Syrians Refugees Having Babies under Tents???

JB81

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How can someone compare conditions between having kids in Canada or Germany for $ purpose and having kids in moukhayam 3ersal?

Though both may be opportunistic but it is way different situation.
 
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  • Nonan

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    How can someone compare conditions between having kids in Canada or Germany for $ purpose and having kids in moukhayam 3ersal?

    Though both may be opportunistic but it is way different situation.
    I'd really be curious to know who is having babies in Canada or Germany for $ purposes. Do you know how much it costs to raise a child in these countries? I mean really? Some folks here comments that are utterly ridiculous.
     
    JB81

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    I'd really be curious to know who is having babies in Canada or Germany for $ purposes. Do you know how much it costs to raise a child in these countries? I mean really? Some folks here comments that are utterly ridiculous.
    The costs depend. But not let's kid each other. Even in a non-socialist country as the US, many benefits come with having children.

    However, my argument is that Canada or Germany child support system cannot be equal of that of UN to refugees. It is against those who are trying to say it is the same
     
    Indie

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    The costs depend. But not let's kid each other. Even in a non-socialist country as the US, many benefits come with having children.
    Those benefits won't make up for all the expenses you'll have to make to raise the kid properly. Unless you're cashing in the money and then sending your kids to derelict public schools, feeding them junk food, and making them wear the same dirty clothes 4 days in a row. But really, who does that voluntarily?
     
    JB81

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    Those benefits won't make up for all the expenses you'll have to make to raise the kid properly. Unless you're cashing in the money and then sending your kids to derelict public schools, feeding them junk food, and making them wear the same dirty clothes 4 days in a row. But really, who does that voluntarily?
    That's why I said the cost depends. Unfortunately there are people who does that. Not as many as it sounds in this thread. Regardless, and back to my point, one cannot compare children growing in Canada to one of refugee camps.
     
    Dalzi

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    Participate in or create community associations that take care of the "loser" expat social/educational development and integration. Every little effort counts Dallouz!
    They already exist but the desire for change is not there. The government invests in free education and skills programs, career support, community support, activities and events, counselling and everything you can think of. The problem isn't in the lack of what allows for change but for the desire to change/improve. They like to lie and rob and give us a bad name. We can't make them better people.
     
    Dalzi

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    That's why I said the cost depends. Unfortunately there are people who does that. Not as many as it sounds in this thread. Regardless, and back to my point, one cannot compare children growing in Canada to one of refugee camps.
    I have friends living in Lebanon who would kill for the opportunities those spoiled brats are given. Only if they'd exchange citizens. Ours have had it the easy way and don't know how difficult life is for others. They don't appreciate what they have. It cost an international student 11k to do a short course that cost a local zero. The international student cleans toilets to afford study and living costs while the local lives off social security and sleeps all day.
     
    Jorje

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    Those benefits won't make up for all the expenses you'll have to make to raise the kid properly. Unless you're cashing in the money and then sending your kids to derelict public schools, feeding them junk food, and making them wear the same dirty clothes 4 days in a row. But really, who does that voluntarily?
    You get free education and healthcare, so most of the hefty expenses are already covered. Public education is top notch in Canada and Germany. Unemloyment benefits + money for children which as I was told amounts for $400 per month for each child + whatever other ways you can find to cheat the system get you a decent living salary from the government - almost like a job. Of course the kids will take a hit sooner or later and are unlikely to have the same sort of life of their peers. Obviosuly this wouldn't work very well in the US.
     
    Chanklish

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    This is hilarious ... The only way to solve an abomination is to create a fake abomination in another country ... Sad very sunni sad
     
    Jorje

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    This is hilarious ... The only way to solve an abomination is to create a fake abomination in another country ... Sad very sunni sad
    Shanklish, maybe the Lebanese who do these sort of things are Sunni. :D

    rte7.
     
    kmarthe

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    They already exist but the desire for change is not there. The government invests in free education and skills programs, career support, community support, activities and events, counselling and everything you can think of. The problem isn't in the lack of what allows for change but for the desire to change/improve. They like to lie and rob and give us a bad name. We can't make them better people.
    I understand that there are many social programs that the Western governments implement to "help" the population, personally I see those programs in most of the situations an excuse that people adopt in order to stay resting at home and not to work while living at the expense of taxpayers. Still Dallouz we should do whatever we can in our community at least to push some to work and study. We should try to make them better :) I often emphasize the work with future generations, if the father/mother is too lazy to work, at least engage the children in some promising avenue.
     
    Dalzi

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    I understand that there are many social programs that the Western governments implement to "help" the population, personally I see those programs in most of the situations an excuse that people adopt in order to stay resting at home and not to work while living at the expense of taxpayers. Still Dallouz we should do whatever we can in our community at least to push some to work and study. We should try to make them better :) I often emphasize the work with future generations, if the father/mother is too lazy to work, at least engage the children in some promising avenue.
    The children are better because they are seeing those of their generation pursuing education and there's competition. They are becoming more ambitious, which is a positive thing. I believe that the future is better.

