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Syrian civil War, a model war of the 21st century

Hani_Farah

New Member
Many consider the war in Syria to be largely over, especially after the crackdowns on multiple IS cells in the Levant. Putting all political leanings and opinions aside, one unmissable contributing factor to the war has been climate change. As such, major global policies must be put into effect to combat this phenomenon.

From 2007 to 2010, Syria experienced an extreme drought that left the wheat harvest at an all-time low and caused many farmers to migrate from rural areas to already jam-packed cities in search of better economic prospects. The 2003 Iraq war led more than a million Iraqis to flee to Syrian cities for refuge, and the influx of another one million internally displaced Syrians may well have caused societal tension leading to the conflict. The drought may not have been the main reason for the eruption of the civil war, but it was the factor that pushed it over the edge.

Worldwide protests, starting in Brussels with the student strikes and traveling all the way across the globe are an attestation to the need for better environmental planning. It is not enough to ban plastic straws when our transportation, domestic, and industrial needs are still largely reliant on fossil fuels. The need for a sound, ethical, far-sighted leadership and vision is crucial now more than ever, not only to prevent war and conflict, but also to safeguard the life of our planet beyond our own lifetime.
 

Iron Maiden

Paragon of Bacon
Orange Room Supporter
I really like ur POV, climate change brought down the roman empire through the freezing of the rhine and destruction of the libyan breadbasket, and had already brought civilization to an end in the Mediterranean in 1170BC.

It would be interesting to imagine what climate change effects in southeast asia will have on the geopolitical level as it is the most populated area of the world today and will be the most hard hit and will lack clean water access. But indeed it is not far fetched to link the syrian phenomenon to climate change ripples!
 

Mrsrx

Not an expert!
Staff member
Closing borders, denying climate change and thinking "economic" immigration will stop at one point is basically to condemn millions in a future not that far from today to die from thurst, hunger or ressource warfare.
Economic reasons pushing the movement of populations is largerly but indirectly due to water and food shortages in subsaharian Africa and other regions. When ressources are low a Mad Max scenario more often than get installed and not a helpful collaborative system to help most people survive.

To those thinking Climate change is resolved by cranking up your ACs....think farther! Good point OP!
 

Dulle Griet

New Member
Closing borders, denying climate change and thinking "economic" immigration will stop at one point is basically to condemn millions in a future not that far from today to die from thurst, hunger or ressource warfare.
Economic reasons pushing the movement of populations is largerly but indirectly due to water and food shortages in subsaharian Africa and other regions. When ressources are low a Mad Max scenario more often than get installed and not a helpful collaborative system to help most people survive.

To those thinking Climate change is resolved by cranking up your ACs....think farther! Good point OP!

Sorry, there's some liberal nonsense here:
1) So you say that closing borders in nonsense? But then you talk about war on resources...Well how do you think you can protect YOUR resources without a border, eventually closed for some types of goods/people?
2) denying climate change? Who denies it? Climate has always changed and always will. The thing is that someone is spreading alarms that do not fit with the official data. Moreover, proofs of manipulation of official data are multiplicating, and some big one (see IPCC-climate gate) has been busted doing it.
How can wise decisions be taken amidst a hammering media-and-prostitute-scientists misinformation to terrorize populations and implement coercitive laws for the lower social classes??

I really like ur POV, climate change brought down the roman empire through the freezing of the rhine and destruction of the libyan breadbasket, and had already brought civilization to an end in the Mediterranean in 1170BC.

It would be interesting to imagine what climate change effects in southeast asia will have on the geopolitical level as it is the most populated area of the world today and will be the most hard hit and will lack clean water access. But indeed it is not far fetched to link the syrian phenomenon to climate change ripples!

What? The Roman Empire end was a frozen Rhine? Serious? And from where does this "theory" come from? Any source? The breadbasket of the Empire was Egypt, by the way.

Many consider the war in Syria to be largely over, especially after the crackdowns on multiple IS cells in the Levant. Putting all political leanings and opinions aside, one unmissable contributing factor to the war has been climate change. As such, major global policies must be put into effect to combat this phenomenon.

