ هَارُونَ، قَالَ أَنْبَأَنَا الْمُسْتَلِمُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، عَنْ مَنْصُورِ بْنِ زَاذَانَ، عَنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ قُرَّةَ، عَنْ مَعْقِلِ بْنِ يَسَارٍ، قَالَ جَاءَ رَجُلٌ إِلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ إِنِّي أَصَبْتُ امْرَأَةً ذَاتَ حَسَبٍ وَمَنْصِبٍ إِلاَّ أَنَّهَا لاَ تَلِدُ أَفَأَتَزَوَّجُهَا فَنَهَاهُ ثُمَّ أَتَاهُ الثَّانِيَةَ فَنَهَاهُ ثُمَّ أَتَاهُ الثَّالِثَةَ فَنَهَاهُ فَقَالَ ‏ "‏ تَزَوَّجُوا الْوَلُودَ الْوَدُودَ فَإِنِّي مُكَاثِرٌ بِكُمْ ‏"‏ ‏.‏



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The Book of Marriage


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Chapter: It Is Disliked To Marry One Who Is Infertile


Narrated Ma'qil bin Yasar:
It was narrated that Ma'qil bin Yasar said: "A man came to the Messenger of Allah and said: 'I have found a woman who is from a good family and of good status, but she does not bear children, should I marry her?' He told him not to. Then he came to him a second time and he told him not to (marry her). Then he came to him a third time and he told him not to (marry her), then he said: 'Marry the one who is fertile and loving, for I will boast of your great numbers.'"
 

Resign

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Is this a true representation of the whole muslim community?
if few clown go to the street that does not mean all of the muslims agree on this message.
FYI I have muslim friends in Paris who drink alcohol while I, myself, don't.

Those aren't Muslims
any person who claims to be Muslim should automatically support and seek Islamic rule and Sharia Law.
 

fidelio

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I can imagine it, and it happens all the time. They hate the country, its people, and their values, but they love the economic opportunities.

The main question is should the immigration policies be tailored to people's sentiment rather than merit. I believe merit is much more pragmatic and progressive than sentiment.
I understand the resentment from people in the West who opened their borders to people from disenfranchised countries, only to find out later that integration is not to be taken for granted and it's actually very difficult to achieve, if impossible for certain communities.
However, the US is not Hungary or Italy, it's an empire that has a responsibility in keeping its immigration policies smart enough to see beyond sentiment and reactionary decisions.

If you want to talk about Muslim immigrants as a specific example, then the debate would be different. But in general, I still think right wing ideas like that should be avoided.
 

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