    You also have people who don't like to see others succeed and would choose to destroy rather than encourage. It's a sickness. On the other hand, there are Lebanese people who create jobs for others and support them towards their careers. They like for their community to develop. You'd wish everyone was like that.

    Nowadays the dawaesh boycott non-daeshi businessses lol They buy from Israelis and not from other Lebanese. Zbele. I envy the Lebanese in France.
     
    kmarthe

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    Nowadays the dawaesh boycott non-daeshi businessses lol They buy from Israelis and not from other Lebanese. Zbele. I envy the Lebanese in France.
    That is good news! I hope you are not missing the dawaesh :D Aslan they do not believe in Lebanon so not need to invite them to everything Lebanese!
     
    Indie

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    You get free education and healthcare, so most of the hefty expenses are already covered. Public education is top notch in Canada and Germany. Unemloyment benefits + money for children which as I was told amounts for $400 per month for each child + whatever other ways you can find to cheat the system get you a decent living salary from the government - almost like a job. Of course the kids will take a hit sooner or later and are unlikely to have the same sort of life of their peers. Obviosuly this wouldn't work very well in the US.
    I don't know if you live in Lebanon or not, but people who do tend to think that money grows on trees in the West. They don't realize that salaries in some places are low compared to living expenses and that there are taxes to pay. They just see a number and think "if I got that much money every month, I'd be so comfortable." But they're calculating based on their Lebanese situation.

    Unemployment benefits last only a few months and they cover only a percentage of your salary. You can't depend on them forever. They're intended to keep you afloat until you sort out your situation.

    As for the money you get for the kids, it doesn't come close to covering the actual expenses of raising them. And it's not true that public schools are top notch. A few of them are good, but most of them do not compare to the level of private schools. Also, both parents work, so they pay a lot of money for daycare. That 400$ (if that is in fact the amount) isn't staying in their pockets.

    Healthy food is also very expensive compared to Lebanon where you can easily buy fruits and vegetables for very cheap.

    And then you pay taxes on everything you buy, as well as a big chunk deduced from your paycheck every month. Not to mention all the other yearly / periodical taxes and fees you're obligated to pay for.

    In any case, not sure why people are so polarized on this topic. There are people everywhere who cheat the system, and that includes Lebanese in the West. There was a documentary a while ago about Lebanese who cheat to get the Canadian citizenship even though they still live in Lebanon. But for the most part, people who immigrate to the West have to work really hard to achieve a decent standard of living. Sure, there are advantages, such as free healthcare, but nothing is easily given to anyone. If you don't work hard, you can cheat the system all you want, it's not going to get you very far.

    Edit: as far as the type of Lebanese Dalzi is talking about, they exist too, but obviously, it's not everyone. If you go into lower or working class neighbourhoods, you'll see a lot of youth doing drugs and getting involved in questionable lifestyles and even crime. Those 400$ a month are not going to help much the unprivileged second-generation kids battling an identity crisis.
     
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    Frisbeetarian

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    You mean to tell me that the Syrians refugees we have here are trying to create the semblance of a normal life and PROCREATING?! THE ****ING HORROR!

    What a bunch of inhumane shits you've all become.
     
    Indie

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    You mean to tell me that the Syrians refugees we have here are trying to create the semblance of a normal life and PROCREATING?! THE ****ING HORROR!

    What a bunch of inhumane shits you've all become.
    Frisbee...why are you so grumpy lately? :)

    The way some people phrase their stances is pretty horrifying and the title of this thread is not the best way to frame the issue.

    People can have sex if they want, under tents or under the stars, and it's no one's business.

    At the same time, don't you question why refugees who can barely afford the necessities of life bring children into these difficult conditions? Especially if they already have children?

    Someone said that maybe they can't afford contraceptives, but contraceptives cost nothing compared to children. Are contraceptives not tolerated for religious reasons, maybe? Or maybe they are intent on having big families regardless of their living conditions?

    Are refugees having a lot of babies even? Or have birthrates gone down since the start of the war?

    What do you think?
     
    Nayla

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    You mean to tell me that the Syrians refugees we have here are trying to create the semblance of a normal life and PROCREATING?! THE ****ING HORROR!

    What a bunch of inhumane shits you've all become.
    3an jadd ennak salbe enta.
    enno, when they have 10 kids w kellon 3am yesh7ado 3al ter2at w 3am yemrado, w 3am yet3allamo yeser2o w yenesbo, you find it normal enta?
    tabi3e enta?
    la2, w lately, one of these women who already have more than 4 kids was asking my pregnant friend how did she do to have a boy, bedda yeha t3allema :p
    eh rou7o, 7ej ba2a fake humanity w 7ake bala ta3me, yelli byesma3kon bifakkerkon saints LoL
     
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    la2, w lately, one of these women who already have more than 4 kids was asking my pregnant friend how did she do to have a boy, bedda yeha t3allema :p
    3allameta ma 3layna? :p
     
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