From 2007 to 2010, Syria experienced an extreme drought that left the wheat harvest at an all-time low and caused many farmers to migrate from rural areas to already jam-packed cities in search of better economic prospects. The 2003 Iraq war led more than a million Iraqis to flee to Syrian cities for refuge, and the influx of another one million internally displaced Syrians may well have caused societal tension leading to the conflict. The drought may not have been the main reason for the eruption of the civil war, but it was the factor that pushed it over the edge.

Worldwide protests, starting in Brussels with the student strikes and traveling all the way across the globe are an attestation to the need for better environmental planning. It is not enough to ban plastic straws when our transportation, domestic, and industrial needs are still largely reliant on fossil fuels. The need for a sound, ethical, far-sighted leadership and vision is crucial now more than ever, not only to prevent war and conflict, but also to safeguard the life of our planet beyond our own lifetime.

My friend, the "worldwide protests" didn't start in Brussels, but in Sweden, where a great AD campaign was engineered by 2 of the most powerful families of Sweden (car producers!) to SPECULATE over a media-induced emergency. (in Belgium media created these 2 lookalikes, one for the French part, one for the Flemish part, in order to raise voters for Green party - and carry on the neoliberal agenda that red parties aren't able to carry on anymore because no one is voting them anymore)
Here I insert some documents extracted by the We Don't Have Time financial company scheme:
It's their own word.

Moreover, someone is risking to win a Pulitzer for having investigated around that:

Some retarded would say "you are denying climate change", NO, I'm saying that it's manipulated.
Geoengineering techniques are very easily able to destroy a country by thunderstorm (see the incredible wipeout of entire mountains in Italy in April, and the thunderstorm had the shape of exactly its borders) or...to down a country in drought for 3 years as it happened with Syria.
 

Iron Maiden

Paragon of Bacon
Orange Room Supporter
Sorry, there's some liberal nonsense here:
1) So you say that closing borders in nonsense? But then you talk about war on resources...Well how do you think you can protect YOUR resources without a border, eventually closed for some types of goods/people?
2) denying climate change? Who denies it? Climate has always changed and always will. The thing is that someone is spreading alarms that do not fit with the official data. Moreover, proofs of manipulation of official data are multiplicating, and some big one (see IPCC-climate gate) has been busted doing it.
How can wise decisions be taken amidst a hammering media-and-prostitute-scientists misinformation to terrorize populations and implement coercitive laws for the lower social classes??



What? The Roman Empire end was a frozen Rhine? Serious? And from where does this "theory" come from? Any source? The breadbasket of the Empire was Egypt, by the way.



My friend, the "worldwide protests" didn't start in Brussels, but in Sweden, where a great AD campaign was engineered by 2 of the most powerful families of Sweden (car producers!) to SPECULATE over a media-induced emergency. (in Belgium media created these 2 lookalikes, one for the French part, one for the Flemish part, in order to raise voters for Green party - and carry on the neoliberal agenda that red parties aren't able to carry on anymore because no one is voting them anymore)
Here I insert some documents extracted by the We Don't Have Time financial company scheme:
It's their own word.

Moreover, someone is risking to win a Pulitzer for having investigated around that:

Some retarded would say "you are denying climate change", NO, I'm saying that it's manipulated.
Geoengineering techniques are very easily able to destroy a country by thunderstorm (see the incredible wipeout of entire mountains in Italy in April, and the thunderstorm had the shape of exactly its borders) or...to down a country in drought for 3 years as it happened with Syria.
Read some history books then come back here and open a thread on the fall of the roman empire, otherwise dont spew nonsense
 

Mrsrx

Not an expert!
Staff member
Read some history books then come back here and open a thread on the fall of the roman empire, otherwise dont spew nonsense
ما جادلت جاهلا و الا ما خسرت ...science is not an opinion even if studies can be wrong but with enough evidence they can be confirmed so not worth replying point by point.
 

Nonan

Legendary Member
Orange Room Supporter
ما جادلت جاهلا و الا ما خسرت ...science is not an opinion even if studies can be wrong but with enough evidence they can be confirmed so not worth replying point by point.
Climate change? You mean the Chinese hoax? There is no climate change. Bring back coal, let’s destroy the Amazon, long live the crusaders.
You are all a bunch of gullible lefties falling for the propaganda of the Antifas and the MSM. Just check what Alain Soral just posted on YouTube.

On a more serious note, the problem is how do you drive international cooperation (because I firmly believe you can’t solve anything at a country level) when you have countries like the US, Brazil, Italy and now the UK governed by pure demagogues who are corrupt and are focused on the benefits of their own lobbies, China, India and other South Asian countries who rightfully call out the West’s hypocrisy in this, Russia who’s busy (re)building its empire, etc.

One example of forceful international collaboration could have been Libya for instance. Imagine if, instead of the shit show since 2011, the West (mainly Europe) had massively invested to stabilize the country and help it develop, it could have acted as a magnate for African immigration (or at least credible stop gap)... but this would take a shift in priorities for main leaders and a better alignment. Maybe with an Elizabeth Warren president and unified Democratic Congress?
 

Mrsrx

Not an expert!
Staff member
Climate change? You mean the Chinese hoax? There is no climate change. Bring back coal, let’s destroy the Amazon, long live the crusaders.
You are all a bunch of gullible lefties falling for the propaganda of the Antifas and the MSM. Just check what Alain Soral just posted on YouTube.

On a more serious note, the problem is how do you drive international cooperation (because I firmly believe you can’t solve anything at a country level) when you have countries like the US, Brazil, Italy and now the UK governed by pure demagogues who are corrupt and are focused on the benefits of their own lobbies, China, India and other South Asian countries who rightfully call out the West’s hypocrisy in this, Russia who’s busy (re)building its empire, etc.

One example of forceful international collaboration could have been Libya for instance. Imagine if, instead of the shit show since 2011, the West (mainly Europe) had massively invested to stabilize the country and help it develop, it could have acted as a magnate for African immigration (or at least credible stop gap)... but this would take a shift in priorities for main leaders and a better alignment. Maybe with an Elizabeth Warren president and unified Democratic Congress?
Agreed the solution needs to be global or a quick scientific leap to produce clean energy extremely cheap ( or carbon capture or reforestation or ....) . if the solution is cheap enough that it would make other production means economically not viable collaboration takes a back seat. ( several projects ongoing like fusion and candle reactors ...)

Qaddafi was stopping illegal.migration but was never the solution as he was just the wall. Conflicts in africa and ressources shortages are killing people that need to flee this situation and the collab effort needs to be on the source like building desalination plants, investing in the economy and the governments in order to build states that can offer a future where people can survive and that is not war ridden and short on ressources.

Even though EU is not that effective i still am a huge proponent as such groups and collaborations can be what is needed if good decisions are made and followed through. As for Brazil ....sad what has happened to them after the trajectory they were on.
 

proIsrael-nonIsraeli

Legendary Member
@mrsrx
Climate change? You mean the Chinese hoax? There is no climate change. Bring back coal, let’s destroy the Amazon, long live the crusaders.
You are all a bunch of gullible lefties falling for the propaganda of the Antifas and the MSM. Just check what Alain Soral just posted on YouTube.

On a more serious note, the problem is how do you drive international cooperation (because I firmly believe you can’t solve anything at a country level) when you have countries like the US, Brazil, Italy and now the UK governed by pure demagogues who are corrupt and are focused on the benefits of their own lobbies, China, India and other South Asian countries who rightfully call out the West’s hypocrisy in this, Russia who’s busy (re)building its empire, etc.

One example of forceful international collaboration could have been Libya for instance. Imagine if, instead of the shit show since 2011, the West (mainly Europe) had massively invested to stabilize the country and help it develop, it could have acted as a magnate for African immigration (or at least credible stop gap)... but this would take a shift in priorities for main leaders and a better alignment. Maybe with an Elizabeth Warren president and unified Democratic Congress?

We can control cleanliness of air and water, but only locally.
However, we are not powerful enough to affect climate change in any way - climate is constantly changing and climate is changing on its own.

BTW, climate change in direction of warming has started about 20,000 years ago.
It will reverse itself soon enough and cooling phase also will last tens or even hundreds of millennia and not thirteen years as AOC and other idiots are claiming.
 
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